paz Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 ::UPDATE BOTTOM OF PAGE:: It's small, it's fun, but do you guys think it'll actually do anything? +++ Assassin cell (997pts) +++ ++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) ++ + HQ + Legion Centurion [Artificer Armour, Combi-Weapon, Power Dagger, Power Fist, Refractor Field, Venom Spheres] Consul Delegatus Master of the Legion [Pride of the Legion] Legion Centurion [Artificer Armour, Bolter with only Banestrike Rounds, Charnabal Sabre, Jump Pack, Melta Bombs, Venom Spheres, Warp Shunt Field] Consul [saboteur] + Troops + Legion Veteran Tactical Squad [4x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Melta Gun, Nuncio-Vox, Sniper] Legion Veteran Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Combi-weapon, Lightning Claw, Power Dagger] Legion Veteran Tactical Squad [banestrike Bolter Shells, Fearless, Heavy Bolter and Suspensor Web, 4x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Legion Vexilla] Legion Veteran Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Power Dagger, Power Fist] + Elites + Apothecarion Detachment Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour, Power Dagger, Volkite Charger] Contemptor Dreadnought Talon Legion Contemptor Dreadnought [Extra Armour, Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon, Plasma Blaster] + Legion + Legion Astartes [XX: Alpha Legion] Created with BattleScribe (http://www.battlescribe.net) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306777-~pazs-alpha-legion-lists-now-1600-fixedz/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Not sure what Pride of the Legion brings that Chosen Duty doesn't do better here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306777-~pazs-alpha-legion-lists-now-1600-fixedz/#findComment-4029084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Not sure what Pride of the Legion brings that Chosen Duty doesn't do better here. Yeah, I agree. Chosen Duty might even be a better choice since only the Delegatus Dying gives up a point instead of each Vet Squad iirc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306777-~pazs-alpha-legion-lists-now-1600-fixedz/#findComment-4029159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vastopol Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Hi there, love this list and think visually it could look impressive, Im tempted to build this for friends to use in games of horus heresy, even gone as far as to work out the costs using MKIV armour Vastopol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306777-~pazs-alpha-legion-lists-now-1600-fixedz/#findComment-4035258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastelAvenger Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Right so your Saboteur has a jump pack and venom spheres? There is no point in the spheres at all. Give him a power axe a Charnabal Sabre is garbage. I think the Warp Shunt Field is a bit much for what is supposed to be a disposable character. Take Sniper on the Vet Tacticals and Heavy Bolters this way they can take down Monstorous Creatures by sheer weight of fire, with a 4+ to wound and a possibility of rending it's a amazing. Get rid of the Lightning Claw on the Sargeant and change it to a power fist. The Power Dagger is pretty pointless on the Apothecary a Power Sword would suit him better. Take the Augary Scanner too it's absolutely a must have. The Vox is pointless and the extra armour on the dreadnought isn't going to do much good either. One thing this list is lacking is transport. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306777-~pazs-alpha-legion-lists-now-1600-fixedz/#findComment-4040052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triacom Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 I have to agree with PastelAvenger, but I'll explain it a bit more diplomatically: The reason Venom Spheres aren't useful here is because they confer Hammer of Wrath, if you use the Jump Pack to get into combat then the Jump Pack already does that, making them redundant. You don't want Charnabal Sabre's. They're pretty bad overall even with the +1 Initiative boost because you're likely to get 1 unsaved rending wound (remember, there's plenty of invulnerable saves here) at most, then you're turned to paste by the opponents Power Fist/Thunder Hammer. While Lightning Claws are good you don't want anything less than AP2 weapons on Sergeants and Praetors unless you have somebody else to take the inevitable challenge for them. They're going to be challenged often by other characters wearing Artificer or Terminator Armour, so if you have a power fist then not only do you wound easier but you negate any Feel No Pain from opposing Apothecary's. Power Dagger's are absolutely pointless on their own, the purpose of them is to get an extra attack with another Specialist Weapon, otherwise you're far better off with a Power Sword for the Apothecary since he's not likely to be locked in a challenge and so can use it to mince 3+ armour. I do disagree that the Augary Scanner is a must have at 1000 points though, higher than that sure, but here it's not going to help too much unless you're up against somebody who can pull off crazy tricks that you need it to stop (Alpha Legion, Raven Guard, Death Guard). You want a Vox for deepstriking, and it doesn't look like you're going to be deepstriking anything (and by this setup I really don't think you'd want to either) and extra armour is almost never worth it on a Dreadnought, normally you'd only want it on transports to help move troops around and Dreadnoughts don't have that issue. Finally you're footslogging it, Rhino's are very cheap so there shouldn't be a problem getting some even at this points level (you never want only one Rhino though). If you're opponent has Bikes, Jetbikes or their own Transports they'll encircle you and take the majority of objectives. