Carrack Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I always pay the points for this upgrade because I so far, fight exclusively loyalists. However, ETL has motivated me to find a way to represent this on the models, so there is no doubt that they are indeed veterans. What are some ways I can convey my men's veteran status? In particular, oblits, terminators, lords and sorcerers, and raptors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307105-modeling-veterans-of-the-long-war/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Trophies of loyalist dogs? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307105-modeling-veterans-of-the-long-war/#findComment-4030168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron-Daemon Forge Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I always pay the points for this upgrade because I so far, fight exclusively loyalists. However, ETL has motivated me to find a way to represent this on the models, so there is no doubt that they are indeed veterans. What are some ways I can convey my men's veteran status? In particular, oblits, terminators, lords and sorcerers, and raptors.  For me, I'd count my trophies as a way to show my Iron Warriors Veteran of the Long war states. Shown all the armies they've fought since the Heresy to current 40k era. As well as being base on actual games my IW have fought since collecting them since 2001 up to know.  Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307105-modeling-veterans-of-the-long-war/#findComment-4030172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrack Posted May 4, 2015 Author Share Posted May 4, 2015 Thanks for the quick replies. I think I can manage a few trophies up for my pair of oblits in my first vow, would the terminator trophy racks count for my terminators? My bits box is lacking in loyalist pieces, it's an exclusively heretical box. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307105-modeling-veterans-of-the-long-war/#findComment-4030194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaldoth Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Definitely some loyalist helms on spikes.  Instead of the chaos banners for my icons of vengeance, I gave a loyalist power sword to an Aspiring Champion and a defaced Imperial Fists banner to another.  Functional demoralizing trophies of war :D  You could also just make their armor a bit more ornate, give them some extra toys, more spikes, chains, mutations, etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307105-modeling-veterans-of-the-long-war/#findComment-4030200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron-Daemon Forge Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Thanks for the quick replies. I think I can manage a few trophies up for my pair of oblits in my first vow, would the terminator trophy racks count for my terminators? My bits box is lacking in loyalist pieces, it's an exclusively heretical box. It not uncommon for wars between the Legions & warbands. My Iron Warriors have trophies from loyal Chapter, Guards, Xenos & from fellow Legion - There Black Legion, Night Lord, Word Bearer, Death Guards, Thousand Sons & World Eaters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307105-modeling-veterans-of-the-long-war/#findComment-4030220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Trophies of loyalist dogs? I second that, especially if you use old helmets, old paint schemes and possibly paint schemes of extinct chapters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307105-modeling-veterans-of-the-long-war/#findComment-4030252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrack Posted May 4, 2015 Author Share Posted May 4, 2015 Â Â Trophies of loyalist dogs? I second that, especially if you use old helmets, old paint schemes and possibly paint schemes of extinct chapters. I like the extinc chapters part. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307105-modeling-veterans-of-the-long-war/#findComment-4030292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 You could also just give them the old Legion Numeral markings. E.g. Death Guard - XIV Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307105-modeling-veterans-of-the-long-war/#findComment-4030357 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrack Posted May 4, 2015 Author Share Posted May 4, 2015 I remember reading on this sight someone's trouble removing all of the Aquillas off of the land raider tracks. With a razor blade, a little luck, and a few minutes, I may have just solved two problems. The aquilla will be appropriately defiled, rest assured. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307105-modeling-veterans-of-the-long-war/#findComment-4030407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beachymike123 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 As well as the trophy idea as said above, you could also have a particular shoulder badge, like kill markings, or a unifying symbol for the squad. Or Heresy/Scouring era iconography, as this was when the Long War began. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307105-modeling-veterans-of-the-long-war/#findComment-4030413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrack Posted May 4, 2015 Author Share Posted May 4, 2015 The markings idea is a good one, but doesn't fit the background of my Warband. Which is a Black Legion faction that does not remember the Heresy and it's aftermath with any fondness. I often leave one shouldpad blank as a statement that they now belong to a legion without a number. Â That and I have yet to attempt to apply transfers, and my freehand looks like it was done while heavily intoxicated :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307105-modeling-veterans-of-the-long-war/#findComment-4030426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beachymike123 Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Could always deface/desecrate them - this would show their contempt to their past and keep in line with the bitter attitude of the Black Legion, especially your warband by the sound of things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307105-modeling-veterans-of-the-long-war/#findComment-4030459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Erm. I just paint them as Iron Warriors, or any other Legion :S Â I mean, even Huron is a 'veteran' of the long war, despite having only turned something like 500 years ago. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307105-modeling-veterans-of-the-long-war/#findComment-4030690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
