GhostMalone Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Just hoping you guys could help me out with this list; So im aiming for 2500 points for a fledgling 30k Raven Guard force, I've looked at utilizing the Strategic raid Foc and using the decapitation strike RoW. Now my idea behind this list is synergy and guerilla tactics; Hq- Alvarez maun Legion champ on bike (Refractor Field, infravisor, melta bombs, power sword) Total 290pts Elites- 10x Legion Veteran tacs in drop pod (2× meltaguns, melta bombs, nuncio vox & Tank hunter) 10x Legion Veteran tacs in drop pod ( 2× meltaguns, melta bombs, nuncio vox & Tank hunter ) 1× Legion Contemptor Dreadnought (chainfist w/ inbuilt grav, multi melta) Total 800pts Troops- 5x Legion recon marines (infravisor, Artificer armour, melta bombs, Nuncio-Vox & 5× Sniper rifles) 5x Legion Tactical support (Artificer armour plasma gun) Total 445pts Fast Attack- 6x Legion outriders (twin linked plasma, 2x power swords, infravisor & Meltabombs.) Total 400pts Heavy Support- 1× Legion fire raptor (Armoured ceramite Autocannons) 10x Legion Heavy Support in drop pod (Autocannons, Artificer armour, infravisor) Total- 565pts Grand total 2500pts So my idea is infiltrate Alvarez maun with the recon squad keeping him safe but close to the enemies lines. Utilize the legion champ on bike with the outriders to harass any Armoured threats Use the tac support Squad to try pick off a squad or HQ as a glass cannon unit. Deep strike the veterans in close to the enemy to hurt any Armoured elements: sicirans a priority. Bring in the HS Squad via Deep Strike and hit any big threats with there Autocannons And use the Contemptor to create some dangerous terrain and hunt some Tanks. My priority targets would be anti air so the fire raptor can dominate from above and focus on any Armoured targets, this list is built with the concept of the decapitation strike in mind and wonder if this is capable of being a competitive list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309340-2500-points-the-carrion-call/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 I haven't got the relevant books to hand at the moment but refresh my memory, I thought tac support squads couldn't be taken as compulsory troops choices Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309340-2500-points-the-carrion-call/#findComment-4088617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 I haven't got the relevant books to hand at the moment but refresh my memory, I thought tac support squads couldn't be taken as compulsory troops choices Hes using a Different FoC which has Compulsory Elites instead of Troops, iirc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309340-2500-points-the-carrion-call/#findComment-4088624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 I haven't got the relevant books to hand at the moment but refresh my memory, I thought tac support squads couldn't be taken as compulsory troops choices Hes using a Different FoC which has Compulsory Elites instead of Troops, iirc. That would account for it then :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309340-2500-points-the-carrion-call/#findComment-4088630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 You are correct my good sir! So any comments on this list? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309340-2500-points-the-carrion-call/#findComment-4088722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Id Bump the Plasma Squad to 10 men. At 5, theyre VERY easy to erase and with the punch they pack, might as well put everything in your court to keep them alive. If you can add even an Apothecary and give them a ride to serve as a bubble. As for Recon Marines and Tac Vets, 3 Squads of Purpose-Built Mor Deythan would probably serve you better especially if you're going for an Alpha Strike. Twin-Linked, Rending guns for a Turn (combi-weapon devastation!) means barely anything will survive getting shot at by them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309340-2500-points-the-carrion-call/#findComment-4088755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 But with 2500pts they seem overpriced; If I was to up the plasma Squad I need to drop something else and im really not sure as the only thing I'd drop is the Contemptor Dreadnought Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309340-2500-points-the-carrion-call/#findComment-4088761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Well, on the topic of Mor Deythan I think reading through here will help a bit more than me: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290168-raven-guard-tactics/ For the Plasma Squad, I'd almost drop the Recon Squad in Favor of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309340-2500-points-the-carrion-call/#findComment-4088773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 If I was to change out the vets for mor deythan and remove the recons I lose the ability to move Alvarez maun into cover in their deployment to bring in my drop pods Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309340-2500-points-the-carrion-call/#findComment-4088783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 If I was to change out the vets for mor deythan and remove the recons I lose the ability to move Alvarez maun into cover in their deployment to bring in my drop pods All RG Infantry has Fleet and Infiltrate so it