Mixing armor mks.

[Remus Ventanus.]

 

So in tempest there is a set of armor called "the mantle of Ultramar"....it says there are only 7 of these suits. Does anyone know of any images of this armor?

 

I don't think their are any.

 

FW will obviously make a model of it right? It says a Praetor model may be equipped with it...I pray

[Olis]

 

 

So in tempest there is a set of armor called "the mantle of Ultramar"....it says there are only 7 of these suits. Does anyone know of any images of this armor?

 

I don't think their are any.

 

FW will obviously make a model of it right? It says a Praetor model may be equipped with it...I pray

 

Probably not seeing as it's a Legion specific upgrade to artificer armour. I'd be surprised if FW bothered when there are more pressing concerns (like making a model for Crysos Morturg and every other named FW character without a model yet).

[Remus Ventanus.]

 

 

 

So in tempest there is a set of armor called "the mantle of Ultramar"....it says there are only 7 of these suits. Does anyone know of any images of this armor?

 

I don't think their are any.

 

FW will obviously make a model of it right? It says a Praetor model may be equipped with it...I pray

 

Probably not seeing as it's a Legion specific upgrade to artificer armour. I'd be surprised if FW bothered when there are more pressing concerns (like making a model for Crysos Morturg and every other named FW character without a model yet).

 

This armor pre dates the age of strife....there are only seven suits. It must be made!

 

But id gladly take ventanus. Im praying he is revealed at the Forge world open day in july

[apologist]

I'd imagine the mantles of Ultramar will never receive models - from the description, they're essentially unique suits; which would have been altered beyond any recognition to make them fit Astartes. Any artificer armour would work to simulate them, I would suggest.

[Daemon2027]

Mantel of Ultramar will be 30k versions of the 40k centurions :p

 

I love mixing armour marks but then I'm a traitorous dog.

[DuskRaider]

I mix my armour on models. If they're taking part in a campaign of attrition, they'll scavenge whatever they can. Mind you, I've done it maybe a dozen times over a hundred Marines, but it adds character.

[Remus Ventanus.]

So i emailed FW asking if its lore accurate to have praetor helms on mk 2 armor and they replied "Hi Sean,

 

you can use MKII armour but the most commonly used armour variant was MKIV (4).

 

thanks again

 

 

 

 

 

Looks like my vets will have mk 2 plate and praetor helms! Im really happy about this.

[DuskRaider]

I was under the impression that most of the Loyalist Legions were severely lacking on the Mk. IV front, thus the reason for producing Mk. V...

[Remus Ventanus.]

I was under the impression that most of the Loyalist Legions were severely lacking on the Mk. IV front, thus the reason for producing Mk. V...

I think that is still the case. Im going off of the Calth conjunction, when the Ultramarines would have been freshly re supplied. 

[Olis]

I believe it would be the case after casualties begin occurring - we're still seeing the opening phase of the Heresy in the FW series. Once we move onto the part where the Imperium knows it's at war, then we might see a lack of MkIV plate kicking in. I say 'might', because the lack of MkIV armour is reasonably old fluff at this point and is yet to be reinforced (to my knowledge) by the new iteration of the Heresy.

[Fire Golem]

Yeah, I keep saying that the Loyalists didn't have much MkIV because Horus sorted it that the traitors were supplied with it more, but I'm not actually sure where I've got that from so... I might've made it up or it might be old. The UM seem to have quite a bit of MkIV.

[Remus Ventanus.]

Yeah, I keep saying that the Loyalists didn't have much MkIV because Horus sorted it that the traitors were supplied with it more, but I'm not actually sure where I've got that from so... I might've made it up or it might be old. The UM seem to have quite a bit of MkIV.

I definately had the same thought. Im just a little bummed because while i love mk 4, mk 2 is my favorite. Now, that being said there were still many suits of mk 2 being used in the XIII during Calth. 

 

Also, I think the newest chapters got most of the mk 4 right? My army is based of the 4th company, so perhaps they had more mk 2

[Marshal Rohr]

These threads always ruffle my feathers. Your armor marks during the Horus Heresy reflect the mission of your particular company. For instance, my own Fists are all in Mark 3 plate and Cataphractii armor, because they are a shock infantry formation tasked with guarding the Imperial Palace. The Horus Heresy was a transitionary period in which the older two models of armor (Mark 2, the line armor and Mark 3, the assault armor) were being phased out in favor of mark 4 (the new line armor). The same way the army has adopted new uniforms, and the transition dates to the new pattern are something like 5 years down the road, so too would mark 2 and 3 have a shelf life in favor of mark 4. The only reason mark 5 exists as a class is because it's a temporary mark that would be obsolete with the full transition to mark 4. Mark 6 is a specialist armor which would be given to specialist formations.

 

The Horus Heresy dramatically changed the logistical capacity and need for the staged armor transition, and with the loss of so much production capability that would never be regained, you end up with the weird mish mash of armor during the Heresy, and ultimately this is solved by the far less robust, mass model Mark VII.

 

By the 41st millennia they can barely produce enough armor, so you have units walking around with different parts.

