Rurik the blessed Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Hello Brothers,Soon i will fight a torunament at 1500pts.and i must send my list as fast as possible, but i can't decide wish army to send... I have two alternatives Alternative 1:NSF Detachment 1HQLibrarian lvl3TroopTerminator Squad (7x men), psycannonHeavyNemesis Dreadknight, personal teleporter, H.Psycannon, H. Incinerator, Daemon HammerNemesis Dreadknight, personal teleporter, H.Psycannon, H. Incinerator, Daemon HammerNSF 2HQLibrarian lvl3TroopStrike Squad, incineratorHeavyNemesis Dreadknight, personal teleporter, H.Psycannon, H. Psilencer , Daemon HammerNemesis Dreadknight, personal teleporter, H.Psycannon, H. Psilencer , Daemon Hammer Alternative 2NSFHQLibrarian lvl3, liber daemonica, combi plasmaTroopTerminator Squad (10x men), 2 psycannonHeavyNemesis Dreadknight, personal teleporter, H.Psycannon, H. Incinerator, Daemon HammerNemesis Dreadknight, personal teleporter, H.Psycannon, H. Incinerator, Daemon HammerLOWKnight Errant. please, help me to decide. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307258-help-me-to-decide-wish-army-for-a-tourny/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Alternative 2. Yes, oh yes, Alternative 2. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307258-help-me-to-decide-wish-army-for-a-tourny/#findComment-4034177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Here's me playing devil's advocate to Jeffersonian's post.... *IF* the tournament is using modified Maelstrom, I would seriously consider list 1. I say this because 4 Teleporting NDK's are no joke. You will have 2 more Libbies with Gate potential. No section of the board will be out of reach, and every where is reinforce-able in a jump, shunt or gate. I have played against, and been in massive Apoc games using Knights, but I have never used one myself, so I cannot give you an honest appraisal of List 2 without just theorizing, so I'd rather not mislead you. My gut says list 1 has the most tactical flexibility, but list 2 seems.... what's the word? 'Bluntly' more destructive. Ask yourself this: - Are you going to win? Or have fun? Or a bit of both? - Which of the two lists do you think suits your meta better? - Which list would you say you have the most experience with? ** ** I think experience with a list is severely underrated in most of these conversations. I've seen very 'mediocre' stuff do quite well (better than it should) in the hands of someone with a very high experience level. Conversely, I know of a few people personally that have 'netlisted' a tournament army, and not truly understood it against all-comers and they get waxed and don't understand how it could happen when they were using 'This AMAZING list that finished top 5 at LVO (or something similar)" Just my two Falchions worth of tournament advice. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307258-help-me-to-decide-wish-army-for-a-tourny/#findComment-4034376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 I like list no.1. DK's are about the same lethality in combat as a single Errant, and their firepower is great against infantry of all kinds. They're also a lot more mobile. I just fear a single Errant is going to eat all the anti-tank firepower. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307258-help-me-to-decide-wish-army-for-a-tourny/#findComment-4034392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 I voted for Alt2 because it's so close to what I play at 1850. Personally, I'd drop 5 GKT for 10 Interceptors. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307258-help-me-to-decide-wish-army-for-a-tourny/#findComment-4034567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 I voted for Alt2 because it's so close to what I play at 1850. Personally, I'd drop 5 GKT for 10 Interceptors. SJ You know everytime I try to drop Termies for more (fill in the blank) because I need more bodies, it reminds me how overpriced so many units feel. I mean what is the math for replacing 5 Termies with 10 interceptors??? I think one of the real shortcomings of the codex is it really pushes you hard into Termies, and deviating from that is really difficult. The only mild temptation is Interceptors simply because you're not stuck out in the open for half a game.... but even then I think they're still too pricey. So much AP3 hate in the game today. I know there's a lot of AP2 weaponry now as well, but I have found it exceedingly difficult to include any PA in my lists at all... and that really sucks to be quite honest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307258-help-me-to-decide-wish-army-for-a-tourny/#findComment-4034912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurik the blessed Posted May 8, 2015 Author Share Posted May 8, 2015 Thx for the replies, ... this is so useful. I think i will choose Alternative 1. I played against nids last day... and was very good, despite of most players said to me, that the knight would get traped, but Stomp did all the job... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307258-help-me-to-decide-wish-army-for-a-tourny/#findComment-4034973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Rurik, please do up a tournament report. When is it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307258-help-me-to-decide-wish-army-for-a-tourny/#findComment-4035017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurik the blessed Posted May 8, 2015 Author Share Posted May 8, 2015 Rurik, please do up a tournament report. When is it? Ok, I'll do.... the tournament is this May 16th... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307258-help-me-to-decide-wish-army-for-a-tourny/#findComment-4035076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 You know everytime I try to drop Termies for more (fill in the blank) because I need more bodies, it reminds me how overpriced so many units feel. I mean what is the math for replacing 5 Termies with 10 interceptors??? I think one of the real shortcomings of the codex is it really pushes you hard into Termies, and deviating from that is really difficult. The only mild temptation is Interceptors simply because you're not stuck out in the open for half a game.... but even then I think they're still too pricey. So much AP3 hate in the game today. I know there's a lot of AP2 weaponry now as well, but I have found it exceedingly difficult to include any PA in my lists at all... and that really sucks to be quite honest. Yeah it is really frustrating, because if this wasn't Marine Haterade Edition: The Movie: The Animated Series: The Trading Card Game, Interceptors and Purifiers would be considered borderline broken. As is, they shine for about 1-2 turns, then melt to enemy firepower. :( Sternguard are in the same boat too, I haven't seen them in competitive Marine lists except as combi-melta MSU, which is really sad. I remember the days when Sternguard were feared and considered a viable replacement for Tactical Terminators. Everytime I write lists, I find Terminators just fit better to whatever I'm trying to do. They get in the enemy's face Turn 1, they demand AP2 to be dealt with, and they don't need any help crushing other things in melee, plus they bring decent firepower for their cost (a Relentless psycannon in every squad is a big deal). They're just very efficient, and the 5+ invul does somewhat slow down enemy AP2 (you still die a lot but less than PA would). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307258-help-me-to-decide-wish-army-for-a-tourny/#findComment-4035627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy-inquisitor Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Hard to really say without knowing what the scenarios are and how the tournament is handling Lords of War. If you get stuck with the Escalation rules and a really low scoring draw-ish scenario like Emperor's Will then the Knight could be a real liability giving away free VP. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307258-help-me-to-decide-wish-army-for-a-tourny/#findComment-4036283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Basically it's between 4 dreadknights, or 2 dreads and a Knight... I'd go with the knight and 2 dreadknights. Yeah you lose a MC, but you gain better ranged guns and arguably better combat with stomps and D. So yes.... List number 2! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307258-help-me-to-decide-wish-army-for-a-tourny/#findComment-4036482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Captain Coolpants, to my rescue! SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307258-help-me-to-decide-wish-army-for-a-tourny/#findComment-4036544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurik the blessed Posted May 11, 2015 Author Share Posted May 11, 2015 haha, very good replys... Finally i choosed list number 2... there will be some wraith knights and other unspeakable things.... so i will need some heavy power. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307258-help-me-to-decide-wish-army-for-a-tourny/#findComment-4038694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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