Scribe Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 This is the third time trying to post this topic...please Forum Gods, dont eat this post. Black Library - Any idea's on what 'main' Heresy event is next? Tallaran being a LE item essentially kind of killed my access to it. Forge World - HH5 has several mentions of NL vs DA, but we have Ruin Storm Daemons being previewed, so is Signus next? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309003-where-are-we/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stofficus Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I believe the tentative plan was to follow up Tempest with the wider Ultramar campaign, but that info's a bit old now, perhaps someone who had a chance to chat with Bligh might know better? The Forgeworld Open Day will likely also give us more to go on in terms of what's next. They're clearly trying to balance adding in more base factions with keeping some kind of chronology - as of yet, only Prospero will be "out of order" whenever it gets done. As for BL, who knows. I don't expect them to finish the HH novels before, oh I don't know, North Korea becomes a popular spring break destination? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309003-where-are-we/#findComment-4078300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Tempest heavily hints at that. Mentions of the events at Nuceria, and the battle in the warp between Marius Gage and Kor Phaeron a board their respective flagships being mentioned expressly as events for another tome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309003-where-are-we/#findComment-4078325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I don't think they know which book is going to be next now. It was meant to be the Shadow Crusade but I think Mr Bligh said at the open weekend that it's up in the air again now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309003-where-are-we/#findComment-4078327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_r_parker Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 With respect to the ForgeWorld series, I think we will have to wait for the Open Day at the begining of July to get some better information. At the Weekender earlier this year the intention was to have a two-parter in Ultramar, with Book 5 being the main Calth 'Incident' and Book 6 being more focussed on the Shadow Crusade campaign across Ultramar with Lorgar and Angron heading up their Legions (as I like to call it "Boys on Tour!"). Prospero was meant to be earlier but had been pushed back due to complications in coming up with balanced rulesets for the Thousand Sons, Custodians and Sisters of Silence. There was also stil talk of a Mars based book with would be concerned with the Mechanicum civil war, and the full-scale introduction of the Dark Mechanicum. Looking over at the Warhammer World Grand Opening, things appear to be more in flux with regards to the book structure. Book 6 isn't confirmed to be the Shadow Crusdae, which may be pushed back. Prospero is still causing issues with playtesting and getting the balance of the rules right amongst the various factions. Alan actually hinted that he wanted to do more Conquest-esque style campaign books that take a more hollistic view of the campaign rather than focussing on a specific conflict. In short - Book 6 could be anything at this point. One thing to note is that they're looking to drop basic Legion upgrade packs over the course of the next 6 months (as quickly as they can get them completed from what I can tell) and get them out to players without tieing them to book releases and Legion rulesets. As we saw at the Grand Opening, the White Scar upgrades have been previewed in the display cabinets and there is currenlty no short-range roadmap for White Scar Legion rules that can be seen. I think this frees up Alan and the other writers to focus more on Conquest style books rather than focussing on Legion conflicts to introduce Legion models. In short - let's see what happens at the Open Day for ForgeWorld, as for Black Library I really don't know whats going on there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309003-where-are-we/#findComment-4078341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
One-eye Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Indeed, the next Open day will probably give us a few hints about the next book. I personnaly think a Signus book would make sense, giving the opportunity to describe new Legion rules & fluff, and why not a demon based army list. I would also like a small White Scars input somewhere (Chondax ?), but it will proably remain wishlisting, and WS might be the last Legion to have its "Chapter approved" background... However if at least we can get early rules and upgrade kits, I'd be satisfied :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309003-where-are-we/#findComment-4078506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted June 9, 2015 Author Share Posted June 9, 2015 Well, thanks for the info all. I'll have to just be patient. :] Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309003-where-are-we/#findComment-4079037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relict Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 It would make sense for Book VI to be on the Shadow Crusade. - The Word Bearers and World Eaters are already very well fleshed out in terms of models and rules. The only additions would be Daemon Prince Angron and possibly Argel Tal. The Ultramarines are getting a lot of love lately - all FW would have to do is release the models already promised to us - three characters (the Primarch has already been spotted, and the Dreadnought is simply a matter of releasing the Legion-specific chassis and equipping it with the appropriate weapons) and three Legion-specific units (one of which we have already sighted). - If Book VI comes out in time for Christmas, this would give FW roughly 12 months between now and the release of Book VII. Enough time to catch up on their releases. - Basically a "filler" book similar to Conquest that will allow FW to release the four Primarchs covered in Extermination and the various specific units associated with their Legions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309003-where-are-we/#findComment-4079875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted June 10, 2015 Author Share Posted June 10, 2015 Since Conquest was amazing, I wouldnt cry. In fact, I love every book and now that I've finally settled on my options (Word Bearers, Knights, eventual Cults) then I can afford to wait. :] Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309003-where-are-we/#findComment-4079890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Honestly so long as they maintain the quality standard of the first five I don't care, they've all been great thus far. My heart goes out to those whose Legions haven't been done yet (& may have to wait some time), but at least the upgrade kits are on the horizon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309003-where-are-we/#findComment-4080124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saphrael Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Sorry