brother_contagion Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 I've been wanting to get this model for my eventual expansion into Chaos Demons (but with Khorne Demonkin out, Nurgle may have to wait...) and have only seen him in one or two batreps. So to anyone out there who has this model, what are the best tactics with which to use him? What armies does he excel against or fail against? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307125-demon-lord-scabeiathrax/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagrath Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 You already got my opinion on Facebook, hah. But I would add that he is probably good for board control if put in the center of the table, especially in Relic missions. I would also uses some Pysker to put Cursed Earth on him for a 2++. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307125-demon-lord-scabeiathrax/#findComment-4030664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozo69pd Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Well he is pretty much full throttle fail unfortunately. If you are playing maelstrom and invest in him you are prolly gonna lose depending on the card draw. You either have to play unbound or a 3100+ point game. At that point level your opponent is going to probably bring wraithknights, imperial knights, Lord of skulls, or the D blood thirster. I am pretty sure he loses to equal his points to all those. I wanted to make him work too but proxy'd him a few times and short of a 5k point game probably not going to contribute anything. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307125-demon-lord-scabeiathrax/#findComment-4033165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xera32 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 He doesn't even do things at 5k+.His rules are really bad, he was hard to kill in 5th ed, but since the changes to D weapons he became a pushover to kill. His damage output is poor and he is as slow as a normal GUO. Point for point, you are better off with 3 GUOs then Scabie. Well he is pretty much full throttle fail unfortunately. If you are playing maelstrom and invest in him you are prolly gonna lose depending on the card draw. You either have to play unbound or a 3100+ point game. At that point level your opponent is going to probably bring wraithknights, imperial knights, Lord of skulls, or the D blood thirster. I am pretty sure he loses to equal his points to all those. I wanted to make him work too but proxy'd him a few times and short of a 5k point game probably not going to contribute anything. they removed the 25% restriction on him in the new vraks book (as well as for An'ggrath). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307125-demon-lord-scabeiathrax/#findComment-4033190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagrath Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 He doesn't even do things at 5k+. His rules are really bad, he was hard to kill in 5th ed, but since the changes to D weapons he became a pushover to kill. His damage output is poor and he is as slow as a normal GUO. Point for point, you are better off with 3 GUOs then Scabie. Well he is pretty much full throttle fail unfortunately. If you are playing maelstrom and invest in him you are prolly gonna lose depending on the card draw. You either have to play unbound or a 3100+ point game. At that point level your opponent is going to probably bring wraithknights, imperial knights, Lord of skulls, or the D blood thirster. I am pretty sure he loses to equal his points to all those. I wanted to make him work too but proxy'd him a few times and short of a 5k point game probably not going to contribute anything. they removed the 25% restriction on him in the new vraks book (as well as for An'ggrath). I feel like the 25% thing is a rough cool, though RAW I think you are right that you don't need the 25% for Vraks, based on not having the asterix in Vraks for LoW options that you in IA:13 for normal renegades in their LoW listing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307125-demon-lord-scabeiathrax/#findComment-4033287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother_contagion Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share Posted May 7, 2015 Besides Lagrath, have you two ever used this model? I'm asking for tactics. There's hundreds of units that could be better "if X", but as he is he isn't BAD. So I'm all ears to tactics on how to use him from people who have used him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307125-demon-lord-scabeiathrax/#findComment-4033398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xera32 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 I have used him in 4 apoc games.each game he would deepstrike in, template 1 unit, next turn get stuck in combat but taking many turns to kill his target. For 800 points I found him poor. The only thing he did in the games was not die, Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307125-demon-lord-scabeiathrax/#findComment-4033452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaeron Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Besides Lagrath, have you two ever used this model? I've wanted to, but sadly never used him. The model itself is glorious, and I definitely will in future because of how he looks visually - irrespective of rules. I suggest you do the same if you want to use him :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307125-demon-lord-scabeiathrax/#findComment-4033581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozo69pd Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 When I used him I made sure to DS him onto an icon, because I dare not mishap with that many points. I used him in relic and emperors will mission and both times he did not die but sat on the objective. If I had been braver I would have DS him onto enemy objective but he was IG and deploted his gunline to make that difficult. Both games he never got into combat because the enemy fled from him. The real problem now besides D weapons too as I said is maelstrom missions. If you want to win you have to be able to move move move amongst the 6 points and if most of your points are tied up in him and the enemy shoots down your fast movers ignoring him.... you get the idea. \ HOWEVER! Like others said it is a glorious model (one I would gladly use as a vanilla GUO) so if you did a Forge the Narrative game using some of the apocalypse specific missions it could be fun. zombie apocalypse with the deployment where the enemy is surrounded in a city comes to mind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307125-demon-lord-scabeiathrax/#findComment-4033668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother_contagion Posted May 8, 2015 Author Share Posted May 8, 2015 One thing I noticed for his rules is that he seems he could do well against horde armies or other MC, av14 and super heavies more than a Knight and he would seem to have trouble with them. There are better choices for LoW, but as a fluffy choice he isn't that bad (which I like him for fluff mostly). Yeah he would be a point sink in Maelstrom, but I don't always worry myself over them that much. I my meta there's not many Eldar/Dark Eldar and Necron players, mostly Marine, Chaos Marines, Tau and Ork. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307125-demon-lord-scabeiathrax/#findComment-4034496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagrath Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 I plan on using the Creature Caster disease Daemons as my Scabby! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307125-demon-lord-scabeiathrax/#findComment-4035383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother_contagion Posted May 8, 2015 Author Share Posted May 8, 2015 I plan on using the Creature Caster disease Daemons as my Scabby! I don't think I've seen that one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307125-demon-lord-scabeiathrax/#findComment-4035475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatespinner Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 I use him as a vanilla GUO because the model is crazy-awesome and I really hate the way the regular GUO's look. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307125-demon-lord-scabeiathrax/#findComment-4035504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother_contagion Posted May 9, 2015 Author Share Posted May 9, 2015 I use him as a vanilla GUO because the model is crazy-awesome and I really hate the way the regular GUO's look. It is a great model, but I'd rather use his rules because using him as a GUO just makes him that bigger of a target and model to hide. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307125-demon-lord-scabeiathrax/#findComment-4035717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozo69pd Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Well, the main purpose of the GUO is to sit in a ruin and soak up incoming fire and maybe redirect a charge while summoning... so that would be a good thing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307125-demon-lord-scabeiathrax/#findComment-4036068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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