Fangbanger Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 So after some tweaking and forum searching etc.. I decided I want to have a full hersey army up and running before a 30k tourney in August. Here is the list I have come up with. I would really like some feedback on strengths and weaknesses. Not aiming for a super competative but want to have fun playing. And hey, we all like to win... +++ Firestorm 5 (2250pts) +++ ++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) ++ + HQ + Khârn the Bloody [Legacy of Blood] Master of the Legion [beserker Assault] + Troops + Legion Tactical Squad [Exchange their Bolters for a Chainsword or Combat Blade, 19x Legion Tactical Space Marines] Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs] Legion Tactical Squad [19x Legion Tactical Space Marines] Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour] Legion Tactical Support Squad [9x Legion Space Marines, Volkite Calivers] Legion Sergeant [Artificer Armour] + Elites + Apothecarion Detachment Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour] Apothecarion Detachment Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour] The Red Butchers [4x Butcher Terminator] Legion Spartan Assault Tank [Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive, Flare Shield] The Devoured [Pair of Lightning Claws] + Heavy Support + Legion Fire Raptor Gunship [Reaper Autocannon battery] Legion Spartan Assault Tank [Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive, Flare Shield] ------------------- Big blobs of bodies...... Check Anti av......... Check Anti air......... Check Anti infantry....... Check Butchers, well, because........check All going nutty and bezerker......check check! What are your thoughts guys? Want to get rolling on this ASAP as time for painting is at the essence! (Plus all those points for ETL!) Edit: broke and girlfriend leaves me.....check Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306696-world-eaters-2250-final-list-now-with-added-tactics/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
infyrana Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I believe the support squad serg now gets to have a special weapon as per the rest of the squad, do check. Any thoughts to a power axe or fist on your tactical sergeants? Two Spartans and a host of troops... Let's hope your last edit comment isn't true! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306696-world-eaters-2250-final-list-now-with-added-tactics/#findComment-4020747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted April 26, 2015 Author Share Posted April 26, 2015 I would like too tool up the Sargents however it means taking points from elsewhere (such as Spartans, raptor etc..). Or taking smaller squads which we know, is not what 30k is about! What are volatile Cavaliers like? I figure they are good as they have 30 inch range and can cover mid field along with the bolter Tac squad? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306696-world-eaters-2250-final-list-now-with-added-tactics/#findComment-4020939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nookie Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 After looking over quite a few lists now, and looking at the rules, the only thing I question is, why the support squad? I mean between the two spartans, and the fire raptor you do have a lot of anti tank and vehicle. Plus then they are not really taking advantage of the close combat attributes as much... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306696-world-eaters-2250-final-list-now-with-added-tactics/#findComment-4020943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted April 26, 2015 Author Share Posted April 26, 2015 Well I need 3 troops to take 3 vehicles. I figure a close combat squad foot slogging would be less effective. Could add in another Tac squad instead? But I kind of like the idea of a support squad to add another dynamic. Also the fire raptor will be mainly anti troop and the Spartans are only putting out 4 shots each per turn (I know it should be enough to do damage to vehicles, but you never know!) Edit: can only have same number of vehicles as troops for berserker right Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306696-world-eaters-2250-final-list-now-with-added-tactics/#findComment-4020951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nookie Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 My main suggestion would at least be to make both the tactical squads close combat weapons and chainaxes to capitalize on the close combat, if you keep the support squad. But between two tanks firing an a fire raptor theyre gonna draw so much attention that your ground troops should be able to make it to combat and that is where they are strongest. But if you have three close combat squads moving up the field at the same time it provides a serious threat if they focus all their attention on big tanks and ignore the infantry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306696-world-eaters-2250-final-list-now-with-added-tactics/#findComment-4020962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted April 26, 2015 Author Share Posted April 26, 2015 What about dropping an apothecary to make the squad true grit? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306696-world-eaters-2250-final-list-now-with-added-tactics/#findComment-4020965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nookie Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I wouldnt ever get rid of feel no pain, its too good Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306696-world-eaters-2250-final-list-now-with-added-tactics/#findComment-4021004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted April 26, 2015 Author Share Posted April 26, 2015 It's food for thought....the Tac squad being close combat or bolters. I just feel if it's slogging, having those bolter shots can be helpful. Also it will still get bonuses for combat, they will just get less attacks is all. But with the support squad, I guess I need them less as shooters... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306696-world-eaters-2250-final-list-now-with-added-tactics/#findComment-4021006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twizted86 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 If you are taking the Berzerker assault rite of war, you need 3 compulsory troops, so the support squad doesn't meet yiur requirements. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306696-world-eaters-2250-final-list-now-with-added-tactics/#findComment-4021255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share Posted April 27, 2015 How does it not? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306696-world-eaters-2250-final-list-now-with-added-tactics/#findComment-4021306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOneMarshal Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 How does it not?The support squad has a special rule called support squad which disallows it from being a compulsry choice. Personally I would take away the support squad, you've got heavy weapons on the vehicles. Instead I would opt for another 20 man tactical squad. Your playing an assualt army which means you will get shot... A lot. You'll need bodies and some form of protection. The apothecaries help with that due to fnp. These guys should stay because trust me as a BA player I know how nice fnp is. I would not recommend you get bolters on your tactical squad because it's better you keep them cheap and try to get more bodies. I would try to get chainaxes especially IG you play 40k vs 30k or against solar auxilia a lot.I like this list a lot, it seems to be a fun list. Let us know how it works out for you! Edit: who are you putting in the heavy support spartan? One of the tactical squads? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306696-world-eaters-2250-final-list-now-with-added-tactics/#findComment-4021311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share Posted April 27, 2015 Funnily enough I have this up on the 30k forums website and the same has been said! Another blob it is, all with axes it seems...! So 1 spartan takes the butchers The other takes a Tac squad Khârn rides with one if them. I guess the 2 apoc should go with the 2 foot sloggers then rather than with the one in the spartan? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306696-world-eaters-2250-final-list-now-with-added-tactics/#findComment-4021432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nookie Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Here is the list I finally settled on for 2000pts after a lot of debate with my friends, and firing ideas of the helpful people in these forums, thought it might help you with some ideas on a fluffy, potentially competative-ish list! The one thing I definitely wanted to fit in was a Fire Raptor, which in your higher point value might just be able to be added into a list like this! __________________________________________________ +++World Eater Traitor 2000pts +++ (Doom of the World Eaters legion) (Berserker Assault) Khârn (190) - Gorechild 5 Red Butchers (285) - 1 Chainfist 3 Despoiler Squad (20 men) (275) x3 - power axe, armor, and melta bomb 3 Apothacary (165) - Art Arm Spartan Assault tank (320) - Flare Shield Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought (220) - Aiolos missile launcher 2005 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306696-world-eaters-2250-final-list-now-with-added-tactics/#findComment-4022054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share Posted April 27, 2015 I like the list dude but not really a fan of the deredeo at all. Fire raptor instead for the win..! And I will try and shoe horn another Spartan in as one is too much of a target. I think though I might ditch the whole list in favour for a pride if the legion. Still keep double Spartan and fire raptor but it would save me so much on time and cash to chuck angron in and run termies (red butchers) and then build on it with large Tac blobs over time. I really fancy this tourney, but don't want to rush paint jobs... Hmmm..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306696-world-eaters-2250-final-list-now-with-added-tactics/#findComment-4022100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nookie Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Definitely hear you on that one, not a bad way to get into the thick of the game as fast as possible. Only issue I could see is that Angron's transport will get shot to hell long before I could imagine his tank and troops really reaching valued enemies. Like i'd note his spartan immediately and aim everything at it, then bogg it down, cause at this point level Angron eats up a hefty chunk of points with the termi support and the spartan Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306696-world-eaters-2250-final-list-now-with-added-tactics/#findComment-4022115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share Posted April 27, 2015 Yeah like 1000 points....! I defo think you are right about that. The other Spartan would have khârn and a 20 man unit in Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306696-world-eaters-2250-final-list-now-with-added-tactics/#findComment-4022158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share Posted April 27, 2015 Ok so maybe this armoured assult as an alternative...? +++ (2250pts) +++ ++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) ++ + HQ + Khârn the Bloody [Legacy of Blood] Master of the Legion [Pride of the Legion] + Troops + Legion Tactical Squad [Exchange their Bolters for a Chainsword or Combat Blade, 19x Legion Tactical Space Marines] Legion Tactical Sergeant [Melta Bombs] The Red Butchers [4x Butcher Terminator, 4x Second Power Axe] Legion Spartan Assault Tank [Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive, Flare Shield] The Red Butchers [4x Butcher Terminator, 4x Second Power Axe] Land Raider Phobos [Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive, Extra Armour] The Devoured [second Power Axe] + Elites + Apothecarion Detachment Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour] + Heavy Support + Legion Fire Raptor Gunship [Reaper Autocannon battery] Legion Spartan Assault Tank [Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive, Flare Shield] + Legion + Legion Astartes [XII: World Eaters] Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306696-world-eaters-2250-final-list-now-with-added-tactics/#findComment-4022182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