for the threadomancy, but I was looking for this exact info while salivating over the prospect of potential upcoming 40k DA rules. Just so I'm clear, are details for the FW book release schedule usually given at the Open Day? I thought that was reserved for Weekender Events? Just want to manage my expectations for when we'll get the content and timing of book six confirmed. I agree that it makes sense for book six to continue the Shadow Crusade, but TBH the XVIIth and XIIth have been spoiled rotten in terms of minis and rules to date, and the XIIIth have obviously just gotten a heap of love. Meanwhile those legions as yet uncovered have gotten nothing (or worse than nothing in the case of the DA relic from book four). I definitely want the quality to be maintained, but I have to say it irks me when legions are covered multiple times across several books and the proud Ist (and many others) are left waiting seemingly indefinitely. Some basic legions bits would help, but that's nothing compared to full legion rules and unique units, which is what I'm waiting for before I dive head first into building a resin army... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309003-where-are-we/#findComment-4090406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Sorry for the threadomancy, but I was looking for this exact info while salivating over the prospect of potential upcoming 40k DA rules. Just so I'm clear, are details for the FW book release schedule usually given at the Open Day? I thought that was reserved for Weekender Events? Just want to manage my expectations for when we'll get the content and timing of book six confirmed. I agree that it makes sense for book six to continue the Shadow Crusade, but TBH the XVIIth and XIIth have been spoiled rotten in terms of minis and rules to date, and the XIIIth have obviously just gotten a heap of love. Meanwhile those legions as yet uncovered have gotten nothing (or worse than nothing in the case of the DA relic from book four). I definitely want the quality to be maintained, but I have to say it irks me when legions are covered multiple times across several books and the proud Ist (and many others) are left waiting seemingly indefinitely. Some basic legions bits would help, but that's nothing compared to full legion rules and unique units, which is what I'm waiting for before I dive head first into building a resin army... They usually give us a kind of "heads up" as to what to expect in the next book during their Weekenders, yes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309003-where-are-we/#findComment-4090442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Son of Magnus Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 The problem with doing Shadow Crusade is that they have relatively little to actually put in the book ruleswise. All three legions that participated are done, with Word Bearers and World Eaters needing only a unit and a character to be complete and Ultras needing only a character. There isn't much else they can add into the book besides Daemon rules so unless they pull an army out of their like they did with Solar Auxillia, the Shadow Crusade book is almost contentless. While the could add in another legion, the problem with that is that they wouldn't have time to cover the battle that Legion was in considering how large the Shadow Crusade was. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309003-where-are-we/#findComment-4090461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted June 17, 2015 Author Share Posted June 17, 2015 I could see it as a catch up book, if they needed one. Or, it could encompass the DA vs NL as well, and have those legions filled out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309003-where-are-we/#findComment-4090474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Speaking to Allan at the open day and he really didn't know. I can confirm however that he really wants to get all the upgrade kits out so very legion has something and also mentioned at maybe looking at some temporary rules for each individual legion without a book. He mentioned something about exploring splinter legions too? I'm not into the fluff or anything so don't know what this means and can't really remember the correct wording (maybe splinter crusades?!) I'm sure there will be a host of info acquired at the next open day in 2 weeks time Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309003-where-are-we/#findComment-4090527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Shattered legions? Maybe? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309003-where-are-we/#findComment-4090573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 When I managed to talk to AB at the opening, he said pretty much straight out that the Shattered Legion list was going to be in Conquest but got squeezed out because the book was huge. If book VI is Shadow Crusade, it will include a good chunk of detail on that since it ties in fairly nicely with events during Unremembered Empire. With the other Legions, upgrade kits are the order of the day, just because it can get people on the bandwagon and then full scale diving into Extermination and clearing the backlog of units/characters that are going to be done from that book. He did say that not everything listed will be done (like Iron Havocs/Lernaeans which can be done already with the kits available). FW in general are pretty damn good with getting word out on what's coming next, the Open Day in July should see a hell of a lot of stuff previewed/early release judging by previous years and the relative quiet on the release front the past few weeks and Games day has usually had it's own FW/HH seminar so I'd expect definitive information to surface there regarding Vol VI. At least Massacre and Conquest had their unveiling there in in the last couple of years BL wise Deathfire is a few weeks from reported release which (thankfully) is picking up it's tack from post Unremembered Empire. Crimson King is mostly done, subject to some editing and I'd hope to see that at Games Day. As for anything else, who knows. The amount of novels coming out has fallen away significantly which was always going to happen eventually, there's just no way they could have kept up the early schedule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309003-where-are-we/#findComment-4090575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 I have heard from a reliable source that thousand sons are all but done, play testing the rules at the moment. They either work out as severely over powered, or at the other end of the scale. Finding the balance for an army like that must be hard, they seem to take more care in rules designing than gw who tend to just splash things together in the attempt to sell model lines. You could see scars released soon, as the upgrades are finished. So it's anyone's guess!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309003-where-are-we/#findComment-4090713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Shattered legions? Maybe? That was it! