Vel'Cona Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Huh, I hadn't thought of that as a use of the shooting protocol. It's a neat idea, but I suppose you could get the same result with any Kastelan build. That said, I think some folks are underestimating the ability to throw 8 Torrent Flamers downfield a turn (assuming 4 'Bots under shooting protocol) when dealing with horde opponents. I'm thinking magnets are necessary for the majority of Kastelans. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307206-kastelan-maniple-discussion/page/8/#findComment-4071489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 I never realised you could throw 8 flamers down that's just pure lethal to anything not in power armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307206-kastelan-maniple-discussion/page/8/#findComment-4071718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mushkilla Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 I never realised you could throw 8 flamers down that's just pure lethal to anything not in power armour. The better part is being able to put 2 S4 AP5 templates with the small end anywhere within 12" of the firing model, on 4 different units (thanks to split fire). Effectively you can take out 4 units of xenos in a single shooting phase. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307206-kastelan-maniple-discussion/page/8/#findComment-4071752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scurvydog Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 I guess it also depends how big a game you are playing and of course then the rest of the army. I play smaller games which leaves little else outside the formation. My current list is just the formation, 2 units of vanguards and a single dunecrawler. I play against 70% MEQ armies, so I usually just put 1 flamer on a bot, which is still effective enough to be a threat. With all that AP3 shooting and a cognis relic my opponent will have to face 21 overwatch phosphor shots at BS5, where the twin linked ones really come into play as well. Then there is also datasmiths and the dominus as well. Any good assault army will get the charge on these bots, so my objective is to move into a good position and shoot down threats, so I can't be charged by more than 1 unit at a time, where anything but the most hardcore deathstar will be shot to pieces from pure overwatch before powerfists will be needed in any shape or form. All setups are viable though, and in larger games with more fire support from the rest of the army, I can see how an aggressive advancing unit can be successful. In the size of my games though I would get overrun by pure numbers without a lot of firepower to thin out the enemy with in the first couple of turns. Still if I knew my list would mainly be used against hordes of orkz, nids and such, yea flamers all the way :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307206-kastelan-maniple-discussion/page/8/#findComment-4071771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz1858 Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 I have been looking at this Formation for my GK. Dominus with the Arkhan land Relic 4 Bots standard 2 datasmiths standard Draigo Maybe a ML3 Libby. This unit now has a T7 Draigo tanking wounds, potentially dropping them onto the Bots. The bots have FnP and IWND plus regain a wound on a 2+ from the Dominus. Draigo can use his GOI to get the unit where it needs to be and the ML3 Libby can boost with whatever powers he has. 960 points not including the ML3 Libby Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307206-kastelan-maniple-discussion/page/8/#findComment-4072388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithrilForge Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 I have been looking at this Formation for my GK. Dominus with the Arkhan land Relic 4 Bots standard 2 datasmiths standard Draigo Maybe a ML3 Libby. This unit now has a T7 Draigo tanking wounds, potentially dropping them onto the Bots. The bots have FnP and IWND plus regain a wound on a 2+ from the Dominus. Draigo can use his GOI to get the unit where it needs to be and the ML3 Libby can boost with whatever powers he has. 960 points not including the ML3 Libby "Hey check out that small Moon over there?"... "That's not a moon Kid!,that's Gaz1858's Draigo unit"..... Mithril Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307206-kastelan-maniple-discussion/page/8/#findComment-4072398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mushkilla Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Independent characters can't join units of monstrous creatures in 7th. So no draigo kastelan deathstar I'm afraid. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307206-kastelan-maniple-discussion/page/8/#findComment-4072469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vel'Cona Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Dang those rules! I've seen a bunch of players messing this up with the Tech-Priest Dominus, too; the only way he can join those Kastelans is the Cohort formation. It's one of the reasons the Cohort is such hotness right now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307206-kastelan-maniple-discussion/page/8/#findComment-4072859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
78zrider Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 In a 1850 point army how bad would it be to have a army based on this formation? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307206-kastelan-maniple-discussion/page/8/#findComment-4073217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmimzie Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 what formation?:?? cohort cybernetica? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307206-kastelan-maniple-discussion/page/8/#findComment-4073230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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