calvin the wraithlord Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Recently me and some friends have started a HH campaign, my initial yearning was to go Blood angels but as everyone started buying there models i felt abit left out as i had no special characters/units of my own, so i caved in and started Emperors children. Everything has been going well ive painted up afew bits including Fulgrim and as much as im enjoying it every time i see Sanguinius art etc i feel a huge pang regret. Ive got a pile of special EC units sitting and a ton of tacticals etc sitting, everything sprayed purple and ready to get painted properly, although it would not be to hard to re spray them red. Basically what im saying is do you guys think its worth it? Should i sell my EC unique units and respray the rest or stick with EC? How long do you guys recon it will be before we start seeing Blood angels rules and models? I mean on the one hand i dont want to go Blood angels and sink all that money into them if the campaigns over before i even get rules but on the other hand i dont want to spend any more on EC because i know when rules for Sang and other BA characters come out i will want to play them. Thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307761-in-need-of-opinion/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Speaking from my own experience and from seeing plenty of people here going through the same dilemma, I'd say either accept the Blood Angels are years away (they are) and do something different in the meantime or go all ahead full with the Blood Angels and do without the Legion specific bits and pieces that others enjoy. I don't know what sort of disposable income you have available to throw at a HH project and that will have a huge influence but I'd say there's going to be enough of a gap between now and when they are finally covered that you've got time to do something in the intervening period. Reliable estimates say that Vol VI will be sometime towards year end/spring 2016 and that's going to be followed by the long awaited Inferno, which depending on how quickly Vol VI is done and how quickly the model support catches up could be late 2016/early 2017 or if there's a significant deficit as there was after Extermination, then another volume may be released to allow them to catch up. Not an ideal scenario but given the alternative is a release schedule like GW, I'd take the long game. So at a bare minimum I'd say you're looking at late 2017/2018 before they're done For me personally, I wanted to do Night Lords but if they weren't going to be included in Massacre I'd have done something different until they were out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307761-in-need-of-opinion/#findComment-4046580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 They are planning to release upgrade kits for all legions asap now, hence why there was the White Scars kit on show this weekend. You wouldn't have rules but at least you could start building the army. I know where you're coming from, I have some SoH stuff I'm not really planning to use now, irritatingly. Luckily I can probably prise off the shoulder pads and use them for something else but I've still got some Reavers and their Contemptor. Damn being unable to make decisions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307761-in-need-of-opinion/#findComment-4046588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marine7312000 Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 I think it mainly depends of what EC specific units you have. The Palatine Blades and terminators can be easily re-purposed as Blood Angels. I love almost all of the models released by FW so far, but I seldom look at them as the unit they're designed to represent. Instead I try to determine how I can use the models to make something BA out of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307761-in-need-of-opinion/#findComment-4046606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvin the wraithlord Posted May 17, 2015 Author Share Posted May 17, 2015 So you guys recon probley 2016 at the earliest? I mean for now im content and income isent a huge issue as id just sell the EC if it came down to it, i just begrudge putting all the time and effort into building the EC up when BA could pop up out of no where, i feel id enjoy playing the BA more as i dislike playing a traitor legion and loyalist EC suck :P but again i think id get fed up just being generic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307761-in-need-of-opinion/#findComment-4046621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 2016 at the earliest for the rules probably. But you might get some stuff model wise earlier than that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307761-in-need-of-opinion/#findComment-4046622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marine7312000 Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 2016 at the earliest for the rules probably. But you might get some stuff model wise earlier than that. And this is why I keep putting off a big order from FW. I'd rather put one huge order in, and get a ton of stuff including BA MK 3 pads, than order bits and pieces. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307761-in-need-of-opinion/#findComment-4046624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvin the wraithlord Posted May 17, 2015 Author Share Posted May 17, 2015 Tbh the way forgeworld have released everything mind boggles me!!! Releasing rules without models and the rules for primarchs without legion rules seems very scattered, if its not going to be till 2016 tho i guess ill just stick with EC for now and watch fulgrim chop his way around the place Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307761-in-need-of-opinion/#findComment-4046626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 So you guys recon probley 2016 at the earliest? I mean for now im content and income isent a huge issue as id just sell the EC if it came down to it, i just begrudge putting all the time and effort into building the EC up when BA could pop up out of no where, i feel id enjoy playing the BA more as i dislike playing a traitor legion and loyalist EC suck but again i think id get fed up just being generic The earliest we could conceivably see them is Holiday season this year; with book 3 and 4 coming out in the same Year (3 late spring, early summer and 4 Late autumn, early winter) it seems like they might be trying to pump out two books a year. Since we've just got book 5 and people who have talked with Alan say the 2nd part of Calth may not be book 6, thats the earliest I'm willing to put the Blood Angles making an appearance. That said, reports