Joe Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Title is pretty much self-explanatory. I've seen a few sources state that it took Horus a good few years of constant, bitter fighting to push towards Terra, however there's a few sources inc. the Battle of Calth that suggest otherwise. Just the usual inconsistencies when it comes to the fluff? I'm mostly curious as I'm starting a Sons of Horus army, and was wondering much I could change the armour/iconography on the models to suit mid-to-late stage HH. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307600-how-long-did-the-hh-last/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 I think it was 7 years. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307600-how-long-did-the-hh-last/#findComment-4041988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Basically, the Horus Heresy was seven years long. How is it that Calth makes you think it didn't take a few years, brother? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307600-how-long-did-the-hh-last/#findComment-4041998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
noigrim Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=M31&redirect=no Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307600-how-long-did-the-hh-last/#findComment-4041999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 From what I recall the Heresy actually started once lorgar found daemons...and altered his legion and started the lodges within the other legions. The horus heresy began at Davin when the warmaster turned. The age of darkness was seven years which was from istvaan up to the siege. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307600-how-long-did-the-hh-last/#findComment-4042002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 The horus heresy began at Davin when the warmaster turned. I suppose it boils down to a matter of opinion. I think the Horus Heresy starts at Isstvan. The seeds of the HH certainly come from Lorgar's dabbling in the powers of the Warp (40 years earlier) and the events upon Davin where Horus turns (which is a year or two before Isstvan iirc) but to me, really, the birth of the civil war that is called the Horus Heresy belongs to Isstvan. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307600-how-long-did-the-hh-last/#findComment-4042005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lay Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Forge World has a timeline for the Heresy: http://battlebunnies.blogspot.de/2014/05/horus-heresy-book-4-conquest-details.html It's more than 7 years in the current fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307600-how-long-did-the-hh-last/#findComment-4042008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted May 14, 2015 Author Share Posted May 14, 2015 Basically, the Horus Heresy was seven years long. How is it that Calth makes you think it didn't take a few years, brother? At first glance it seemed as if Calth started not long after the Heresy kicked off, resolved in a short period of time and the Smurfs set off for Terra. I must have gotten a bit confused by that. Cheers for the links guys. \o That clarified what I needed to know. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307600-how-long-did-the-hh-last/#findComment-4042013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Forge World has a timeline for the Heresy: http://battlebunnies.blogspot.de/2014/05/horus-heresy-book-4-conquest-details.html It's more than 7 years in the current fluff. Sooo.... eight and a half years. Not too much of a change. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307600-how-long-did-the-hh-last/#findComment-4042016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Forge World has a timeline for the Heresy: http://battlebunnies.blogspot.de/2014/05/horus-heresy-book-4-conquest-details.html It's more than 7 years in the current fluff. Sooo.... eight and a half years. Not too much of a change. well, 7 years were the age of darkness (which starts after istvaan, around the time of phall/paramar^^) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307600-how-long-did-the-hh-last/#findComment-4042032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Originally Horus immediately moved against Terra after Istvaan V, so the entire "heresy" from Istvaan V to the Battle for Terra lasted about a year. However, the fighting after Horus had been killed lasted another seven years, and the entire struggle was referred to as the "Horus Heresy" back in 1st Edition. After 2nd Edition the period after Horus' death became known as the "Scouring", and the Horus Heresy was the period between the first infighting and the Battle for Terra. Perhaps someone read the description of the seven years and assumed that referred to the initial fighting. Or perhaps BL/GW just wants to draw out the initial campaign for maximum exploitation. The Battle for Calth originally happened right before the Battle for Terra, and the Ultramarines immediately moved to reiinforce the EMperor after defeating the Word Bearers. But presumably because that would have meant that the Ultramarines could not have participated in the (now drawn out) seven years of the new Heresy narrative, GW decided to instead relocate it to the beginning of the campaign. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307600-how-long-did-the-hh-last/#findComment-4042121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Lol the entire conflict period of the greatest galactic civil war of the human race lasted less time than Operation Iraqi Freedom... I think there should be a retcon of that timeline lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307600-how-long-did-the-hh-last/#findComment-4042348 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 That's the thing. It sounds like it was originally supposed to only be Horus' failed attempt at a coup. I'm glad someone misread a couple lines (if that's really the case), and now we have the galactic civil war we know and love today. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307600-how-long-did-the-hh-last/#findComment-4042374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 If you think about it, The Scouring was just an extension of the Heresy (the Imperium rising up and reclaiming those worlds sworn to Horus). It's the same conflict, just swung in the opposite direction. If I remember correctly, the Scouring was another seven years (believable, as the Imperium most likely had taken off the kid gloves at that point, and you either surrendered or burned, to hell with Compliance), which would bring the whole conflict to 14 years, give or take. I could buy into that, though I'm cool with it being longer. I prefer the more 'traditional' warfare we're seeing from FW with the Heresy so far, compared to Black Library's more character-driven 'Adventure/Saga'. If Mr. Bligh can convince the bigwigs to stretch out the war, I'm down with that retcon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307600-how-long-did-the-hh-last/#findComment-4042414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 If I remember correctly, the Scouring was another seven years (believable, as the Imperium most likely had taken off the kid gloves at that point, and you either surrendered or burned, to hell with Compliance), which would bring the whole conflict to 14 years, give or take. I was under the impression that the Scouring had been retconned to twenty years long. Can't recall where I got that from, though, so it's not like I'm making a firm statement. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307600-how-long-did-the-hh-last/#findComment-4042423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 That'd be cool, but I haven't heard about that. If someone knew a source for that, I'd be a happy camper. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307600-how-long-did-the-hh-last/#findComment-4042433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 That'd be cool, but I haven't heard about that. If someone knew a source for that, I'd be a happy camper. Agreed, the business of rooting out, and sorting through the aftermath of such a massive internecine conflict is gonna take some time. Hell practically every legion had it's moments of questionable loyalty. As a side note, that's one of the things I love about the re-tooling of the heresy, how everything is now shades of gray instead of black and white. But to build off the point from earlier, with the portrayal of conventional warfare we keep seeing in the novels, it would take a lot more than 7 years to conquer the galaxy. Especially since it seems like they've gone away from Horus making a spear thrust for Terra, and instead consolidating power, maneuvering allies, and conquering systems. Hell all of the 4th Horus Heresy book was devoted to the Warmaster conquering and subduing planets through force, diplomacy, or bribery. The way they've been painting it the heresy sounds more like a dark negative to the great crusade than lightning coup. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307600-how-long-did-the-hh-last/#findComment-4042531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 You also only have less than half of your original strength to re conquer the imperium and fight off any traitorous elements. Unless we istvaan every planet along the way Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307600-how-long-did-the-hh-last/#findComment-4042539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted May 14, 2015 Author Share Posted May 14, 2015 Not to mention the fact that not all of the traitorous legions up and fled straight away; a handful of them were still raiding and being generally disruptive for some time after. Then there's having to bring the Adeptus Mechanicus back to heal, exterminating the homeworlds of the traitor legions, suppressing general revolt by opportunistic planets, and so on. Realistically it makes sense for the Scouring to have lasted the better part of twenty years, at a minimum. As Heinrich just said it would equally be sensible if the HH itself was retconned to be ten to fifteen years in length from Horus' declaration of war. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307600-how-long-did-the-hh-last/#findComment-4042547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 I really hope that the Scouring is an opportunity for the Legions which played a smaller role in the Heresy to re-organise and mobilise once the Traitors are on the back foot - the opportunity for the RG, Sallies & IH to finally marshall in considerable numbers would be nice, but also examining the differences between the factions they fragmented into during the Heresy, which would lead to their individual characters as individual chapters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307600-how-long-did-the-hh-last/#findComment-4042570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 I was under the impression that the Scouring had been retconned to twenty years long. Can't recall where I got that from, though After the scouring, the Imperial Fists took two decades to reorganize and recuperate from the heavy losses before they took action full strength again. Perhaps that's where that time frame is coming from? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307600-how-long-did-the-hh-last/#findComment-4042580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Whatever leads to Rob Sanders writing about the Scouring of Olympia. I'd do anything to read that book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307600-how-long-did-the-hh-last/#findComment-4042590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 It makes sense that the Scouring would take longer - the Traitor Legions would have dug in deep and made every effort to repel the Loyalists. I'd also like to see what IHF mentioned too (quite aside from the fact that the Loyalists went through the breaking of the Legions, can't wait to see what details come from that) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307600-how-long-did-the-hh-last/#findComment-4042602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacoMareen Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 It lasted about seven years too long. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307600-how-long-did-the-hh-last/#findComment-4042607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relict Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Whatever leads to Rob Sanders writing about the Scouring of Olympia. I'd do anything to read that book. More like whatever leads to ADB writing about Khârn and Sigismund facing off on Terra. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307600-how-long-did-the-hh-last/#findComment-4042834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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