Marshal Rohr Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Could anyone with Tempest provide a breakdown of the UM Organization beyond what we know from KNF? The pictures Atia posted showed Captain, Centurion, and Lieutenants, if Im reading the pixelated words correctly. Does this mean the Companies each have 10 Centuries, etc? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308046-ultramarines-organization/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramell Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 I would also very much like to know this. That's the main thing in Tempest I've been waiting for, and I won't get my copy until some time next week. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308046-ultramarines-organization/#findComment-4055098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 25 chapters - 250,000 legionaries  each lead by a chapter master, each chapter had ~10,000 marines each chapter had 10 companies, each with 1,000 marines, commanded by a captain  tetrachs were military dictators of the five king worlds of ultramar  each chapter was more or less a mini legion and an allrounder-formation, with a few exceptions (4th, the Aurorans, loved tanks; and 22nd, the Nemesis, loved destroyers)    special formations:  Evocatii (new recruits, garisson duties)  Invictarii (veteran cadre, Suzerains were the Primarchs and Tetrachs honour guard)  Vigil Opertii (kind of space marine police) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308046-ultramarines-organization/#findComment-4055237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 I thought the Vigil Opertii were humans not marines? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308046-ultramarines-organization/#findComment-4055238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 I thought the Vigil Opertii were humans not marines? augmented humans, under the command of a legatus, and kind of part of the ultramarines (if i read it right) here: "... Little is recorded of their internal organisation, save that the warriors who made up their forces were at their core a body of augmented humans .... legatus ... was placed at the head of the Vigil Opertii .." i guess it was a mix of "normal augmented dudes" and some Marines, under the command of their Legatus also: back in 1st edition, there were a space marine field police - i guess it's a draw back to them :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308046-ultramarines-organization/#findComment-4055240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 *sigh* I was hoping that Forge World would do away with Abnett's 10k Chapters. As far as I am concerned, there should be 250 Chapters, not 25. It feels like a legitimization of the 'apocrypha,' whose original falseness should be made more apparent, not less. Â It's mostly because of the old fan reliance on a piece of fluff that that the setting itself views as false or inaccurate, but still. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308046-ultramarines-organization/#findComment-4055248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stofficus Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Also, the Invictarus Suzerains exist outside the chain of normal command - most being part of the retinue of the Tetrarchs and Guilliman, and vary enormously in size from the smallest force being 100, to the largest of over 1000. In truth, a great deal less of what we are familiar with the "Codex Astartes" is present than I expected, aside from a few naming conventions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308046-ultramarines-organization/#findComment-4055267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 20th chapter: "the eagles", void combat specialists 21th chapter: "the hawks", great pilots Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308046-ultramarines-organization/#findComment-4055271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Aha, a connection to the Hawk Lords found! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308046-ultramarines-organization/#findComment-4055276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 I'm confused, Conn. What apocrypha? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308046-ultramarines-organization/#findComment-4055279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 The one that lays the groundwork for the 2nd founding, I believe? Or maybe its Ultra's successors only. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308046-ultramarines-organization/#findComment-4055284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 I'm confused, Conn. What apocrypha? The Apocrypha of Skaros and the Apocrypha of Davio, of which the fact that they were called apocrypha seemed to have been missed by a rather vocal, unbending element of the fanbase that were prevalent in B&C for a time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308046-ultramarines-organization/#findComment-4055286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Aha, a connection to the Hawk Lords found! and to the Eagle Warriors :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308046-ultramarines-organization/#findComment-4055290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Conn, I dont think having 10K is that bad a thing either really, because like we know, eventually some of the Chapters get blown out, down to a pitiful 1000 marines and there are not that many 2nd founding successors out there.  There's going to need to be a pretty huge cull of the marines, I think the scale of destruction will need to be immense. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308046-ultramarines-organization/#findComment-4055296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Conn, I dont think having 10K is that bad a thing either really, because like we know, eventually some of the Chapters get blown out, down to a pitiful 1000 marines and there are not that many 2nd founding successors out there. Â There's going to need to be a pretty huge cull of the marines, I think the scale of destruction will need to be immense. You might be misunderstanding me, or I'm misunderstanding you, but I don't actually want the Apocrypha to be right, or even close to right. Not because I am against that lore, I love that lore, but its misrepresentation by those certain fans. Â So I'd rather it not be that those 10k drop to ~1k and become 25 or fewer Chapters. I wanted 250 Legion Chapters to drop down to a hundred or so 2nd Founding Chapters. Â That said, the Grey Knight Codex still allows my preference. According to it, if I am recalling correctly, there were 400 Chapters created in the 2nd Founding, of which the Ultramarines are the greatest majority. So if that ridiculously inaccurate mindset crops up, I have a source at hand to smack it back down where it belongs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308046-ultramarines-organization/#findComment-4055311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted May 23, 2015 Author Share Posted May 23, 2015 Highly disappointing their isn't more detail, but understandable, since no Legion has been given a full TO&E so far. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308046-ultramarines-organization/#findComment-4055334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Â I'm confused, Conn. What apocrypha? The Apocrypha of Skaros and the Apocrypha of Davio, of which the fact that they were called apocrypha seemed to have been missed by a rather vocal, unbending element of the fanbase that were prevalent in B&C for a time. Â Â Gotcha. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308046-ultramarines-organization/#findComment-4055407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Is there a Unification-Era scheme for the Ultra's? The world needs to know. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308046-ultramarines-organization/#findComment-4055457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 They were pink with rainbow striped shoulder pads. O_O Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308046-ultramarines-organization/#findComment-4055460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Is there a Unification-Era scheme for the Ultra's? The world needs to know. Â Um... no. There's a Destroyer scheme that would fool someone simply flicking through but no, there isn't a Unification-Era scheme in Tempest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308046-ultramarines-organization/#findComment-4055472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308046-ultramarines-organization/#findComment-4055474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Â Â Is there a Unification-Era scheme for the Ultra's? The world needs to know. Um... no. There's a Destroyer scheme that would fool someone simply flicking through but no, there isn't a Unification-Era scheme in Tempest. It mentions that their unification scheme was storm grey and gunmetal but individual companies took on additions to that livery, the example being the companies who fought in the purgation of the Canceri Nebula had black gauntlets, a midnight blue helm and weighing scales and deaths head iconography. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308046-ultramarines-organization/#findComment-4055478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 They were pink with rainbow striped shoulder pads. O_O Â Â Is there a Unification-Era scheme for the Ultra's? The world needs to know. Um... no. There's a Destroyer scheme that would fool someone simply flicking through but no, there isn't a Unification-Era scheme in Tempest. It mentions that their unification scheme was storm grey and gunmetal but individual companies took on additions to that livery, the example being the companies who fought in the purgation of the Canceri Nebula had black gauntlets, a midnight blue helm and weighing scales and deaths head iconography. Â Are there any chapters (in 40k) with those kinds of colors and iconography? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308046-ultramarines-organization/#findComment-4055480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 I'm not sure, but I am guessing that that's where a lot of the second founding colours came from. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308046-ultramarines-organization/#findComment-4055485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 If it makes you feel any better... the Destroyer marine has Terran markings and looks a lot like it could be a Unification-era scheme. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308046-ultramarines-organization/#findComment-4055487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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