say Alan also wants the Studio to pump out some Basic Upgrade Kits for the Yet-to-be-done Legions along with a RoW that wouldn't require their Legion Specific Units; something to tide you over so that you could still have something Recognizably Blood Angels without their In-Book units and Gear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307761-in-need-of-opinion/#findComment-4046633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Tbh the way forgeworld have released everything mind boggles me!!! Releasing rules without models and the rules for primarchs without legion rules seems very scattered, if its not going to be till 2016 tho i guess ill just stick with EC for now and watch fulgrim chop his way around the place There aren't any rules for Primarchs without their respective legion rules. And models for everything with rules is coming, at some point. They've finally seen the sense in releasing at least the upgrade kits for every legion though, I'm stoked about the White Scars stuff. Can start them earlier than planned. Actually, not sure how good that is really... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307761-in-need-of-opinion/#findComment-4046635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Tbh the way forgeworld have released everything mind boggles me!!! Releasing rules without models and the rules for primarchs without legion rules seems very scattered, if its not going to be till 2016 tho i guess ill just stick with EC for now and watch fulgrim chop his way around the place They havent released a Primarch sans-Legion as far as I know. Book 5 Was released this weekend along with Gulliman which includes everything Ultramarines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307761-in-need-of-opinion/#findComment-4046638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvin the wraithlord Posted May 17, 2015 Author Share Posted May 17, 2015 Tbh the way forgeworld have released everything mind boggles me!!! Releasing rules without models and the rules for primarchs without legion rules seems very scattered, if its not going to be till 2016 tho i guess ill just stick with EC for now and watch fulgrim chop his way around the place They havent released a Primarch sans-Legion as far as I know. Book 5 Was released this weekend along with Gulliman which includes everything Ultramarines. Is there rules for the iron warriors and stuff ive missed? :o silly me, see i recon i could deal no having the legion specific stuff as long as i had the ROW etc as you mentioned, the question is when will it all be out? Am i as well just waiting and using EC in the mean time, or just throwing my lot in and leaving it up to "fate" i just really dont want to be the only guy thats basically vanilla Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307761-in-need-of-opinion/#findComment-4046660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 So far there rules for Sons of Horus, Death Guard, World Eaters, Emperors Children, Iron Hands, Word Bearers, Night Lords, Salamanders, Alpha Legion, Imperial Fists, Iron Warriors, Raven Guard, and Ultramarines, and their Primarchs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307761-in-need-of-opinion/#findComment-4046671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
infyrana Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Make what makes you happy... use the PotL list, minimise numbers of troops you require to get a functioning army now. Grab the legion generic stuff (tanks, transports, flyers, dreads etc), make a few of the troops (ie vets) with standard armour now and basic HQ. When the legion specific stuff comes, you can flesh out your troops and HQ with any upgrade kits, add in any special units, and voila, fully grown army. Just leave off the left shoulder and guns if you so wish. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307761-in-need-of-opinion/#findComment-4046675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marine7312000 Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 I am waiting to get fully into the heresy until I can get rules for BA. At the end of the day its up to you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307761-in-need-of-opinion/#findComment-4046677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvin the wraithlord Posted May 17, 2015 Author Share Posted May 17, 2015 So we're just waiting on , White scars, Dark angels, Blood angels, Thousand Sons and the wolves of russ? see when its written down like that it makes me eel like the BA could be just around the corner Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307761-in-need-of-opinion/#findComment-4046678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 I think too many people lose sight of the fact that whilst the Legions had their share of "specialisation" and distinctive flavour, they were the exceptions not the rules. The overwhelming majority of each Legion were the tactical squads with sizeable elements of everything else thrown in for good measure. There's absolutely nothing Vanilla about taking the generic Legion stuff. I think the only Legion that would truly struggle would be the Wolves given how individualistic they are but again, there's plenty of pieces floating around that can suffice to do some converting in the short/medium term then keep the FW kits for veterans/centrepieces. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307761-in-need-of-opinion/#findComment-4046682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvin the wraithlord Posted May 17, 2015 Author Share Posted May 17, 2015 Make what makes you happy... use the PotL list, minimise numbers of troops you require to get a functioning army now. Grab the legion generic stuff (tanks, transports, flyers, dreads etc), make a few of the troops (ie vets) with standard armour now and basic HQ. When the legion specific stuff comes, you can flesh out your troops and HQ with any upgrade kits, add in any special units, and voila, fully grown army. Just leave off the left shoulder and guns if you so wish. Its more the idea of being the only guy with generic units, one i feel it puts me at a bit of a disadvantage and two id feel abit bland Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307761-in-need-of-opinion/#findComment-4046683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 So we're just waiting on , White scars, Dark angels, Blood angels, Thousand Sons and the wolves of russ? see when its written down like that it makes me eel like the BA could be just around the corner Yeah. But then there could also be 1/2 prospero books, Thramus, shadow crusade, any number of Conquest-esque books between now and then... Even Alan Bligh doesn't know what book is next, so it's still up in the air. They could be the end of this year, or they could be the end of next year. Or the year after. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307761-in-need-of-opinion/#findComment-4046685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvin the wraithlord Posted May 17, 2015 Author Share Posted May 17, 2015 I think too many people lose sight of the fact that whilst the Legions had their share of "specialisation" and distinctive flavour, they were the exceptions not the rules. The overwhelming majority of each Legion were the tactical squads with sizeable elements of everything else thrown in for good measure. There's absolutely nothing Vanilla about taking the generic Legion stuff. I think the only Legion that would truly struggle would be the Wolves given how individualistic they are but again, there's plenty of pieces floating around that can suffice to do some converting in the short/medium term then keep the FW kits for veterans/centrepieces. I like your thinking man, im just a damn sucker for fancy units and special characters!! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307761-in-need-of-opinion/#findComment-4046686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 So we're just waiting on , White scars, Dark angels, Blood angels, Thousand Sons and the wolves of russ? see when its written down like that it makes me eel like the BA could be just around the corner I know that feeling but there's zero chance of them being next and only a small one of them getting into Vol VII. I think the howls of outrage from the VI Legion fanboys would be too much to take otherwise Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307761-in-need-of-opinion/#findComment-4046687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvin the wraithlord Posted May 17, 2015 Author Share Posted May 17, 2015 So we're just waiting on , White scars, Dark angels, Blood angels, Thousand Sons and the wolves of russ? see when its written down like that it makes me eel like the BA could be just around the corner I know that feeling but there's zero chance of them being next and only a small one of them getting into Vol VII. I think the howls of outrage from the VI Legion fanboys would be too much to take otherwise I think your very right there!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307761-in-need-of-opinion/#findComment-4046690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 I think too many people lose sight of the fact that whilst the Legions had their share of "specialisation" and distinctive flavour, they were the exceptions not the rules. The overwhelming majority of each Legion were the tactical squads with sizeable elements of everything else thrown in for good measure. There's absolutely nothing Vanilla about taking the generic Legion stuff. I think the only Legion that would truly struggle would be the Wolves given how individualistic they are but again, there's plenty of pieces floating around that can suffice to do some converting in the short/medium term then keep the FW kits for veterans/centrepieces. I like your thinking man, im just a damn sucker for fancy units and special characters!! Who isn't As it stands, there's quite a few pieces of EC/UM and IF kit than can do a sterling job for the BA. I'd look at ways of using them. After all even when the BA kit does come out, it's very unlikely that there'll be 2/3 unique unit kits and an upgrade kit. TBH I was shocked that the UMs got 2 upgrade kits and a full one on the way to themselves so maybe there'll be a BA kit and an upgrade set to reflect that they've got some seriously ornate armour Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307761-in-need-of-opinion/#findComment-4046693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvin the wraithlord Posted May 17, 2015 Author Share Posted May 17, 2015 I think too many people lose sight of the fact that whilst the Legions had their share of "specialisation" and distinctive flavour, they were the exceptions not the rules. The overwhelming majority of each Legion were the tactical squads with sizeable elements of everything else thrown in for good measure. There's absolutely nothing Vanilla about taking the generic Legion stuff. I think the only Legion that would truly struggle would be the Wolves given how individualistic they are but again, there's plenty of pieces floating around that can suffice to do some converting in the short/medium term then keep the FW kits for veterans/centrepieces. I like your thinking man, im just a damn sucker for fancy units and special characters!! Who isn't As it stands, there's quite a few pieces of EC/UM and IF kit than can do a sterling job for the BA. I'd look at ways of using them. After all even when the BA kit does come out, it's very unlikely that there'll be 2/3 unique unit kits and an upgrade kit. TBH I was shocked that the UMs got 2 upgrade kits and a full one on the way to themselves so maybe there'll be a BA kit and an upgrade set to reflect that they've got some seriously ornate armour Im terrible for it man, always running useless IC's for there fluff :P i play GKs and run Crowe for god sake!! :P I think id probley sell my Phoenix terms pala blades and the (terrible) Noise marine guys for some extra money to get a flyer and some drop pods, i can atleast try and play like BA if i decide to go for it, just kit out a generic HQ and call him azkaellon :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307761-in-need-of-opinion/#findComment-4046701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
infyrana Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Its more the idea of being the only guy with generic units, one i feel it puts me at a bit of a disadvantage and two id feel abit bland Yup, I own Typhon, a squad of Deathshroud and Grave Wardens, plus a few torsos and heads DG specific. But everything else is pure legion generic. Sure, I could run the RoW The Reaping, and have the option of legion specific rules / scythes, but everything else is standard. The core of my force consists of tacticals, breachers, contemptors, sicarans and a deredeo - nothing legion specific there at all. But sure, I know what you mean, at least I have the option of having the legion specific stuff available, but at the end of the day it's as above - the exception not the rule. I look at the IF breachers and Stone Gauntlet, see the new UM elite shield bearers, the Sala' pyrocasts, RG Moritat special char and some other bits and get very jealous/disheartened too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307761-in-need-of-opinion/#findComment-4046749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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