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309003-where-are-we/#findComment-4090888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 The major arcs that still need to be covered by FW-HH are: + Shadow Crusade + Thramas Crusade + Signus Prime + Prospero + Terra Right? Or was there something else (excluding whatever other 'filler' that FW may also invent and include)? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309003-where-are-we/#findComment-4090961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeratil Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 From the various interviews and titbits AB has given over the years they do not determine which book is next until the previous one is done and out the door. That doesn't mean they're not working/thinking about them (as the comments above say the Sons rules have been in production for at least a year if not more because of 7th edition and how hard they are to balance.) The HH Weekender indicated that book 6 would be the Shadow Crusade with more World Eaters stuff, some daemons and anything else (like shattered legions) that didn't fit into book 5. However that info is quite old now, and was only ever an indication. Prospero will be one of the next few books, we also know that AB wants to do a 'war for mars' book and possibly a 'war for the sol system' book, possibly in the same volume to flesh out the mechanicum and maybe the dark mechanicum more. The most recent decision that might upset the previous book order is the fact that they've decided to push on with getting conversion kits for the undone legions (like White Scars) finished prior to their books being released so people can start making armies for them. How this will affect the book order is unknown, but I'd say if they want to do that there's a fair chance of the next book being one with undone legions, rather than shadow crusade which mostly concerns legions who already have those kits. So the possible books are most likely: Prospero: Sons, Wolves, Sisters, Custodes Shadow Crusade: World Eaters, Shattered Legions, Others? Those we know have been talked about, have ideas/concepts/rules done for them (like Samus etc.) Ultimately though that's no guarantee, Prospero was going to be book 4 originally remember. FW may decide they want to take a break from the Legions and do the Mechanicum book earlier than expected for example. Your best bet is to have some nice person ask AB at the FW open day in a few weeks if he is around. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309003-where-are-we/#findComment-4091001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 When I managed to talk to AB at the opening, he said pretty much straight out that the Shattered Legion list was going to be in Conquest but got squeezed out because the book was huge. If book VI is Shadow Crusade, it will include a good chunk of detail on that since it ties in fairly nicely with events during Unremembered Empire. With the other Legions, upgrade kits are the order of the day, just because it can get people on the bandwagon and then full scale diving into Extermination and clearing the backlog of units/characters that are going to be done from that book. He did say that not everything listed will be done (like Iron Havocs/Lernaeans which can be done already with the kits available). FW in general are pretty damn good with getting word out on what's coming next, the Open Day in July should see a hell of a lot of stuff previewed/early release judging by previous years and the relative quiet on the release front the past few weeks and Games day has usually had it's own FW/HH seminar so I'd expect definitive information to surface there regarding Vol VI. At least Massacre and Conquest had their unveiling there in in the last couple of years BL wise Deathfire is a few weeks from reported release which (thankfully) is picking up it's tack from post Unremembered Empire. Crimson King is mostly done, subject to some editing and I'd hope to see that at Games Day. As for anything else, who knows. The amount of novels coming out has fallen away significantly which was always going to happen eventually, there's just no way they could have kept up the early schedule. Did he specifically say that Lernaeans were not coming as models? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309003-where-are-we/#findComment-4091085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted June 17, 2015 Author Share Posted June 17, 2015 Oh man, a War for Mars book has such sweet sweet fluff potential. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309003-where-are-we/#findComment-4091191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 When I managed to talk to AB at the opening, he said pretty much straight out that the Shattered Legion list was going to be in Conquest but got squeezed out because the book was huge. If book VI is Shadow Crusade, it will include a good chunk of detail on that since it ties in fairly nicely with events during Unremembered Empire. With the other Legions, upgrade kits are the order of the day, just because it can get people on the bandwagon and then full scale diving into Extermination and clearing the backlog of units/characters that are going to be done from that book. He did say that not everything listed will be done (like Iron Havocs/Lernaeans which can be done already with the kits available). FW in general are pretty damn good with getting word out on what's coming next, the Open Day in July should see a hell of a lot of stuff previewed/early release judging by previous years and the relative quiet on the release front the past few weeks and Games day has usually had it's own FW/HH seminar so I'd expect definitive information to surface there regarding Vol VI. At least Massacre and Conquest had their unveiling there in in the last couple of years BL wise Deathfire is a few weeks from reported release which (thankfully) is picking up it's tack from post Unremembered Empire. Crimson King is mostly done, subject to some editing and I'd hope to see that at Games Day. As for anything else, who knows. The amount of novels coming out has fallen away significantly which was always going to happen eventually, there's just no way they could have kept up the early schedule. Did he specifically say that Lernaeans were not coming as models? No there weren't any units mentioned specifically but given they can be built using the current kits, it stands to reason, only lacking a conversion beamer. Iron Tyrants are a different story because there's no such thing as a cyclone missile launcher yet. I wouldn't complain too much if that were the case tbh, means that anyone who builds a unit isn't going to see them rendered obsolete with a fresh kit coming. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309003-where-are-we/#findComment-4091244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
betrayer41 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Wooooooo so your sayin there's a chance!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309003-where-are-we/#findComment-4091264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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