Afc24 Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Hi guys!! So I am preparing a 2k army list for a tournament in couple weeks time and would like some help on what you think about this/these lists. Restrictions are no allies, no Lord of war and can only use norm FOC and formations in codex. So here we go:- HQ- Libby ML3, Storm Bolter and halberd Troops- 3 groups of 10 termies Justicar - halberd 2 x psycannons 4 x halberds 1 x hammer 1 x sword 1 x falchions Justicar - halberd 2 x hammer 3 x halberds 2 x psycannons 2 x swords justicar - halberd 1 x sword 2 x hammer 2 x psycannon 4 x halberd Fast attack- interceptors Justicar - hammer 2 x incinerator 4 x halberd 2 x sword 1 x falchion Heavy support - 2 NDK 1st one with greatsword and power fist and heavy psycannon and heavy incinerator 2nd one with hammer and power fist, heavy psycannon and heavy incinerator. I have taken the 'Strike Force' formation so everything will be deep striking and harassing from the get go. Incinerators will be back field and shunt forward. Please let me know on this 1st list what you think, will get other list done soon as possible. Cheers guys Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308757-2000-point-list-idea/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkmagi Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 One thing to note is that the nemesis strike force is not a formation it is a force or chart... you might want to check to be sure you can use it. Otherwise it looks fairly good though I would consider dropping a termies squad for another interceptor squad as support for the NDK's Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308757-2000-point-list-idea/#findComment-4072464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Restrictions are no allies, no Lord of war and can only use norm FOC and formations in codex. Dreadknight spam it is! CAD 1: HQ: Librarian w/hammer (115 points) Troops: (2) Justicar w/sword, Strike w/incinerator, 3x Strikes w/swords (115 points each) Heavy Support: (3) Dreadknight w/greatsword, heavy psycannon, gatling psilencer, teleporter (235 points each) CAD 2: HQ: Librarian w/hammer (115 points) Troops: (2) Justicar w/sword, Strike w/incinerator, 3x Strikes w/swords (115 points each) Fast Attack: Justicar w/sword, 4x Interceptors w/swords (130 points) Heavy Support: (3) Dreadknight w/greatsword, heavy psycannon, gatling psilencer, teleporter (235 points each) Total: 2,000 points Seriously though, that's some stupid restrictions. You can't do TDA-heavy, because no Nemesis Strikeforce. You can't support a TDA-heavy list either, because no Allies. You can't really use Puriifers either, because no Allied pods (unless you wanna shell out for a Raven). If you want the list to be less boring, you can sub out some Dreadknights for more Interceptors. You'll lose a lot of firepower and effectiveness though. Up to you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308757-2000-point-list-idea/#findComment-4072488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zembar Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 I think NSF goes under "formations in codex" if I'm guessing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308757-2000-point-list-idea/#findComment-4072587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 NSF is a detachment, not a formation. Don't get confused by the F in NSF. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308757-2000-point-list-idea/#findComment-4072684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Yeah it's usually a good thing, because non-retarded tournaments allow codex detachments. Maybe check with the organisers? NSF really isn't that powerful, I don't see the need to throw it out the window just because of Decurion and Craftworld Warhost. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308757-2000-point-list-idea/#findComment-4072770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afc24 Posted June 5, 2015 Author Share Posted June 5, 2015 Hi thanks for replys Yeah sorry, I can use this detachment. Only thing I am concerned about is no anti-air so should I drop a termie group for the flyer or take another interceptor or stick with termies. I have used the above list against a friend with Tau, with the first turn deep strike they struggled and start of 2 in assault. Was slim Pickens really plz give thoughts Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308757-2000-point-list-idea/#findComment-4073126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Oh sweet, Nemesis Strikeforce is go. With regards to AA, yeah you're forced to take a Raven. Without Allies you have few other options. With that in mind, I'd also be taking a Purifier squad to load into it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308757-2000-point-list-idea/#findComment-4073728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afc24 Posted June 6, 2015 Author Share Posted June 6, 2015 Ok so drop a squad of termies add a storm raven. Never used purifiers, are they effective? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308757-2000-point-list-idea/#findComment-4073776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afc24 Posted June 6, 2015 Author Share Posted June 6, 2015 Also what special weapons for them. As points are getting tight I can't have 10 unless I drop hurricane bolters of raven. But ye anyone have good use of purifiers? Thanks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308757-2000-point-list-idea/#findComment-4073778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Flyers can be avoided most of the time, by moving in front of their flight path so that they have to over fly you or ground. Takes a bit of practice, but once you get use to it, Flyers become less of an annoyance. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308757-2000-point-list-idea/#findComment-4074048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Flyers can be avoided most of the time, by moving in front of their flight path so that they have to over fly you or ground. Takes a bit of practice, but once you get use to it, Flyers become less of an annoyance. We don't have the board presence to lock off flight paths. We barely fill one quarter of the battlefield concentrated, they can just fly to another section. The better Flyers in the game have mid to long range firepower anyway. I suppose you could block Heldrakes, but it's still very risky. Ok so drop a squad of termies add a storm raven.Never used purifiers, are they effective? Purifiers are our best PA squad without contest. Their only issues are lack of Deepstrike and of course being in PA. The Raven neatly solves both those issues, and it gets you into 'Cleansing Flame' range, which is their main draw over being cheaper than Terminators. Regarding upgrades, I find you can run them bare bones with little drawback. I'd mix in a hammer per 5 maybe, but even that's kinda optional. They're anti-infantry specialists, treat them as such. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308757-2000-point-list-idea/#findComment-4074080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afc24 Posted June 6, 2015 Author Share Posted June 6, 2015 Ok, great guys thanks very much for ideas and advice. Looks like I will be taking purifiers but only a squad of 5. Question:- because I'm using the Strike force detachment can purifiers not arrive on turn 1 with stormraven? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308757-2000-point-list-idea/#findComment-4074386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticEric Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Ok, great guys thanks very much for ideas and advice. Looks like I will be taking purifiers but only a squad of 5. Question:- because I'm using the Strike force detachment can purifiers not arrive on turn 1 with stormraven? Nemesis strike force rules is for deep strike reserves and fliers can't arrive via deep strike any more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308757-2000-point-list-idea/#findComment-4074928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Purifiers disembarking via Skies of Fury would benefit from Rites if in a NSF, and will be able to Shoot-Run/Run-Shoot on the turn they DS via Skies. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308757-2000-point-list-idea/#findComment-4075116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aethernitas Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Purifiers disembarking via Skies of Fury would benefit from Rites if in a NSF, and will be able to Shoot-Run/Run-Shoot on the turn they DS via Skies. The correlating rule was recently discussed in another thread. I remember you chose to disregard the outcome of the discussion but I still don't think it's ok to push your personal interpretation of the rule onto new players when the overwhelming percentage of the 40K community disagrees with you and clearly differentiate between 'deep striking' and 'deep strike reserves' which in turn means that Rites cannot be used after disembarking using 'Skies of Fury'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308757-2000-point-list-idea/#findComment-4075916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I have by no means disregarded the outcome, as there was no outcome to disregard. In addition, you assertion that an overwhelming percentage of the 40k community have come to a consensus is patently false. Per RAW, Deep Strike = Deep Strike Reserves, be it accidental or intentional. Only an FAQ, Errata, or new rule set can change the current RAW. So, if you wish to personally attack me over pointing out RAW, please do so via PM. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308757-2000-point-list-idea/#findComment-4075966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aethernitas Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I have by no means disregarded the outcome, as there was no outcome to disregard. In addition, you assertion that an overwhelming percentage of the 40k community have come to a consensus is patently false. Per RAW, Deep Strike = Deep Strike Reserves, be it accidental or intentional. Only an FAQ, Errata, or new rule set can change the current RAW. So, if you wish to personally attack me over pointing out RAW, please do so via PM. Luckily I have no intention to personally attack you. Your assertion of my assertion beeing oh so patently false is equally baseless as mine seemed to you. We should just drop this because I have no intention to copy/paste from a dozen different popular 40K forums... What I really would want from you though is any trail of thought, evidence or an actual argument for Deep Strike = Deep Strike Reserves beeing RAW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308757-2000-point-list-idea/#findComment-4076080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afc24 Posted June 8, 2015 Author Share Posted June 8, 2015 Oh dear lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308757-2000-point-list-idea/#findComment-4076109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Guys, let's leave the 'Skies of Fury' and Deepstrike discussion for another thread. One trick that is 100% legit is taking a locator beacon on your Raven, and then using 'Skies of Fury' to land without scatter when you leap out with the Purifiers (so long as you're 6" from the base). Provided you did a good bombing run, you can land your 'Cleansing Flames' with perfect accuracy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308757-2000-point-list-idea/#findComment-4076118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afc24 Posted June 8, 2015 Author Share Posted June 8, 2015 Sounds like a plan 'reclusiarch-darius' that would be brutal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308757-2000-point-list-idea/#findComment-4076124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aethernitas Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Sounds like a plan 'reclusiarch-darius' that would be brutal. You bet it is - just remember that you can only use the beacon if it already was on the battlefield at the beginning of your movement phase. That means you can precision-drop your Purifiers turn 3 earliest. Of course you can still use Skies of Fury in the turn you fly in but then you scatter normally. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308757-2000-point-list-idea/#findComment-4076146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 You bet it is - just remember that you can only use the beacon if it already was on the battlefield at the beginning of your movement phase. That means you can precision-drop your Purifiers turn 3 earliest. Of course you can still use Skies of Fury in the turn you fly in but then you scatter normally. Ah damn, forgot about that stupid restriction. Yeah...so maybe don't bother then, Because Turn 3, you can just use the Assault Ramp anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308757-2000-point-list-idea/#findComment-4076154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afc24 Posted June 8, 2015 Author Share Posted June 8, 2015 Haha got to love these restrictions Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308757-2000-point-list-idea/#findComment-4076169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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