 

Your armor mark is tied directly to the hardware and software of the Armors 'spirit'. You can have a helmet that looks nothing like mark 4 still be mark 4, if it uses the mark 4 system. If that makes sense.

[Remus Ventanus.]

These threads always ruffle my feathers. Your armor marks during the Horus Heresy reflect the mission of your particular company. For instance, my own Fists are all in Mark 3 plate and Cataphractii armor, because they are a shock infantry formation tasked with guarding the Imperial Palace. The Horus Heresy was a transitionary period in which the older two models of armor (Mark 2, the line armor and Mark 3, the assault armor) were being phased out in favor of mark 4 (the new line armor). The same way the army has adopted new uniforms, and the transition dates to the new pattern are something like 5 years down the road, so too would mark 2 and 3 have a shelf life in favor of mark 4. The only reason mark 5 exists as a class is because it's a temporary mark that would be obsolete with the full transition to mark 4. Mark 6 is a specialist armor which would be given to specialist formations.

 

The Horus Heresy dramatically changed the logistical capacity and need for the staged armor transition, and with the loss of so much production capability that would never be regained, you end up with the weird mish mash of armor during the Heresy, and ultimately this is solved by the far less robust, mass model Mark VII.

 

By the 41st millennia they can barely produce enough armor, so you have units walking around with different parts.

 

Your armor mark is tied directly to the hardware and software of the Armors 'spirit'. You can have a helmet that looks nothing like mark 4 still be mark 4, if it uses the mark 4 system. If that makes sense.

Didnt mean to annoy or upset anyone with this thread. Sorry if it is not appropriate. I want to be an asset to this forum so any feedback is welcome

[Marshal Rohr]

I'm just saying the way power armor is spoken about by the studio is asinine and corrupts how people think it would actually work.

[Remus Ventanus.]

I'm just saying the way power armor is spoken about by the studio is asinine and corrupts how people think it would actually work.

Im just glad im allowed to use praetor helms on mk 2 armor.

[Hyaenidae]

Mix and match it all. Nothing is sacred. This is The War, and needs must.

You didn't ask an inappropriate question, brother. What our zealous brother of the VII Legion meant is the strange way FW decided to present models in one fashion, then their artwork in a different way. Many of the art pieces in the FW HH books present models with plate already mixed up. Heck, if you look closely at the SoH Reaver squads unique plate, you'll notice that their plate is a mix of Mk II, III, IV, and V. No kiddin', take a look.

But then, their fluff doesn't match what they present visually. Strange, to be sure.

[Remus Ventanus.]

Mix and match it all. Nothing is sacred. This is The War, and needs must.

You didn't ask an inappropriate question, brother. What our zealous brother of the VII Legion meant is the strange way FW decided to present models in one fashion, then their artwork in a different way. Many of the art pieces in the FW HH books present models with plate already mixed up. Heck, if you look closely at the SoH Reaver squads unique plate, you'll notice that their plate is a mix of Mk II, III, IV, and V. No kiddin', take a look.

But then, their fluff doesn't match what they present visually. Strange, to be sure.

Thats what is confuzing to me.....

[Hyaenidae]

Don't let it be. Approach this as your Legion would, pragmatically. A parade appearance is fitting for war in the eyes of the XIII, but if armour plate of specific design is in short supply, then needs must.

 

Theoretical and Practical, Brother. You know the lessons of your Father, simply follow them.  :)

[Remus Ventanus.]

Don't let it be. Approach this as your Legion would, pragmatically. A parade appearance is fitting for war in the eyes of the XIII, but if armour plate of specific design is in short supply, then needs must.

Theoretical and Practical, Brother. You know the lessons of your Father, simply follow them.

I think this is why i should base my force on the underworld war. It provides alot more customization.

Now i can use mk 3 legs and mk 2 torsos.....

[DuskRaider]

I'll slap together any leftover armour parts I have to make Marines. Body count is more important than cohesive appearance, especially on the battlefields of the 31st Millennium.

[Chronotonic]

That is what I did I had ten mk iv torsos and no legs

 

Used my legs I got off eBay for my mk22 armour to fill the bodies not that squad will have a few legions in it as an ad hoc squad

[Olis]

I'll slap together any leftover armour parts I have to make Marines. Body count is more important than cohesive appearance, especially on the battlefields of the 31st Millennium.

 

I'm creating a pool of bitz for my next project after my Fists, making sure that the good body count will have some variety in it. Got a halfway decent collection going but I'm sorely lacking legs... Meh. I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. :P

[Joe]

I've been collecting a mixture of MkII, MkIV and third-party bits in my spare time to put together some pre-Heresy and post-Heresy/40k Thousand Sons. Judging by the artwork shown they seem to have a bizarre mixture of various different armour marks as it is, not to mention the variants they produce themselves.

[Chaeron]

Mix and match it all. Nothing is sacred. This is The War, and needs must.

 

And, I think this is visually the most pleasing!

 

I'm definitely a MKII-IV man for my Death Guard - and I like the variation, but still that similar design. Go for whatever suits you!