VVolf Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Any thoughts on the new laser vindicator? Reminds me abit of the psyfleman with a potential 3 s9 TL ordnance shots a turn for 130. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/DEIMOS_VINDICATOR_LASER_DESTROYER.html Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306611-new-toys/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Are Grey Knights a Space Marine Faction Codex? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306611-new-toys/#findComment-4018888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VVolf Posted April 24, 2015 Author Share Posted April 24, 2015 Unless i've missed something... is there a 'space marine' faction? I thought it was imperiun? Plus space wolves aren't mentioned also. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306611-new-toys/#findComment-4018893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Are Grey Knights a Space Marine Faction Codex? Nope. This is (like the majority of FW Marine releases) not for us. Also, unlike the quslity rules state, Dark and Blood Angels *are not* of the Space Marine Faction either. /sigh Left hand versus Right hand. Edit: A units Faction is the name of the Codex the unit is purchased from. Space Wolves are Faction: Space Wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306611-new-toys/#findComment-4018895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 I suppose the real question is, what is covered by "etc". Just Space Wolves? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306611-new-toys/#findComment-4018896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Shouldn't be any of them, if you go by RAW. If it's 'Armies of the Imperium' instead, then it's all of us. And IG and Sisters. And Imperial Knights. Edit: And Assissins, Inquisition and Legion of the Damned. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306611-new-toys/#findComment-4018904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VVolf Posted April 24, 2015 Author Share Posted April 24, 2015 Emailed Forgeworld asking. Also asked about space wolves for clarity. "Hi Sorry to trouble you. I saw todays releases by email and feverishly checked out the Laser Vindicator on your site. I noticed in the rules it says it can be used by forces from the space marine faction including 'blood angels, dark angels, etc.' - to my knowledge there isn't a group encompassing these codicies apart from the armies if the imperium faction. The reason I ask is that I would love to add this unit to my Grey Knight and Space Wolf armies but I play in tournaments and need to verify if it is legal incase i'm challenged. Is there a published list of what codicies are in the 'space marine faction' or could you pleasd clarify them for me? Thanks for your time" EDIT: just read it back again and saw the spelling mistakes... nnnnooooooooooo! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306611-new-toys/#findComment-4018950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 It's for normal Marines. BA get Fast Vindicators, DA get...nothing, and SW don't use Vindicators lol. As for us, we don't even have Vindicators normally at all, so there is no way it's for us. You don't need to email them to know that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306611-new-toys/#findComment-4018965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Read the playtest rules mate. FW have offered this to any army from Faction Space Marines, which according to them include Dark Angles, Blood Angles and etc. RAW, they are utterly wrong. RAI, who knows who get this. lol. A Deimos Pattern Vindicator Tank Destroyer may be taken as a Heavy Support choice for any Space Marines Faction Codex (including Dark Angels, Blood Angels, etc,.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306611-new-toys/#findComment-4018988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 It makes zero sense though, and would break trend even for them. We don't have Vindicators to begin with, why would we magically get access? It's different with the Xipon, they specifically mention us and all other Marines by name. Sounds like an oversight on their part. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306611-new-toys/#findComment-4019055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 It makes zero sense though That's the point. It's incorrect by RAW and makes little RAI. ;) But playtest. Hopefully they will tighten up the actual rules (and deny us access, as usual!). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306611-new-toys/#findComment-4019080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VVolf Posted April 24, 2015 Author Share Posted April 24, 2015 I know they'll likely say we can't use it but it highlights a rule discrepancy on their part and if they do decide to state we can then its a win :). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306611-new-toys/#findComment-4019092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 There's a small problem for Armies that don't have Vindicators in thier Codexes though, the unit entry states they can take any upgrade from the Parent Codexes vehicle upgrade lists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306611-new-toys/#findComment-4019102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 There's a small problem for Armies that don't have Vindicators in thier Codexes though, the unit entry states they can take any upgrade from the Parent Codexes vehicle upgrade lists. Having a Vindicator entry or not is irrelevant. Have you not got a Vehicle Upgrade list? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306611-new-toys/#findComment-4019118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Vindicator with Psybolt ammo! Go Go! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306611-new-toys/#findComment-4019132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Vindicator with Psybolt ammo! Go Go! Not following. Your options are dozer blade, storm bolter, extra armour and hunter-killer missile. Must you be so obtuse all the time? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306611-new-toys/#findComment-4019135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Not being obtuse at all. Just don't have books to hand at work to see which 'Marine' Codexes without native Vindicators might have Vehicle Upgrade issues is allowed to put *any* Vehicle Upgrade onto a Vindicator. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306611-new-toys/#findComment-4019222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurik the blessed Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Vindicator with Psybolt ammo! Go Go! Don't be obscene!! hahaha Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306611-new-toys/#findComment-4019231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Grey Knights are a "Space Marine Faction", as seen from Perfered Enemy (Space Marines) can be used on Grey Knights due to their designation as Space Marines under their army special rules. Not that I would waste a Heavy slot on a non-NDK. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306611-new-toys/#findComment-4019248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Grey Knights are a "Space Marine Faction", as seen from Perfered Enemy (Space Marines) can be used on Grey Knights due to their designation as Space Marines under their army special rules. Not that I would waste a Heavy slot on a non-NDK. SJ Actually I thought of this too but didn't say anything, but immediately I thought of the Preferred Enemy space marines umbrella which we are lumped under. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306611-new-toys/#findComment-4019251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 When Forge World adds a new Marine unit to the game, and say it can be used by specific Marine armies, GK need to be mentioned or they cannot use it. However, when FW says the new Unut can be used by any Marine army, GK can use it. Because GK are Marines, but they aren't regular Marines. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306611-new-toys/#findComment-4019267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aethernitas Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 It still bothers me that every SM army get's a myriad of FW toys from way back in the Heresy era to play with but GKs get a Thunderhawk and a slightly modified version of a Land Raider (everything else has no functional rules ignoring the ITC dreadnought). I understand that GKs are extremely specialized but wouldn't it make sense to modify some chassis like they did with the Thunderhawk to aid their fight against Chaos and Daemons? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306611-new-toys/#findComment-4019281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 It still bothers me that every SM army get's a myriad of FW toys from way back in the Heresy era to play with but GKs get a Thunderhawk and a slightly modified version of a Land Raider (everything else has no functional rules ignoring the ITC dreadnought). I understand that GKs are extremely specialized but wouldn't it make sense to modify some chassis like they did with the Thunderhawk to aid their fight against Chaos and Daemons? Especially since the Chapter was created during the Heresy and includes a membership, and war host designed around that time frame. Also didn't Malcador psychically grunt and push a forgeworld moon all the way from Mars to Titan during this time frame? Would there not be STC's on such a planet? The numbers may be limited, but aside from 'rarity' which is already established with Relic rules, I don't think it should be off limits to any loyal Astartes!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306611-new-toys/#findComment-4019299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Codex: Legion of the Damned is a Space Marine army as well. Yet it cannot legally use this Vindicator in a Battle-forged list. Being effected by PE: Space Marines is different from being part of Faction: Space Marines, which specifically applies to a single Codex. Perhaps it's time for GW to actually have an accurate Glossary, and for both GW and FW to stick to specific terms. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306611-new-toys/#findComment-4019333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 The way I read this from the PDF: Marines Faction Codex (including Dark Angels, Blood Angels, etc,.) It includes Grey Knights. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306611-new-toys/#findComment-4019341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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