infyrana Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I want your berserker assault list to work :D ...are the Red Butcher squads acceptable as "Terminator" compulsory troops under Pride of the Legion ? I know it's mentioned in the FAQ that Deathshroud / Justi aren't, but I haven't read the butcher rules to check if they're specifically allowed. Had you thought about using reduced squad sizes in the previous lists to fit in the 3x troops, Khârn, Apoths, Spartans and your Raptor - for now ignoring the Red Butchers ? Or are you in preference to using the Termis to reduce models / cost over points etc? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306696-world-eaters-2250-final-list-now-with-added-tactics/#findComment-4022261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Yes, Under PoTL, Legion Specific Terminators that would normally occupy an Elites Slot (thereby Barring Grave Wardens from eligibility) can be taken as troops. So if you want a pure CC Killfest WE list and have lots of Spare $$ for Land Raiders Galore and Terminators, you could pull this off. Especially since, under the right circumstances, Red Butchers can have up to ~5 Attacks Each on the Charge. 10 Man unit in a Spartan? Thats Mean. Not to mention the Sarge can have Dual Chain Fists for any Vehicular Slaughter Needs. It will cost bucket loads more points (per squad) but is nigh-guaranteed to shred anything they charge into. Add TDA Chaplains (beyond the Singular Compulsory 'Master of the Legion' Choice (who could be Angron, tbh)) for re-rolls on the Charge for extra teeth-knocked-out-by-kicking goodness. Only thing left to shore up such a literal berserker force would be shooty elements. Since Spartans and/or other Land Raiders wont be hogging up your HS Slots due to being Dedicateds for the Red-Troop-Butchers, you could fill this slot in with Fire Raptors (for more Dakka!) and have Jetbikes (because they're damn cool and can serve a purpose in such a list, I feel) in FA and/or Grav Rapiers / Contemptors (mostly since they're cooler than box dreads) in Elites to deal with Transport Popping and, in the case of Grav Rapiers, slowing down the potential Prey. How much of this could fit into 2250 points, however, is a good question. At most, 2 10 Man Red Butchers in Spartans, 1 TDA Preator with some Gear, 1 TDA Chaplain with some gear and 1 Fire Raptor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306696-world-eaters-2250-final-list-now-with-added-tactics/#findComment-4022291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 Yeah the idea with the second list was to reduce cost but the bezerker assult will be done for sure! Just not right now. What are thoughts on running the 2 red butcher squads as one unit and using the land raider points for some kind of sicaran to take down armour? The only problem I fear is that with just 2 units charging up in Spartans it gives me less flexability. However a backfield unit could be good for helping them get there.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306696-world-eaters-2250-final-list-now-with-added-tactics/#findComment-4022441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I feel that the Points limit isnt High enough and only having 2 Infantry squads at 2250 is pretty deplorable :P You'd probably be better served by 2 5man Butcher Squads in Phobos' (~1130 total, Sarges with Dual Chainfists), 2 Fire Raptors (420 total) and using the remaining 530 on some form of Fire Support units and/or Scoring Bodies. The above would mean Khârn not joining the Butchers though; but thats not such a big deal in the long run. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306696-world-eaters-2250-final-list-now-with-added-tactics/#findComment-4022457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 Khârn would go in the blob squad in the Spartan anyway if I ran my second list. I feel your suggestions will put me at the same cost (£) as my first bezerker list so not really what I am looking for. I do however, agree 2 troop units at that points level is a wee bit naughty! I like the idea of the 2 butchers in Phobos charging up while units around are just shooting :cuss up with fire raptors zooming overhead....2 would be filthy! Let me crunch some numbers ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306696-world-eaters-2250-final-list-now-with-added-tactics/#findComment-4022526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 Right so 3 do-able POTL assult list (one has already been listed but added it here aswell to keep it all together) List1 +++ (2250pts) +++ ++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) ++ + HQ + Khârn the Bloody [Legacy of Blood] Master of the Legion [Pride of the Legion] + Troops + Legion Tactical Squad [Exchange their Bolters for a Chainsword or Combat Blade, 19x Legion Tactical Space Marines] Legion Tactical Sergeant [Melta Bombs] The Red Butchers [4x Butcher Terminator, 4x Second Power Axe] Legion Spartan Assault Tank [Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive, Flare