GrandMagnus Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 A few questions about the scouring Im throwing your way: - Was the Iron Cage during or after the scouring? - Were the legions divided into chapters after the scouring or during? As far as I see it the scouring would be too active for all the administrative work necesary, right? - Most fluffy suits of armour I suppose would be MK IV, V, VI and VII, with the odd suit of MK II / III? So far, thats all the questions I have, I might have a another one later but I cant remember it :rolleyes: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306805-the-scouring/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 1. During. 2. During. 3. 3-6 primarily with increasing numbers of 7 and a dash of 2. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306805-the-scouring/#findComment-4023066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 1. During. 2. During. 3. 3-6 primarily with increasing numbers of 7 and a dash of 2. I would guess MK II and III would be on equal footing considering MK III is just an upgrade of MK II. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306805-the-scouring/#findComment-4023095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DimDim Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I wouldn't say they are on the same footing, as there is one HUGE issue with mk2 plate during and after the heresy. It isn't void hardened or capable of shrugging off bolter shots. Therefore I would assume they would atleqst try to up armour there mk2 into 3 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306805-the-scouring/#findComment-4023146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 I wouldn't say they are on the same footing, as there is one HUGE issue with mk2 plate during and after the heresy. It isn't void hardened or capable of shrugging off bolter shots. Therefore I would assume they would atleqst try to up armour there mk2 into 3 Out of pure curiosity where did you find the info about MK II not being void hardened? I believe I recall reading that the mechanicum made it void hardened post unification of Terra and Luna. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306805-the-scouring/#findComment-4023178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DimDim Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I wouldn't say they are on the same footing, as there is one HUGE issue with mk2 plate during and after the heresy. It isn't void hardened or capable of shrugging off bolter shots. Therefore I would assume they would atleqst try to up armour there mk2 into 3 Out of pure curiosity where did you find the info about MK II not being void hardened? I believe I recall reading that the mechanicum made it void hardened post unification of Terra and Luna. Im pretty sure I read it somewhere in shadows of treachery, but I know I must have heard it somewhere because I wouldnt have come to that conclusion myself. Ill take a look through the book for you and come back with what I find. dimdim Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306805-the-scouring/#findComment-4023267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Thirst Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I believe the Iron Cage and the death of Dorn was during the Scouring In the Novella Sons of Wrath and short story Born of Rage, Guilliman splits the Legions as part of the Imperiums reform after the death of the Emperor, after which the new chapters begin the Scouring by retaking the galaxy and driving the Heretical armies back into The Eye. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306805-the-scouring/#findComment-4023527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfkry Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Dorn "dies" during the first black crusade or one of later ones. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306805-the-scouring/#findComment-4023535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I thought the second founding took place after the Scouring, as the Scouring was the immediate knee jerk response of the loyalist legions and all surviving enraged loyalist primarchs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306805-the-scouring/#findComment-4023668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Horus Heresy ends with Horus's death-014.M31 The Great Scouring, said to last 7 years, 015.M31-021.M31 Second Founding-021.M31 First Black Crusade-781.M31 And this quote from ADB: I thought that's where Dorn went down originally, but nope. Dorn dies aboard the Sword of Sacrilege in "a Black Crusade" between the First and Second (apparently not even one of Abaddon's, according to the Lore Peeps). I've got the actual date in my notes, but I'm on my iPad on my break. Early M32, I think. A couple of hundred years after the First Black Crusade, either way. (This all came from one of the meetings/documents where we had to plan out just what actual dates the primarchs all went down.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306805-the-scouring/#findComment-4023700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Ummm isn't dorn around for the beast??? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306805-the-scouring/#findComment-4023792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted April 29, 2015 Author Share Posted April 29, 2015 Okay, so: The Great Scouring, said to last 7 years, 015.M31-021.M31Second Founding-021.M31 Which means the legions where divided during the Age of Reform (or was it Reformation?), after the Great Scouring. So the legions where whole for 7 years after end of the heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306805-the-scouring/#findComment-4023812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Was Mark IV void hardend? Do we have any dates for when Corax decided to head to the eye, bring justice, and write poetry? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306805-the-scouring/#findComment-4023870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Okay, so: The Great Scouring, said to last 7 years, 015.M31-021.M31 Second Founding-021.M31 Which means the legions where divided during the Age of Reform (or was it Reformation?), after the Great Scouring. So the legions where whole for 7 years after end of the heresy. Not quite. The Legions didn't divide at the same time. The Ultramarines were divided into chapters early in the Scouring. Legions that resisted took longer. The Imperial Fists divided over the Iron Cage event, which was during the Scouring. The 2nd Founding is likely the official start to these Chapters once all Legions became compliant with Guilliman's vision, but their true existence as Chapters rather than Legions was prior and staggered. The Scouring was the crucible that saw the death of the Legions, either through reformation or banishment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306805-the-scouring/#findComment-4024145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 The Second Founding was a process over time, not an immediate thing. I imagine when someone gets to it, you'll see the legions being broken down as the Scouring progresses after the first 7 years. Only the Ultras had the manpower to divide up that like, because everyone else was so beaten up by the Heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306805-the-scouring/#findComment-4024222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted April 29, 2015 Author Share Posted April 29, 2015 I am interested in starting a scouring force, mostly to suppor the Ultramarines in the ETL, and based on the info you have all given me Im considering the following, let me know what you think: Still XIIIth legion, as in all still wear cobalt blue and Ultima symbol, but the organisation has been stripped down to codex standard (so using C:SM rather than heresy books). Armour marks IV - VI, with the odd suit of II, III and VII. A few hints of the chapter they will become (libators) in heraldic pieces and armour decoration. I was thinking about focusing the project around the Iron Cage when the Ultramarines came to help the IF against the IW, but I guess that would be later in the scouring and the chapters would be near fully formed? