Master Avoghai Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Hi there Just a quesion for those who really know the pre heresy fluff. I'm in the process of building a Ryza pre heresy army, and I'm wondering if there's any info regarding alliance between this forgeworld and knights houses. The knights codex talks about the Metallica/ Raven or Mars/Tharanis but I cannot find anything about Ryza. The Tome 4 doesn't seem to have more information too... Is there anything I've missed or is it just a hole in the fluf that I can fulfill with whatever I want? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309106-ryza-alliance-during-heresy/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 their Titan Legion is the Legio Crucius^^ not sure about houses though :/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309106-ryza-alliance-during-heresy/#findComment-4081406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 They may get covered later but they are a fairly important Forge Word are they not. Guess that whatever they choose there was probably a fight. To be honest the way the Mechanicum fractured it's possible to imagine that each forge world had its loyalists and traitors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309106-ryza-alliance-during-heresy/#findComment-4081459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 They may get covered later but they are a fairly important Forge Word are they not. Guess that whatever they choose there was probably a fight. To be honest the way the Mechanicum fractured it's possible to imagine that each forge world had its loyalists and traitors. as far as i remember Tempest - Ryza fought for the loyalists (that's why the other FW build the thanatar variant with the two smaller plasmacannons) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309106-ryza-alliance-during-heresy/#findComment-4081462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 They may get covered later but they are a fairly important Forge Word are they not. Guess that whatever they choose there was probably a fight. To be honest the way the Mechanicum fractured it's possible to imagine that each forge world had its loyalists and traitors. as far as i remember Tempest - Ryza fought for the loyalists (that's why the other FW build the thanatar variant with the two smaller plasmacannons) Well, I haven't got Temprest so ignore me... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309106-ryza-alliance-during-heresy/#findComment-4081468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I remember that there was a source that said between Ryza, Lucius, Metallica and Voss: 2 of them were staunch loyalist and 2 of them were in a civil war during the Heresy. I just forgot which was which and exactly where I read it :( Meanwhile: Mars - was civil war then Loyalist Atar-Median - was Loyalist Cyclorathe - assisted Horus but they were also very much self serving under Draykavac (now Hellforge) Esteban III - was Loyalist Gryphonne IV - was Loyalist (but now destroyed by Tyranids) Incaladion - was Renegade under Satarael (but back under Imperium in M41) M'Pandex - was Renegade (but back under Imperium in M41) Mezoa - was Loyalist Sarum - was Renegade (now Hellforge) Shenlong - was Renegade (then destroyed by Exterminatus) Stygies VII - was Renegade (but back under Imperium in M41) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309106-ryza-alliance-during-heresy/#findComment-4081525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Incaladion - was Renegade under Satarael (but back under Imperium in M41) nope, Satarael was commander of Paramar, Incaladion was pretty much civil war since the outbreak of the heresy (same with Anvilus - civil waaar! :>) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309106-ryza-alliance-during-heresy/#findComment-4081531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Incaladion - was Renegade under Satarael (but back under Imperium in M41) nope, Satarael was commander of Paramar, Incaladion was pretty much civil war since the outbreak of the heresy :P (same with Anvilus - civil waaar! :>) HH3 pg 216 - I had thought Satarael's title and sidebar text suggests he's from Incaladion. But, maybe I'm misreading it.... :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309106-ryza-alliance-during-heresy/#findComment-4081576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Avoghai Posted June 11, 2015 Author Share Posted June 11, 2015 Well I hardly imagine Ryza being traitor and then proposed as a possible scheme in the 40k codex huh? ;) (but yeah HH3 mentionned that Ryza didn't really participate to heresy as they struggled for civil war on their own world) I'm just wondering if they have alliance with identified knight houses as I have a Stiryx to paint and wanted to choose a convenient colour scheme. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309106-ryza-alliance-during-heresy/#findComment-4082186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Incaladion - was Renegade under Satarael (but back under Imperium in M41) nope, Satarael was commander of Paramar, Incaladion was pretty much civil war since the outbreak of the heresy (same with Anvilus - civil waaar! :>) HH3 pg 216 - I had thought Satarael's title and sidebar text suggests he's from Incaladion. But, maybe I'm misreading it.... yeah he was from Incaladion, but he wasn't the highest magos from there :> if i remember the sidebar text correctly, the other Incaladine Magii were happy as he left the planet xD back to topic i may need to re-read conquest, as far as i remember, there was a blurb about the forgeworlds and civil-wars :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309106-ryza-alliance-during-heresy/#findComment-4082306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascanius Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 From Conquest: Forge World Cyclothrathe - House Atrax, House Aerthegn Forge World Mezoa - Grand Order of Hermetika, House Makabius (later sworn to the Warmaster), House Vyronii (informal), House Ohrlacc (lesser, also tied to Kalibrax and Lucius) Forge World Atar-Median - Col'chak Collective Mars - House Morbidia Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309106-ryza-alliance-during-heresy/#findComment-4082774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol_Invictus Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 In Conquest Ryza is listed as being in a state of civil war. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309106-ryza-alliance-during-heresy/#findComment-4084157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 In Conquest Ryza is listed as being in a state civil war. I've been looking for where I'd seen that entry, can you tell me what page its on? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309106-ryza-alliance-during-heresy/#findComment-4084226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol_Invictus Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 @Kilofix Pg. 147 under the Dark Mechanicum heading Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309106-ryza-alliance-during-heresy/#findComment-4084353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 @Kilofix Pg. 147 under the Dark Mechanicum heading Yes! That's the entry I was looking for: Sarum, Voss, Cyclorathe, Stygies as Traitors. Ryza, Incaladion and Anvilus in Civil War. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309106-ryza-alliance-during-heresy/#findComment-4084565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I was right! Edit: I prbally read it in Conquest, forgot, then half remembered..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309106-ryza-alliance-during-heresy/#findComment-4084617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 There's also something in HH5 on this, with the new Admech robots. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309106-ryza-alliance-during-heresy/#findComment-4084623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Esteban III was also not loyalist during the Heresy. It was allied to the treacherous portion of Legio Tempestus. I assume a lot of Forge Worlds got recovered during the Scouring, or at least the ones that didn't go super-dark like Sarum and Cyclotrathe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309106-ryza-alliance-during-heresy/#findComment-4084625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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