Yes, its another one of these. But i know you all love them

[Fairstrife1138]

Afternoon Chaps and Chapettes. 

I have been a long time love of 30k, and a long time stalker of this forum. Locally, my gaming groups and local clubs do not play 30k, or have anyone interested in playing it. They love the lore and fluff, but just not up for FW prices and shenanigans, 

Now however, i have found a group of 3 or 4 people that do play a little further afield and i would like to join them. :D

My 40k, as it stands at the moment, is a small Ork army, not worth much at all. Iv been much more into Fantasy in the last couple of years. Last Marine army was a very awesome Plague Marine army that i intend to resurrect entirely when they get an update. But i have just waffed about 150 on the new Skitarii, if nothing else because they look awesome. And iv seen what people on Facebook and a such have done and loved it. 

So this will be a foray into 30k, for which i am excited. But, as per usual, i am struggling for a Legion to find. 

So if i give you a little back story on what i love, what i dont, and how i play, maybe you guys can help me pin down the exact Legion for me. 

Firstly, i am not THAT bothered whether it is Loyal or Heretical, there is a good split in the guys and gals locally so im not bothered much. But the benefit for a Traitor Legion is that you COULD use MOST of it as a Loyalist faction for the most part if needed. 

So, couple of things that i love. 

I love a kickass and hard to kill Primarch. Not necessarily unkillable, but just tough as. Manus, Vulkan, Guilliman, Mortarion etc etc
I love HQ models that have real character and fluff to them. Sigismund, Eidolon, Ventanus, Raldoran, Khârn, etc. 
I love Legion specific troops that look kick ass and are good on the table.
I love the idea of a Legion 'Specialising' the Legion in one way or another, but i also want it to still feel like a complete Legion. 
I prefer a balanced theme, i always try and have a strong anvil and an equally strong hammer. 
Allies, Mechanicum, SA, Knights, all good. 

Things im not a massive fan of. 
Super heavies, just feel a bit of a waste.
Spamming the same units. 
20 man Tactical squads.
Legions without rules unless a decent argument is put forward haha


I usually play a defensive themed army, with a couple distractions/ harrassers, plus a decent hammer delivered nicely. 

Legions that i pretty much wont do, Salamanders (One, i dont like the Pyroclast models, even though Vulkan and the Firedrakes make me want to pee with excite), Sons of Horus (MIGHT do Luna Wolves, but meh), Word Bearers, (As im trying to convince a friend to do them)

I think thats it for now, i may harass and badger more when i think about it more. Thanks guys and girls. 

 
 

[Father Mehman]

My vote would go for the Death Guard, but not because I love them or anything like that ! They have great fluff and, I think, a nice ruleset.

Their Primarch, Mortarion, is tough as nails and, plus, he has a huge battle scythe. His elite bodyguard, the Deathshroud Terminators, also carry these battle scythes. They're good for taking out a lot of models in base contact with them and they also look the part of the Death Guard super-soldier. For HQ models, we have Calas Typhon. He's a tank in combat and you know he's destined for great things (I guess that's debatable).

Besides the Deathshroud Terminators, we also can boast Grave Warden Terminators amongst our ranks. Want to destroy your enemies with prohibited Alchem weapons? Look no further, we have you covered! Speaking of weaponry that can destroy the ecosystem and other Astartes, why not utilize the army-specific Rite of War: The Reaping? You'll be able to take Rad Grenades on any Character (including Sergeants) for a small fee.

One of the downsides you listed was the 20 man Tactical Squads. Have no fear! The fluffiest thing you can do is to take 14 marines as seven is the holy number of Nurgle. What I personally do is take a 20 man squad of marines and then add on an Apothecary. That way, my guys get a Feel No Pain save and the number of the squad equals 21 Astartes. It covers two fluff points in one go !

Have a think about the Death Guard over a cup of tea. You can run them as Loyalist or Traitor- no matter. The great thing hobby-wise for me was finally breaking out of the "prime it all black" mentality. The shoulder pauldrons and bolter still get the black primer so my fix for my beloved undercoat is sated.

[infyrana]

Death Guard, sporting a PotL list with terminators as mainstay to avoid those 20man squads.  You can 'integrate' them as early traitors in your future 40k PM army.  Tough primarch, fluffy chars and lots of us like Crysos.  Allie in either Castellax through the use of Praevians or allie a Legio Cybernetica list.

[Kor'Vesh]

Yeah, Death Guard make a lot of sense for you, particularly given your plans to work up your plague marine army at a later date.

 

I mean, Salamanders obviously have similarities to DG, so I was thinking they'd be another good option for you - but you said no, so I'll suggest Iron Hands as another alternative. The lack the non-primarch character model that you get with Death Guard, and the immortals aren't amazing on the table, but the basic infantry kits are stunning, gorgons rock, and you have strong hammer and anvil tactic with the likes of Orth. Also they are big and obvious allies with the mechanicum.

 

But really - the pyroclast models are stunning in the flesh. Vulkan needs another son!