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306805-the-scouring/#findComment-4024511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I would recommend looking around for other similar projects for inspiration and ideas. A brother Liberite, Aquilanus, has a project that focuses on an Ultramarines Legion element on its path to becoming an independent Chapter. Its here somewhere, among others. You might also think about which future Chapter you are detailing the past of. An existing, well-explored Chapter? A Chapter with a name and nothing more? Or the best path (I'm admittedly biased), crafting a DIY? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306805-the-scouring/#findComment-4024538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted April 29, 2015 Author Share Posted April 29, 2015 I would recommend looking around for other similar projects for inspiration and ideas. A brother Liberite, Aquilanus, has a project that focuses on an Ultramarines Legion element on its path to becoming an independent Chapter. Its here somewhere, among others. You might also think about which future Chapter you are detailing the past of. An existing, well-explored Chapter? A Chapter with a name and nothing more? Or the best path (I'm admittedly biased), crafting a DIY? I will look around, see if I can find their threads. As I mentioned, I was considering the Libators because I kind of like their badge, the goblet, and yellow is a nice contrast to cobalt blue. They are also a chapter with only a colour scheme and name, so lots of place for creativity. However a DIY is tempting, but considering the 2nd founding is set in stone I dont feel entirely comfortable with that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306805-the-scouring/#findComment-4024563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I would recommend looking around for other similar projects for inspiration and ideas. A brother Liberite, Aquilanus, has a project that focuses on an Ultramarines Legion element on its path to becoming an independent Chapter. Its here somewhere, among others. You might also think about which future Chapter you are detailing the past of. An existing, well-explored Chapter? A Chapter with a name and nothing more? Or the best path (I'm admittedly biased), crafting a DIY? My own project is to expand an official Chapter that has little official background, the Inceptors. Talk about co-incidence, I was going to post a topic similar to this one! For some reason, I had it in my head that the Second Founding and the Scouring happened at the same time. However, that shouldn't be too much of a problem though - it kinda makes sense that the Second Founding occurred after the Scouring However a DIY is tempting, but considering the 2nd founding is set in stone I dont feel entirely comfortable with that. The Second Founding is as "fixed" as you want it to be. As far as I know, the whole thing about the Second Founding being out of bounds is more of a hobbyists thing than a GW thing. There's even official GW fluff stating that records about the Second Founding being incomplete if I recall (apocrypha of Davio). tl:dr - if you want a DIY Second Founding, then go for it! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306805-the-scouring/#findComment-4024594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I would recommend looking around for other similar projects for inspiration and ideas. A brother Liberite, Aquilanus, has a project that focuses on an Ultramarines Legion element on its path to becoming an independent Chapter. Its here somewhere, among others. You might also think about which future Chapter you are detailing the past of. An existing, well-explored Chapter? A Chapter with a name and nothing more? Or the best path (I'm admittedly biased), crafting a DIY? I will look around, see if I can find their threads. As I mentioned, I was considering the Libators because I kind of like their badge, the goblet, and yellow is a nice contrast to cobalt blue. They are also a chapter with only a colour scheme and name, so lots of place for creativity. However a DIY is tempting, but considering the 2nd founding is set in stone I dont feel entirely comfortable with that. The 2nd Founding is not set in stone at all. People believed that it was small based off of a couple references, but they were wrong then, and they are even more wrong now. It was an understandable misconception though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306805-the-scouring/#findComment-4024661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I would recommend looking around for other similar projects for inspiration and ideas. A brother Liberite, Aquilanus, has a project that focuses on an Ultramarines Legion element on its path to becoming an independent Chapter. Its here somewhere, among others. You might also think about which future Chapter you are detailing the past of. An existing, well-explored Chapter? A Chapter with a name and nothing more? Or the best path (I'm admittedly biased), crafting a DIY? I will look around, see if I can find their threads. As I mentioned, I was considering the Libators because I kind of like their badge, the goblet, and yellow is a nice contrast to cobalt blue. They are also a chapter with only a colour scheme and name, so lots of place for creativity. However a DIY is tempting, but considering the 2nd founding is set in stone I dont feel entirely comfortable with that. The 2nd Founding is not set in stone at all. People believed that it was small based off of a couple references, but they were wrong then, and they are even more wrong now. It was an understandable misconception though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306805-the-scouring/#findComment-4024665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armond Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 I am also/have been indulging in Great Scouring stuff. This one is mine, which I AM coming back to continue. Just hit a small snag of PCSing to Okinawa lol http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294456-the-great-scouring/ There is my little thread! It should really start to pick up during the summer, when my household goods arrive via cargo ship! Good luck with whatever direction you choose! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306805-the-scouring/#findComment-4028627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcheren Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 As a Libators enthusiast (/DIYer), I'd love to see where your protect goes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306805-the-scouring/#findComment-4040678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted May 13, 2015 Author Share Posted May 13, 2015 As a Libators enthusiast (/DIYer), I'd love to see where your protect goes. Now that the ultramarines bits from FW have come out Im definetly gonna go ahead with an early scouring force (or late shadow crusade, maybe). So Libators would most likely be my first choice because blue and yellow are a nice combination, as I will be doing Ultramarine scheme but with elements of chapter heraldry. I had another idea about using minotaurs shoulder pats for a DIY because of the great amount of details on those lovely pads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306805-the-scouring/#findComment-4041357 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcheren Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Sounds great. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306805-the-scouring/#findComment-4041841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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