shouldnt be much of a problem. and Mauns Strato-Vox is an 18" Nuncio-Vox with more stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309340-2500-points-the-carrion-call/#findComment-4088788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 Allrighty I'll give it a tweak and bring in the revised version Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309340-2500-points-the-carrion-call/#findComment-4088875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 Okay so I dropped the recons and vets; This gave me- 10x mor deythan with Artificer armour, Melta bombs, 7 combi plasma, 3 plasma guns. 10x mor deythan with Artificer armour, melta bombs, 7 combi meltas, 3 melta guns And increased the tac support to 10 and gave them a drop pod. This leaves me with 2 points left. So if I was to do this I'd try pincer the enemy whilst I drop pod in the tac support and heavy support into the middle.... So thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309340-2500-points-the-carrion-call/#findComment-4088913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Pray for no 1's. Beyond that, maybe turn the Combi-Plasmas into Combi-Flamers. Twin-Linked, Rending Flamers are pretty nasty if you can get enough Template Hits. Also, outside of the Melta-Deythan and Melta Bombs in general, how will you deal with Armor at Range? You cant charge T1 After Scouting/Infiltrating so if your opponent is in Spartans and Land Raiders, literally cant do anything at that point. You cant really count on the Contemptor for that job since he wont be infiltrating ahead with the rest of your infantry. Your obviously very much prepared to deal with infantry of any kind so that wont be much of a problem. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309340-2500-points-the-carrion-call/#findComment-4088923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 So drop the dred maybe bring in a Venerator or a Vindicator Laser Destroyer? My one concern with dropping the plas to flamer is troops in transports, am I going to be able to hit hard with the flamers? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309340-2500-points-the-carrion-call/#findComment-4088946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted June 16, 2015 Author Share Posted June 16, 2015 Allright so I dropped the Contemptor and bought in 2 grav Rapier batteries and a las battery as I can't take any more HS. I added the infravisor to alvarez and gave the champ a Volkite serpenta; left with 2 points now Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309340-2500-points-the-carrion-call/#findComment-4088951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 So drop the dred maybe bring in a Venerator or a Vindicator Laser Destroyer? My one concern with dropping the plas to flamer is troops in transports, am I going to be able to hit hard with the flamers? You could melta bomb the Transport and if they charge you on the next turn, Wall of Flame them to Death if needed - though you cant Fatal Strike. If they dont charge you, well, they eat Twin-Linked, Rending Flamers. The LasVindicator is pretty Great. Getting 3 Shots at Ordnance 1 each if you dont move will wreck pretty much anything. Allright so I dropped the Contemptor and bought in 2 grav Rapier batteries and a las battery as I can't take any more HS. I added the infravisor to alvarez and gave the champ a Volkite serpenta; left with 2 points now If you need the HS Slot, get one of the Mor Deythan squads a Darkwing Stormeagle in place of the Fire Raptor. Less Dakka but a pretty nifty bird anyways. With Infiltrating Rapiers you curb the Gravs "low" range so thats cool. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309340-2500-points-the-carrion-call/#findComment-4088994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted June 16, 2015 Author Share Posted June 16, 2015 So replace the fire raptor or go the grav rapier Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309340-2500-points-the-carrion-call/#findComment-4089056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 In the end, its up to you and the Rule of Cool :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309340-2500-points-the-carrion-call/#findComment-4089057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted June 16, 2015 Author Share Posted June 16, 2015 Hmmm I guess Rapier are more competitive Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309340-2500-points-the-carrion-call/#findComment-4089061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Hmmm I guess Rapier are more competitive But, is it really really what you want? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309340-2500-points-the-carrion-call/#findComment-4089065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted June 16, 2015 Author Share Posted June 16, 2015 I'll still have a fire raptor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309340-2500-points-the-carrion-call/#findComment-4089089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I'll still have a fire raptor Just feel awkward giving 1 Squad a designated transport and not the other You can always go AirCav. It'll cut a few giant chunks out of the List but hey, SUDDENLY FLYERS! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309340-2500-points-the-carrion-call/#findComment-4089101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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