A new Knight House - Choice of Heraldry

[Frater Cornelius]

As some may have realized from my overlong wedding proposals disguised as forum posts, I am moving to full-time AdMech with the release of the faction, making it my main and by extension my competitive army.

Hence I am creating Knight House and the AdMech/Skitters are the retinue. The one question remaining is the colour scheme. I am a bit stuck and I was hoping to get some inspiration.
Let me give you a basic overview of the planned conversions:

Rangers will get human legs, change in iconography, SW heads and their usual weapons to represent huntsmen and... Well.. Rangers.
Vanguard will have the body of Scions but heads of the Vanguard, giving them an incredibly knightly look. Their also get their original weapons.
Same will happen with the Dragoons. Their tasers might get a flag to make them look like those knights during the jousting matches.
Still thinking about the rest.

On the Cult side I will mix Skinwolves with Kastelan armour plates and use them as such. Basically captures and subdues beasts for combat.
The Magos will be a high ranking indiviual from the Knight House, getting some matching armour and helmet.
Rest is still in development.

That is the basic picture. Essentially a mix between Medieval/Gothic Germany, Knights of old Caliban and 40k tech.

The colour is something I can not decide on. Red, Yellow and Green (a natural green) are basically the top contenders, supported by plenty of metallic colours, mainly Gold for trims and Iron for techy parts.
However, I want to avoid making them too crazy, especially since I enjoy the occasionally darker colour and I want to adhere to the colouring guide given by the Knight Companion, so one colour must be chosen as the main colour.
The other possibility is to go for silver trims and use Red and Orange as primary colours (colours of the autumn), making it all a bit darker and juxtaposing it with a green and slightly yellow/brown base.

Thought or ideas are highly appreciated

Edited May 4, 2015 by Immersturm

[CommodusXIII]

I have some Scions with Vanguard heads waiting to be painted, if you want to see what the kitbash will look like.  I'm using them as house guard for my Titan Legio/Knight Household myself, as the style of the armor matches the Knights and the helmets match the Titans.  I'll take a WIP picture when I get home tonight.

[Frater Cornelius]

I was planning to make Vanguard like this. Flags and Tabards will show the House Colours. I hope that it would not look too sinister.

 

However, I have no idea how to apply such a style to an IK, without making him full on Silver. I am not sure I want Silver as the main colour of the House.

This is the primary dilemma now. How to paint the Knight in correspondence with the rest of the force, but without making the force too colour but instead still make them look knightly.

[WarriorFish]

Just in time for the ETL? ;) My vote is for green as the main colour, especially a natural one. It's a good medieval colour I think and a good colour in general it should go well on cloaks, robes etc to support metals. You could then use the other colours sparingly to complete the palette :)

[Frater Cornelius]

Just in time for the ETL? My vote is for green as the main colour, especially a natural one. It's a good medieval colour I think and a good colour in general it should go well on cloaks, robes etc to support metals. You could then use the other colours sparingly to complete the palette

 

Good point. On infantry, silver armour, dark clothes, red highlights (like eyes) and green tabards would probably look quite nice.

 

If the IK will get the main colour green, I will make it like this one. http://1d4chan.org/wiki/File:AwesomeDreadKnight.jpg

The areas on the Acheron are big enough for such frescoes and green lends itself fairly well for such highlighting work.

 

However, green goes better with Gold than Silver. Should I make the trims Golden, even though if the rest of the force will have predominantly Silver armour?

[CommodusXIII]

I was planning to make Vanguard like this. Flags and Tabards will show the House Colours. I hope that it would not look too sinister.

 

However, I have no idea how to apply such a style to an IK, without making him full on Silver. I am not sure I want Silver as the main colour of the House.

This is the primary dilemma now. How to paint the Knight in correspondence with the rest of the force, but without making the force too colour but instead still make them look knightly.

 

Do the armor trim in silver, and the surfaces in your chosen color.  For example, I did my armor trim in gold and the surfaces in green.

[CommodusXIII]

 

However, green goes better with Gold than Silver. Should I make the trims Golden, even though if the rest of the force will have predominantly Silver armour?

 

 

The colors of House Cadmus are green and silver, and I think it looks fine. 

 

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/f/f3/Cadmus_Colour_Scheme.jpg

[Jolemai]

What about the style of Morticon's Sicaran that you were swooning over? :p

[Frater Cornelius]

Not keen on Red as the main colour for this particular House. The more I think of it, then Green, Silver and Black fits the bill the most. Red can Blue can be reserved for various guns or glowing bits.