totgeboren Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Yeah, being a "Veteran of the Long War" seems to be more of a state of mind than actually being experience. I mean, the Black Legion is known for accepting everyone, including recently fallen marines into their ranks, and for them the upgrade is mandatory. Â I think it's more a question of "Are these guys fighting against the Imperium, or are they fighting for themselves?", not so much a matter of how long they have been going at it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307105-modeling-veterans-of-the-long-war/#findComment-4030708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 I remember reading on this sight someone's trouble removing all of the Aquillas off of the land raider tracks. With a razor blade, a little luck, and a few minutes, I may have just solved two problems. The aquilla will be appropriately defiled, rest assured. I always found it weird that the Imperials would literally drag their symbol through the mud with every rotation of the tread. IMHO that is much more fitting for traitors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307105-modeling-veterans-of-the-long-war/#findComment-4030964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Erm. I just paint them as Iron Warriors, or any other Legion :S I mean, even Huron is a 'veteran' of the long war, despite having only turned something like 500 years ago. Less than 100 actually. Badab War ended in 913. M41 or so. Part of why I really like Huron as a villain (far prefer him to Abby), he gets done. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307105-modeling-veterans-of-the-long-war/#findComment-4031088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 A I make the bases "taller" then the rest of the army. not scenic but as close as possible to it.  B I like the "clean" csm look for my army, for veterans I add green stuff mohowaks, bare arms , resculpted shoulder pads  C I try to have a "philosopher'/holy man in every squad. a dude holding and looking at a enemy helmet, dude cleaning his melee weapon with a cloth made out of pice of an enemy banner, sm dude[always with a bolter] having a chained [pick slave/mutant dog]. dude siting on a barrel cleaning weapon  D the "merry" csm [no more then 1-2 per 1500 army] the drinking horn dude, the obligatory "my plasma explodes, so am scorched" dude  E heavy/special weapon dudes with "old" style weapons  F golem obliterators using khemir parts Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307105-modeling-veterans-of-the-long-war/#findComment-4031097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Erm. I just paint them as Iron Warriors, or any other Legion :S I mean, even Huron is a 'veteran' of the long war, despite having only turned something like 500 years ago. Less than 100 actually. Badab War ended in 913. M41 or so. Part of why I really like Huron as a villain (far prefer him to Abby), he gets done. Abby also gets :cuss done. It just might not be the :cuss that you expect. He could have realized that the victory of Chaos would also mean the end of Chaos as the Cabal predicted. So his goal is to keep the game going. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307105-modeling-veterans-of-the-long-war/#findComment-4031114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Erm. I just paint them as Iron Warriors, or any other Legion :S I mean, even Huron is a 'veteran' of the long war, despite having only turned something like 500 years ago. Less than 100 actually. Badab War ended in 913. M41 or so. Part of why I really like Huron as a villain (far prefer him to Abby), he gets done. Abby also gets done. It just might not be the that you expect. He could have realized that the victory of Chaos would also mean the end of Chaos as the Cabal predicted. So his goal is to keep the game going. Sorry but I don't buy that. At all. While I'm not going down the '12 Failures' route, because it isn't correct (though neither is 'all 12 were excellent successes where everything worked out for the BL'), I would say the volume of done by Huron in 86 or so years compares very favourably with Abby's output over 10,000. While I understand the desire for GW and ADB to attempt to move past the 'Failbaddon' meme (amusing as it is), this kind of 'just as planned'/'he's pulling a fast one on the Gods themselves' stuff that's been circulating recently is imo even worse, going into full blown Mary Sue territory. Quite frankly I think the 'Abby as Antichrist' idea is a poor one. Far more fitting of the tag line 'In The Grim Darkness Of The Far Future, There Is Only War' would be 'Abby as Sisyphus'. In this interpretation both Abby and the Imperium are trapped in this truly eternal struggle. Abby is stuck, consumed by spite towards his failure of a Father, unable to abandon the dream of proving himself Horus' better once and for all. Yet every time that boulder reaches the top of the hill, it rolls back, as the Imperium's might rallies or the inherent fractious nature of the Chaos armies undoes Abby's scheming. Leaving Abby, for all his protestations to the contrary, just as much a puppet as Horus was before him. And in the Warp, those thirsting Gods keep laughing. I'd say it's far more fitting to the theme and tone of the setting this way. Neither side can escape the conflict, or retains the strength to ever truly prevail. There Is, and can only be, War. Edit: Sorry for the tangent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307105-modeling-veterans-of-the-long-war/#findComment-4031235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 I get what you're saying, but I think either you have to apply the Sysiphos comparison to the setting as a whole or you don't. On a grand scale no one can accomplish anything because the status quo has to be largely preserved. On a small scale however there can be victories and defeats. I prefer to look at it and to see small accomplishments and setbacks rather than look at it and say nothing ever changes. Sure the "empire" Huron carved out in a short time is impressive but on a galactic scale it is not that significant. On the other hand the 10.000 years Abbadon had, also only equate to a couple of hundred years in real space IIRC. During that time he did not occupy a contiguous area of the galaxy but achieved all sorts of goals for whatever purpose. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307105-modeling-veterans-of-the-long-war/#findComment-4031375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron-Daemon Forge Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 This topic is Modelling Veteran of the Long War. If you wish to start a discussion on Abaddon & Huron start a new topic, thanks.  Insane Psychopath Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307105-modeling-veterans-of-the-long-war/#findComment-4031376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 The biggest question raised here is why the hell have I not seen any pictures of the Jeske's army?!? It sounds awesome! I am a big fan of the mohawks also. Maybe...some pictures of what people do? Jeske? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307105-modeling-veterans-of-the-long-war/#findComment-4031398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonlover Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 The biggest question raised here is why the hell have I not seen any pictures of the Jeske's army?!? It sounds awesome! I am a big fan of the mohawks also. Maybe...some pictures of what people do? Jeske? I was just thinking the exact same thing. Jeske, there's nothing for it, you gotta take some pics dude! Dragonlover Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307105-modeling-veterans-of-the-long-war/#findComment-4031441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 The biggest question raised here is why the hell have I not seen any pictures of the Jeske's army?!? It sounds awesome! I am a big fan of the mohawks also. Maybe...some pictures of what people do? Jeske? I was just thinking the exact same thing. Jeske, there's nothing for it, you gotta take some pics dude! Dragonlover I can try throw some in. Problem is if too many people see them, I would have to register and that is not a good thing considering the city I come from+my line of work. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307105-modeling-veterans-of-the-long-war/#findComment-4032412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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