Reclusiarch Darius Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Guys, I wouldn't get too worked up over it. It's clearly meant for Apoc, it's over 4k just in models alone. Apoc is silly crazy 'throw my entire collection on the table' fun times. Regarding Allies, GW keep making it open ended how it works, so that's how we play it. 'Rites' applies to a GK IC even when attached to Allies (provided they can Deepstrike anyway, ie pod or native DS like say Terminators), and allied IC's attach to say GKT's are the same (again though, they need to have DS capability by default, 'Rites' doesn't grant DS). It may seem weird, but that's apparently how GW wants things to work. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307758-new-gk-formation/page/2/#findComment-4047648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zembar Posted May 18, 2015 Author Share Posted May 18, 2015 I think they did miss another opportunity with the formation. They could have added this new rule I made up: Simultaneous Teleportation: When this formation arrives from Deep Strike Reserves, you first place the first model from every unit in the formation, then you roll scatter once for the entire formation. Hilarity would ensue. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307758-new-gk-formation/page/2/#findComment-4047659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Or they simply arrive without scatter within 12" of another unit in the same formation. Makes things a bit easier. The major issue is that the entry GK formation might not arrive until turn 4. That blows. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307758-new-gk-formation/page/2/#findComment-4047693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 I'm actually hoping this is a lil sneak peak to our eventual codex update. Adding deepstrike to all our squads. I'd happily use Flamer purgation squads then. And I'd moooooore than happily deepstrike purifiers for cleansing shenanigans. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307758-new-gk-formation/page/2/#findComment-4047840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy-inquisitor Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 All of the imperial formations in that book are just fun stuff for Apocalypse scale battles. The only one that stands out as usable and possibly useful is the Khorne Berzerker one - they get to assault straight out of reserves and have the possible bonus of a free Str D hit on a vehicle/building. Expensive and probably overkill but devastating. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307758-new-gk-formation/page/2/#findComment-4047987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 I don't know, but that Titan formation does look sexy. Select one Reaver or Warlorde, select five Knights, pray your Knights gone in before the battle Titan dies. :p SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307758-new-gk-formation/page/2/#findComment-4048014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zembar Posted May 18, 2015 Author Share Posted May 18, 2015 If an upcoming codex refresh gives us deep striking purifiers, tougher paladins, and make purgators relentless, I'll kiss the closest GW employee, whether they want it or not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307758-new-gk-formation/page/2/#findComment-4048346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 If an upcoming codex refresh gives us deep striking purifiers, tougher paladins, and make purgators relentless, I'll kiss the closest GW employee, whether they want it or not. Lol. It won't happen though. We've got a 7th edition codex, I'd be amazed if we're updated in 8th TBH. We went a long time between drinks between 3rd and 5th, and the same length of time between 5th and 7th. I'd expect us to be look at again in 9th, maybe tail end of 8th. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307758-new-gk-formation/page/2/#findComment-4048555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deamon Wolf Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Tis a stupid formation.... Who has over 140 grey knight models!? I do Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307758-new-gk-formation/page/2/#findComment-4048649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deamon Wolf Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Tounge or no tounge? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307758-new-gk-formation/page/2/#findComment-4049123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zembar Posted May 19, 2015 Author Share Posted May 19, 2015 Tounge or no tounge? If they look like they might not actually want the kiss, I'm not going to risk my tongue by putting it between their teeth. Otherwise I might as well go nuts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307758-new-gk-formation/page/2/#findComment-4049145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 If an upcoming codex refresh gives us deep striking purifiers, tougher paladins, and make purgators relentless, I'll kiss the closest GW employee, whether they want it or not. Lol. It won't happen though. We've got a 7th edition codex, I'd be amazed if we're updated in 8th TBH. We went a long time between drinks between 3rd and 5th, and the same length of time between 5th and 7th. I'd expect us to be look at again in 9th, maybe tail end of 8th. Oh man this is a crushing thought. If I'm begging for anything, it's expansion and minor tweaks, including formations. The way 7th as gone, formations are so powerful. It's one thing to have a codex with strong units, but totally another to tie it to a strong formation. IE: Necrons + Mephrit = pretty darn good. Necrons + Decurion = I'll take my trophy now, k'thx. If it turns out true, that the Grey Knights don't see anything for a long time, I won't see expansion in unit choices, BUT if a formation or two come along, then this can add so much life to an army. I really hope GW sees this. I think of the Baal Campaign book as a perfect example of hitting 3 armies at once. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307758-new-gk-formation/page/2/#findComment-4049325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony 92 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 i do wish we had a formation or two we could use in small games. However, for Apoc this looks cool. Especially if you use the stratagem that means no scatter on deep strike for a turn and remember that these units can deep strike down on turn 1 then things could be interesting. Can you imagine over 100 Grey Knights materializing in the opponents deployment zone with no scatter on turn 1?!?! This followed up by getting powers off on a 3+! And if you were up against Deamons, well that could be entertaining. Too cool. Just need to finish off my Grey Knight Brotherhood... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307758-new-gk-formation/page/2/#findComment-4049395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everon Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 If an upcoming codex refresh gives us deep striking purifiers, tougher paladins, and make purgators relentless, I'll kiss the closest GW employee, whether they want it or not. Lol. It won't happen though. We've got a 7th edition codex, I'd be amazed if we're updated in 8th TBH. We went a long time between drinks between 3rd and 5th, and the same length of time between 5th and 7th. I'd expect us to be look at again in 9th, maybe tail end of 8th. Oh man this is a crushing thought. If I'm begging for anything, it's expansion and minor tweaks, including formations. The way 7th as gone, formations are so powerful. It's one thing to have a codex with strong units, but totally another to tie it to a strong formation. IE: Necrons + Mephrit = pretty darn good. Necrons + Decurion = I'll take my trophy now, k'thx. If it turns out true, that the Grey Knights don't see anything for a long time, I won't see expansion in unit choices, BUT if a formation or two come along, then this can add so much life to an army. I really hope GW sees this. I think of the Baal Campaign book as a perfect example of hitting 3 armies at once. Its for this very reason I've expanded codex I knights and switched my gk to my secondary. Knights are OK, the new formations, especially since most of them say 'any' knight, make them a serious force to contend with. All the new anti air and missle launchers help a bit. Crusader knight is the Emprahs wrath incarnation when he's got friends to protect him from melee. One can hope we get redone before 8th since there's only chaos, daemons, daemonkins, DA, sm, tau, and sob left to update before they hit the ig again, assuming they dont add more codex's, which they probably will Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307758-new-gk-formation/page/2/#findComment-4049728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deamon Wolf Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Mods sorry for turning this into a love in look this formation although COOOOOL will if you dont field anything else and roll a 1 or 2 and on the reroll dont get a 3+ will loose you the game silly 10k games only way to go with this formation oh wait done that all ready Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307758-new-gk-formation/page/2/#findComment-4049756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 It's worse. Unlike the NSF it isn't a first turn DS. So if you field just this formation, you auto lose turn 1. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307758-new-gk-formation/page/2/#findComment-4050440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Pretty sure in Apocalypse, rolling for Reserves starts on turn 1. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307758-new-gk-formation/page/2/#findComment-4050550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Yeah I mean, I'd honestly take a bunch of NSF stapled together instead of this formation. I get way more choice, and honestly all you miss out on is 3+ harness (which is nice but it's not worth the entry price) and the single roll for everyone. Which, remembering this is Apoc, you should have Allies (as in other players, because it's a multi-player format by definition) with Reserves manipulation. Comms Array is the tip of the iceberg, Apoc has a tonne of Reserves manipulation options. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307758-new-gk-formation/page/2/#findComment-4050633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Pretty sure in Apocalypse, rolling for Reserves starts on turn 1. This formation isn't just Apoc only, is it? Even if it weighs in around 4.5K base, it's still designed for 'normal' games? To be honest, the pic linked was a bit blurry, could have easily missed the Apoc Only stamp. Edit: And if you're playing Apoc, why aren't you using 4.5K points on only NDKs? Or Imperial Knights? Or Titans. When you can play 'Unbound' without stigma, there is zero reason to tie yourself down to this crappy Formation, just for a few meager bonuses totally ofset by the unit restrictions. Oh, I forgot. We're supposed to be Forging that Narative, and playing sub par lists just for the story... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307758-new-gk-formation/page/2/#findComment-4050648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emicus Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 I haven't seen anything about it being an apocalypse only formation; however, because of the points required to play it I think you'd be hard pressed to put it in any sort of normal game. Unless your gaming group have huuuuuge games! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307758-new-gk-formation/page/2/#findComment-4050705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Apoc IS 40k now. lol Look at the past 2-3 years. We take buildings, flyers, Gargantuan Creatures, Super Heavies, Lords of War.... the points value of games keeps going up, but the model count is nearly the same.... The only excuse for this formation is - the rest are nearly as goofy, and it's definitely a thematic formation, in spirit with the mini-campaign. Though what intrigues me about this is if this is a teaser to a larger campaign of daemons/chaos vs. the Imperium we keep hearing about (mostly as Tzeench vs Dark Angels). These conversations always make me pine away for the Eye of Terror Campaign days. Perhaps my favorite time in 40K gaming history. What an amazing event that was. If GW got off their butts and organized it again, today, it would amazing with all the changes to the game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307758-new-gk-formation/page/2/#findComment-4050732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Y'know I would actually pay cash money for a 13th Black Crusade reboot. It's canon it happened, and Abby is supposed to be pushing deep into the inner systems of the Imperium now (Segmentum Solar). Even if it was solely focused on Cadia, can you imagine the possibilities? Lost and the Damned mini-codex (ala Skitarii). Void missions (maybe GW could take a leaf out of FW's book and make something like Zone Mortalis). Massive daemonic incursion caused by the largest Traitor Legion invasion in history. I think the game can still function at lower levels, but only without game-distorting elements. GW used to keep Destroyer, Super Heavies etc to Apoc or huge games only. Now you can backdoor them in via Formations, or certain Allies (Knight-Titans etc), and squeeze them into 1500pt games without too much hassle. So yeah, I think more and more, 2k is gonna become the new baseline. The game is just too distorted below that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307758-new-gk-formation/page/2/#findComment-4050804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Oh yea, 13th Crusade was another awesome hobby moment. I can't understand why GW has never revisited that 'golden era' of the game. They want to invent new ways to make money? This is it. A global campaign with codexes tied in, and some fun rules. I realize some people really moaned some of the armies that came out of that campaign.... Eldar Portals running around, 13th company, etc. But man it was fun, and overall the hobby was on fire.... it worked on many levels. Hobbiests got new models, 'historians' got to live and contribute to a crusade, we got more fluff in the game, gamers got something to really play for... I think it's a win for everyone. I would definitely pay to get one of those rolling again... I'd pay in the form of the releases, books, etc. I loved and really miss that stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307758-new-gk-formation/page/2/#findComment-4050834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 It says it's an Apoc formation, just like all the other formations in that book. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307758-new-gk-formation/page/2/#findComment-4051437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Where? Somewhere else in the book? It's not on the GK page linked at the start of the thread. It's twice as useless as an Apoc only Formation then. Given the inbuilt 'unbound' nature of Apoc... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307758-new-gk-formation/page/2/#findComment-4051519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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