 

See, this is why I love discussing these things. The more you talk about it, the clearer the image becomes

 

This is an alternate style. Silver armour with a Golden Glow. Looks very amazing as well.

Edited April 30, 2015 by Immersturm

[WarriorFish]

As embellishment colours, especially for rims and the like I think silver and gold both work. Same goes for predominantly green models, silver works too :)

[Lord Commander Scrymgeour]

Those conversions sound ace! Cannot wait to see them!

[Frater Cornelius]

Those conversions sound ace! Cannot wait to see them!

Thanks. Some of these might take a little while seeing as I first need to get a clearer picture of the army before I start. First on line is the Acheron. After that it will probably be the second IK. I am not clear on how many Rangers and how many Vanguards I will take. After the IK the Skinwolves will get their turn. I will open a WIP thread soon ;)

[Frater Cornelius]

Silver variant: http://1d4chan.org/images/2/23/The_Green_Knight.JPG

Golden variant: https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8046/8147396241_f26640b813.jpg

 

I love this guy's concept and to some extend I enjoy his colouring as well. I think this is a good starting point. Damn, Bretonnia seems like a pretty good place to base some stories around. With more Knights and less French that is (no offense meant towards French-bros ;)).

 

I think the Silver variant is less fabulous and thus has a bit of a mysterious atmosphere around, which is what I am aiming for. Well, looks like the colour scheme makes some good progress :)

[Charlo]

If you need any miniatures mocked up in photoshop immer I can crack some out for ya, been doing it in the "imperial knight painter" thread to help people decide on things :)

[Frater Cornelius]

If you need any miniatures mocked up in photoshop immer I can crack some out for ya, been doing it in the "imperial knight painter" thread to help people decide on things

 

Good man! I will not say no to that offer. Let's get crackin':

Acheron:

The IK Acheron with colours of this model.

- main plates with that green

- trim with that dark silver in the picture

- the metal bits in between can stay as in the original image of FW

- the head needs to be exchanged with the original IK head seen on the GW IK box (that regular knight helmet).

 

That would be the basic setup for now

 

Thanks, bud

Edited May 1, 2015 by Immersturm

[hendrik]

how about basing yourself on some real historical knight houses, found in the codex manesse?

http://digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/diglit/cpg848

[Frater Cornelius]

how about basing yourself on some real historical knight houses, found in the codex manesse?

http://digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/diglit/cpg848

 

I will have a look. Although I do have an fairly clear idea about my House now. Nevertheless, some interesting ideas and additions might be in there.

[hendrik]

i suggested it due to the amount of heraldry depicted in it, as even though your coloursheme might have already been decided, knight do use a fair bit of heraldry on them, which this book contains tons off. for example the heinrich von breslau heraldry could match well witht he greens you've suggested,the eagle either staying more knightly, or becoming a standardized imperial version:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Codex_Manesse_Heinrich_von_Breslau.jpg

[Charlo]

Doing the ACHERON was really fun, and now I have it saved down and can tweak it for others 

 

But enjoy the first concept of your house Immer ;)

 

http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah177/nevscorner/Archeron%20Knight_zpsmgcttecs.png

[Frater Cornelius]

@ hendrik - You make a very good point. I have not given the heraldry much thought yet. This book may be of very good help. Thanks again.

 

@ Charlo - Dayum. Now that is a very solid start. Thanks very much. I will mull it over and check back when I have come up with the next step

Edited May 1, 2015 by Immersturm

[hendrik]

that alternative faceplate looks ace! shame the cerastus faceplaces already come attached to the heads!

[Frater Cornelius]

that alternative faceplate looks ace! shame the cerastus faceplaces already come attached to the heads!

 

Very easy to replace. I think the bigger problem is finding a spare one :D

[CommodusXIII]

Damn, I bounced off my "like" quota for the first time... I'll get you tomorrow, Charlo!

[Charlo]

Just wait till I post the one Immer's had me making in PMs :P

[Frater Cornelius]

Well, the first draft is basically done. Just a few colour adjustments and I will have a basic direction how to base paint the guy. After that, I will need to work on the frescoes. One fresco is already included. Not sure about the other motives ;)

 

@ Charlo - You may post the one after the final adjustments are done. Antlers need to be smaller and all that jazz in my last message. After that you bask in glory ;)

Edited May 2, 2015 by Immersturm