[SalvationOfReason]

why not Iron Warriors? Tough b*stards, slowly advancing until their foes are ground to nothing before them. Some good characters, and can easily go Loyalist or Traitor. Plus if you hop back to 40k, splash in a few demon engines and your force is good to go, thematically.

 

Oh and IWs have a sweet helmet upgrade set ^^

And they have a good motto too "Iron Within, Iron Without"

[Stofficus]

I'll reinforce the Death Guard suggestion here. 

They make for an awesome looking, and reasonably effective Terminator force - with two unique terminator units, a terminator character and a Primarch of "Try to kill me, I dare you," and combined with their unique RoW which hands out Rad Grenades to every Sgt, you could have a hell of a force. You'd still be stuck filling 2 compulsory troops (you can swap the RoW for Pride of Legion for standard termies - no Rad Grenades, but you've got plenty of poison weapons and good rules otherwise), but with Deathshroud as Elite and Grave Wardens as Heavy, you can really cram in lots of powerful, durable units, footslogging the Death Guard way. 

 

Chances are too as the Heresy progresses, we'll see more Plague-y units for the Death Guard, much like the proto-Noise Marines for the traitor Emperor's Children. It just takes longer for the Death Guard to be truly damned. 

[The Nephilim]

Not a fan of 20 man tacticals? Throw 'em in a Storm Eagle and give them all the additional close-combat weapon/chainsword, with a tooled up sergeant, and watch the "This is Sparta!" ensue.

[shandwen]

For the loyalists you could go for Imperial Fists. A good defensive army with a few great hammer units. Their special breachers are tough, and Dorn isn't horrible (there are better primarchs, but he does his job... darn unwieldly...).

[depthcharge12]

Ironically I was going to mention death guard too lol.

 

Good solid infantry with hammer units. You may want to try an arty park idea. Take a few medusas and even throw on phosphex rounds for extra nastiness :devil:

 

Or you could run IWs with Khr Valyn or another warsmith. Play super defensive (which is fluffy) and take a hammer unit like the Tyrant terminators - cyclone missile launchers for dayz!!!

 

One last idea would be a Solar Auxilia unit. They can all use aegis defense lines as DTs. You can have a great counter assault like Charonite Ogryns. Spam tanks or Malcadors as you please.

[Fairstrife1138]

Wow thanks for the replies guys. That's been awesome to read all of them.

 

I did see the first two replies and was like 'hmm not sure I want two Plague armies so to speak'

 

But then reading that in a couple years probably get 30k nurgle marines and a daemon Mortarion, it's properly set my mind a flame with ideas.

 

My 40k plague marine army is literally bodies. Hence why I didn't really want to do 20 man tactical squads, but with a defensive tank line, a Praevin and some mech, and maybe some SA before typhoon gets hold of them ;) would be an awesome idea.

 

Visually fantastic army no doubt.

 

 

Imperial Fists is another army that caught my eye, specifically all the talk on here of Templar hammers and Phalanx Anvils. Very cool idea. And Pollux and Sigismund are both fantastic. But Dorn is a real let down. And the army is a pain to paint.

 

I have been looking a lot at Emperors Children, they are certainly pretty and happy and smiley. But their rules are a bit of a bum ache to try and use effectively.

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

The Legion For You thread pinned at the top of this forum was made to keep these kinds of posts from clogging up the board. If you make a decision and wish to continue on in this thread with your chosen Legion, that's fine. If you still need help making a decision, then you should continue this in the pinned thread.

[Leonite]

Wow thanks for the replies guys. That's been awesome to read all of them.

I did see the first two replies and was like 'hmm not sure I want two Plague armies so to speak'

But then reading that in a couple years probably get 30k nurgle marines and a daemon Mortarion, it's properly set my mind a flame with ideas.

My 40k plague marine army is literally bodies. Hence why I didn't really want to do 20 man tactical squads, but with a defensive tank line, a Praevin and some mech, and maybe some SA before typhoon gets hold of them would be an awesome idea.

Visually fantastic army no doubt.

Imperial Fists is another army that caught my eye, specifically all the talk on here of Templar hammers and Phalanx Anvils. Very cool idea. And Pollux and Sigismund are both fantastic. But Dorn is a real let down. And the army is a pain to paint.

I have been looking a lot at Emperors Children, they are certainly pretty and happy and smiley. But their rules are a bit of a bum ache to try and use effectively.

If your army is all bodies already (Opposite problem to my chaos army)... why not take an army with a nice big Jetbike unit? Iron Hands are supposed to work good with that as when being shot at Jetbikes have an effective Toughness of 6 in their army, and it wouldn't be hard to make them traitors either if you wanted, say, some Tzeentchian Bikers in your army. Plus, give them a Primus Medicae too, and they have Toughness 5 all the time with FNP. Put this in a Death Guard army with a Power Scythe, letting them use their massive base size to hit a lot of targets... and you have on hell of a hammer unit.

[Fairstrife1138]

Sorry bud.

 

Moving this over to the Pinned Thread.