Shield] The Red Butchers [4x Butcher Terminator, 4x Second Power Axe] Land Raider Phobos [Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive, Extra Armour] The Devoured [second Power Axe] + Elites + Apothecarion Detachment Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour] + Heavy Support + Legion Fire Raptor Gunship [Reaper Autocannon battery] Legion Spartan Assault Tank [Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive, Flare Shield] List 2 +++ Firestorm 2 x phobos red, 2 x 20 Tac (2250pts) +++ ++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) ++ + HQ + Khârn the Bloody [Legacy of Blood] Master of the Legion [Pride of the Legion] + Troops + Legion Tactical Squad [19x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Take an additional Chainsword or Combat Blade] Legion Tactical Sergeant [Melta Bombs] Legion Tactical Squad [19x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Take an additional Chainsword or Combat Blade] Legion Tactical Sergeant [Melta Bombs] The Red Butchers [4x Butcher Terminator, 4x Second Power Axe] Land Raider Phobos [Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive] The Devoured [2x Chainfist, Second Power Axe] The Red Butchers [4x Butcher Terminator, 4x Second Power Axe] Land Raider Phobos [Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive] The Devoured [2x Chainfist, Second Power Axe] + Elites + Apothecarion Detachment Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour] Apothecarion Detachment Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour] + Heavy Support + Legion Fire Raptor Gunship [Reaper Autocannon battery] + Legion + And finally list 3 +++ Firestorm Phobos and Spartan (2250pts) +++ ++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) ++ + HQ + Khârn the Bloody [Legacy of Blood] Master of the Legion [Pride of the Legion] + Troops + Legion Tactical Squad [Exchange their Bolters for a Chainsword or Combat Blade, 19x Legion Tactical Space Marines] Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Power Fist] The Red Butchers [4x Butcher Terminator, 4x Second Power Axe] Land Raider Phobos [Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive, Extra Armour] The Devoured [2x Chainfist, Second Power Axe] The Red Butchers [4x Butcher Terminator, 4x Second Power Axe] Land Raider Phobos [Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive, Extra Armour] The Devoured [2x Chainfist, Second Power Axe] + Elites + Apothecarion Detachment Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour] + Heavy Support + Legion Fire Raptor Gunship [Reaper Autocannon battery] Legion Spartan Assault Tank [Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive, Flare Shield] So yeah 3 similar list! 1st gives me 2 Spartans 1 land raider and less upgrades on squads 2nd gives me more troops but less armour 3rd gives me 1 Spartan 2 land raiders but more upgrades on squads I like them all, they are all around the same price and all offer me what I am after but which one would you guys recommend? Thanks for all the help so far, you guys have been great! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306696-world-eaters-2250-final-list-now-with-added-tactics/#findComment-4022553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 And then 2 for firepower fun! 2 x raptors +++ Firestorm 2 raptors (2250pts) +++ ++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) ++ + HQ + Khârn the Bloody [Legacy of Blood] Master of the Legion [Pride of the Legion] + Troops + Legion Tactical Squad [Exchange their Bolters for a Chainsword or Combat Blade, 19x Legion Tactical Space Marines] Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour] The Red Butchers [4x Butcher Terminator, 4x Second Power Axe] Land Raider Phobos [Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive] The Devoured [2x Chainfist, Second Power Axe] The Red Butchers [4x Butcher Terminator, 4x Second Power Axe] Land Raider Phobos [Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive] The Devoured [2x Chainfist, Second Power Axe] + Elites + Apothecarion Detachment Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour] + Heavy Support + Legion Fire Raptor Gunship [Reaper Autocannon battery] Legion Fire Raptor Gunship [Reaper Autocannon battery] Legion Sicarian Battle Tank [Lascannons] annnnnnnnnnd....a venator! +++ Firestorm venator (2245pts) +++ ++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) ++ + HQ + Khârn the Bloody [Legacy of Blood] Master of the Legion [Pride of the Legion] + Troops + Legion Tactical Squad [Exchange their Bolters for a Chainsword or Combat Blade, 19x Legion Tactical Space Marines] Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour] The Red Butchers [4x Butcher Terminator, 4x Second Power Axe] Land Raider Phobos [Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive] The Devoured [2x Chainfist, Second Power Axe] The Red Butchers [4x Butcher Terminator, 4x Second Power Axe] Land Raider Phobos [Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive] The Devoured [2x Chainfist, Second Power Axe] + Elites + Apothecarion Detachment Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour] Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Legion Rapier Weapons Battery, Legion Rapier Weapons Battery, Legion Rapier Weapons Battery] + Heavy Support + Legion Fire Raptor Gunship [Reaper Autocannon battery] Sicarian Venator Tank Destroyer [Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive, Lascannons] These are ones that obviously focus around a bit more shooty backup to the raiders and Tac squad charging forward. However the blob squad and Khârn are out in the open... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306696-world-eaters-2250-final-list-now-with-added-tactics/#findComment-4022572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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