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306777-~pazs-alpha-legion-lists-now-1600-fixedz/#findComment-4040271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastelAvenger Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Sorry if my reply was a it curt, I wreally shouldn't answer stuff when I'm tired. No offence was intended :-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306777-~pazs-alpha-legion-lists-now-1600-fixedz/#findComment-4041769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
paz Posted May 20, 2015 Author Share Posted May 20, 2015 Jump pack and venom spheres- d'oh! Didnt think about that one. I'll also look into switching out the charnarble sabre for an axe or some such. pastelavenger- no offense taken brother, Age of darkness is pretty new to me, so all the help is appreciated! I plan to run Dynat instead of a praetor, take out the nuncios, and change up the power daggers to match better. I do plan on having the lightning claw/powerknife sarg with dynat, and since he'll be taking the challenges, the sarge can churn up some power armor boys? or is that dumb... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306777-~pazs-alpha-legion-lists-now-1600-fixedz/#findComment-4051558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
paz Posted May 24, 2015 Author Share Posted May 24, 2015 Back with another list, this time at 1600 pts. Fixed up some problems in the list you guys pointed out. I left venom spheres on the jump sabatuer, mainly because that way he still gets HoW even after moving 12. I rarely get close enough to a unit to use the jump for assault. +++ The harrowing (1599pts) +++ ++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) ++ + HQ + Armillus Dynat Master of the Legion [Pride of the Legion] Legion Centurion [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Chainfist, Power Dagger, Volkite Charger] Consul [Primus Medicae] Legion Centurion [Artificer Armour, Bolter with only Banestrike Rounds, Jump Pack, Power Weapon, Refractor Field, Venom Spheres] Consul [saboteur] + Troops + Legion Veteran Tactical Squad [Heavy Bolter and Suspensor Web, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Melta Gun, Sniper] Legion Veteran Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Combi-weapon, Lightning Claw, Power Dagger] Legion Veteran Tactical Squad [Heavy Bolter and Suspensor Web, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Melta Gun, Sniper] Legion Veteran Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Combi-weapon, Power Dagger, Power Fist] Lernaen Terminator Squad [4x Lernean Terminator, 4x Power Fist] Harrower [Chainfist, Master-crafted weapon, Venom Sphere Harness] + Elites + Apothecarion Detachment Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour, Augury Scanner, Power Sword] Contemptor Dreadnought Talon Legion Contemptor Dreadnought [Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon with inbuilt twin-linked Bolter, Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon, Plasma Blaster] + Legion + Legion Astartes [XX: Alpha Legion] Created with BattleScribe (http://www.battlescribe.net) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306777-~pazs-alpha-legion-lists-now-1600-fixedz/#findComment-4056387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastelAvenger Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Hey mate the list is definitely getting there however I would make the vets either have 2 heavy Bolters or 2 Meltaguns mixing special weapons doesn't really work due to the difference in ranges. Also sniper doesn't really benefit Meltaguns at all so it's pretty wasted on them. I would probably change the plasma blaster for a Graviton Gun so you can threaten armour a bit more as well as troops and with the 5pts saved pick up a Powerfist on the Vet Sargeant. My only real concern is the dreadnought being left behind by the rest of the army (I'm assuming you're taking infiltrate as you haven't mentioned your mutable tactics) and being picked off by outflankers/deep strikers. Main thing is though get some games and let us know how you've done! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306777-~pazs-alpha-legion-lists-now-1600-fixedz/#findComment-4061997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
v6v77 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 In my own limited experience. Too many HQs and not enough bodies on the table. Pride is great but your going to feel every unit lost. Maybe some tracked armour. Sicaran is points wise cheap and can be devastating. Whirlwind scorpius will mince power armour blobs with s8 ap3. Just my two cents. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306777-~pazs-alpha-legion-lists-now-1600-fixedz/#findComment-4062167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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