Xenith Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 So, this is more out of curiosity than anything. It;s been almost 6 months since the release of the BA codex, and the Sield of Baal series. How are people faring with the datasheets and formations? Has anyone used them? I find myself rather mysteriosly drawn to the Archangels formations, in particular the Orbital Intervention Force, and will probably paint one up soon. Has anyone tried out a game or two using the Archangels? How did you fare? Is the Demi Company all that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I'm finding I'm gravitating more towards the Flesh Tearers Strike force over a Baal Strike Force. Whilst I haven't really missed the BSF bonuses, I can't say I've used the FTSF ones apart from the FOC changes. Cassor is finding his way into my DC themed lists but only because he's a Troop choice. Haven't really used much else yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrunTeufel Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I'm finding I'm gravitating more towards the Flesh Tearers Strike force over a Baal Strike Force. Whilst I haven't really missed the BSF bonuses, I can't say I've used the FTSF ones apart from the FOC changes. Cassor is finding his way into my DC themed lists but only because he's a Troop choice. Haven't really used much else yet. Same here. FTSF is great for people like me who wants to play jump,bike heavy lists without going unbound. I actually managed to win a tourney last week with the detachment. 10" charge rage bonus is a little treat on the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted May 21, 2015 Author Share Posted May 21, 2015 However the FT don't get Red Thirst, do they? Is the trade off on +1I worth the extra FA slots? For bikes and melta cide, I guess so. I'm thinking of combining the orbital intervention force with the scouts I've just painted up... 15 - 30 terminators deep striking in T2 then running, and shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrunTeufel Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 However the FT don't get Red Thirst, do they? Is the trade off on +1I worth the extra FA slots? For bikes and melta cide, I guess so. I'm thinking of combining the orbital intervention force with the scouts I've just painted up... 15 - 30 terminators deep striking in T2 then running, and shooting. +1I is nice but it is nothing compared to a hard and fast hitting force with minimal troop tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riot Earp Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I´ve used the Flesh Tearers Strike force with great succes. In the first the only one troop tax is gold for me. Buy one hq and cheap scouts and fill the rest with great units and allies. In additon 6 Fast Attack slots are verry strong. you can spam Bikesquads (with Grav or melta), Meltacide Squads, Razorbacks to make Razorspam viable and Assault Squads. Here is a List i want to try out. Its like kinda heavy mech list as in the old days. Pro. you dont have to man the razorbacks. Blood Angels (Flesh Tearers Strike Force, Primary detachment)__- Shield of Baal: Exterminatus---------- HQ (2) ----------Librarian Dreadnought (220 points)- Warlord- Psyker Mastery Level 2- Heavy Flamer- Drop Pod__- Storm BolterTechmarine (90 points)- Servo-harness- Power Axe- Bolt Pistol---------- Troops (1) ----------10x Tactical Squad (205 points)- Meltagun- Heavy Flamer- Sergeant__- Bolt Pistol__- Ranged Weapon____- Combi-melta- Drop Pod__- Storm Bolter---------- Elite (3) ----------Furioso Dreadnought (165 points)- Power Fist & Frag Cannon- Meltagun- Magna-Grapple- Drop Pod__- Storm BolterFurioso Dreadnought (165 points)- Power Fist & Frag Cannon- Meltagun- Magna-Grapple- Drop Pod__- Storm BolterFurioso Dreadnought (165 points)- Power Fist & Frag Cannon- Meltagun- Magna-Grapple- Drop Pod__- Storm Bolter---------- Fast Attack (5) ----------Razorback (85 points)- Twin-linked Assault CannonRazorback (85 points)- Twin-linked Assault CannonRazorback (85 points)- Lascannon & twin-linked Plasma GunRazorback (85 points)- Lascannon & twin-linked Plasma GunRazorback (85 points)- Lascannon & twin-linked Plasma Gun---------- Heavy Support (3) ----------Relic Sicarian Battle Tank (155 points)- Heavy Bolter sponsonsBaal Predator (135 points)- Twin-linked Assault Cannon- Heavy Bolter sponsonsPredator (125 points)- Autocannon- Lascannon Sponsons- Overcharged Engines______________________________________________1850 points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 However the FT don't get Red Thirst, do they? Is the trade off on +1I worth the extra FA slots? A lot of the time it is. Plenty of armies are I3 or below meaning that Red Thirst gives no extra benefit. Orks, Necrons, humans, Tau. Red thirst is worth it against other Marines and possibly against basic Eldar where I5 means you will be striking simultaneously with Aspect Warriors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 However the FT don't get Red Thirst, do they? Is the trade off on +1I worth the extra FA slots? A lot of the time it is. Plenty of armies are I3 or below meaning that Red Thirst gives no extra benefit. Orks, Necrons, humans, Tau. Red thirst is worth it against other Marines and possibly against basic Eldar where I5 means you will be striking simultaneously with Aspect Warriors. Not only that but there are times when your list isn't geared for assault which renders the INT bonus somewhat redundant. The FTSF is great for themed lists such as mech lists due to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Personally I'd usually always go BSF as I love DC! Fast attack doesn't let me take anymore and they already have rage, so don't gain anything for the high charge roll. 3 FA slots is limiting, but two melta-cide and a grav bike squad should be sufficient at midrange points levels I think. As for our exclusive formations and such, I just think most of them are too limiting and don't offer enough to be worth it. Hopefully your Demi-Company comment was a joke, it's a formation that literally offers nothing. You can do everything it does with a normal BSF, with none of the restrictions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 The only purpose I can find for the Demi-Company is as a requirement to take Dante's Avenging Host. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain Angel Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I like the Demi-co for the fluff, but other than that, it has no purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Closet Skeleton Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Except the Demi-Company isn't all that fluffy because the actual Astartes armies are supposed to be Demi-Company + Armoury and Scout/Veteran/Reserve Company support (AKA a standard Force Org chart), not just half a company on its own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted May 22, 2015 Author Share Posted May 22, 2015 Hopefully your Demi-Company comment was a joke, it's a formation that literally offers nothing. You can do everything it does with a normal BSF, with none of the restrictions! Well, the troops get objective secured? I just realised how good Dante's Avenging company is, because every model gets ObSec, not just troop choices... I'd love to be able to field the demi company for fluff reasons, but it's just not worth it. I'm looking at the Archangels, haha, just for funsies. I'm competitive, as in I play to win, but wont be at tournies, likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Demi company only gets red thirst and a reroll on warlord trait, same as BSF :( Avenging host is awesome for the right games though for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiamsShadow Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I personally have been having wonderful fun with the 'Archangels Sanguine Wing' formation. Considering I've had a love affair with Sternguard since 5th, and loved the idea of Vanguards (but never had any reason to use them due to meta) This lets me have all the fun I want, with the units I want, for less. Clocking in at 940 points due to the 4 Storm Shields I give to each vet squad for that 3++ goodness. Often accompany the Stormraven and Sternguard with a libby or libby dread (sometimes both). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Last game was with a FTST and my Warlord was a Chaplain who was with some Death Company. Rolled on the FT Warlord Trait table (honestly, it seemed like the best option given my army) and received FnP. Quite happy with that. Still not pulled off a 10+ roll for charge distance though! I also used Strike Force Mortalis with MSU DC and I have to say I LOVE it. Each DC gets six attacks on the charge and the DC Dreadnoughts get seven? Just don't multicharge or charge two things at one unit otherwise you don't get the bonus... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Is Mortalis good then? When you say MSU how many guys in each squad? :O I'm super keep to try it myself seeing as it's one of the only formations I'll have the models for :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bukimimaru Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Glad to see the Mortalis formation getting some love. Maybe give us a Batrep sometime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Is Mortalis good then? When you say MSU how many guys in each squad? I'm super keep to try it myself seeing as it's one of the only formations I'll have the models for Three squads of five. Two in Rhinos and one in a Stormraven. One power weapon in each. Glad to see the Mortalis formation getting some love. Maybe give us a Batrep sometime? I made notes, so one should appear on my blog later this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 Yes, keen to see how they go! I have assembled 2.5 terminator squads, so want to try the archangels sometime! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Battle report using Strike Force Mortalis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted June 23, 2015 Author Share Posted June 23, 2015 Sweet, I'll have a look. I'm keen to try this too, with the white scars trick for multiple hit and run DC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Reviving this seems appropriate as I now have a fair few terminators. I think I have enough tacticals (so 15) to make the Archangels Intervention Force. 3 Squads of Terms deep strike at the same time and all get to run then shoot, not bad if you ask me. What do people think of this? Could it work? Also - can you attach characters in terminator Armour to these squads? I know that this could stop them from running, but otherwise could work - having a captain/ Librarian with Stormshield to tank AP2 etc. If It sucks I'll probably just use them as allied Wolf Terminators anyway, as they're a little better with combi's, WS5 and such. Update: flicking through my codex and I see vanilla terms are now 35 points. What even. That is very depressing. That's basically a free cyclone missile launcher... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share Posted September 28, 2015 In my opinion, you can attach an IC to these units no problem, and not lose any of their special rules. I love the idea of the intervention force - My one is packing a flamer for the deepstrike, move, then roast. Also note that these squads can be 10 strong, so you can drop 30 TH/SS termies in T2 if you like. I'd combine it with a cheap 3 pod list, 2x meltacide 1x dread to get some locator beacons on the table, then Karlaen for reserve manipulation, otherwise a librarian with the veritas rolling on sneaky traits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 True, but I only have 15 terms :P I quite like the MSU appeal too. I might go for two Tac terms and one assault with a couple of TH and some LC. Second the idea of Meltacide etc. I'm not sold on IC being able to run with them, maybe, I doubt people would cry foul either... And some FNP would go a long way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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