Freeman82 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I really dont get it. Why do some people think our dreads are far worse then other codies ? I never ever play a game without my DC dread´s. It drops flames and rips apart everything I charge with them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309448-the-fuss-of-dreadnoughts/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSauce Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 But now imagine it was 4 attacks base instead of 2. That's 5 attacks all the time, 7 on the charge. For the same price. The issue is that a SM dread can take a fist and a lascannon (or autocannon or whatever) and still go toe to toe with our dreads in CC. It's not that big a deal but it would be really nice for our dreads. 4 attacks on the librarian dreadnought would be amazing! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309448-the-fuss-of-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4089858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I speculate that a new BA Codex (yes, this soon) or at least a FAQ HAS to be on its way. Otherwise it absolutely defies all logic...BA Scouts are the Only ones (besides Dark Angels) that are BS3 now? BA/DA/SW Tanks are one per slot while everyone else is 3/slot? And the Chapter that is supposed to be the most CQC oriented in the whole Imperium has LESS Attacks on Dreads? It simply defies Logic, but only time will tell Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309448-the-fuss-of-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4089877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeller Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 What reason do you have to believe GW will ever release a FAQ? They stopped doing that stuff. It's not going to happen. Their track record for prolonging space marine inconsistency is consistent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309448-the-fuss-of-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4089898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vel'Cona Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I see what you did there. That said, I think our Furiosos are still reasonably competitive with C:SM Dreadnoughts, especially given their unique options. Death Company Dreads and Libby Dreads are still unique to our codex, and boast their own strengths. I know a lot of people are complaining, pointing out what BA are missing, but the truth is we're still a decent codex despite all the naysayers. Maybe it's time someone made a post about this! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309448-the-fuss-of-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4090048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Yes, it's basically the doubling of attacks thing. Before that, our furiosos were far, far superior. Now they're just superior. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309448-the-fuss-of-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4090070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remtek Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I'm glad they buffed SM dreadnoughts, hopefully more will use them as the models are awesome. I dont expect BA dreads to get an update/FAQ, but they are still playable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309448-the-fuss-of-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4090083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
evildrcheese Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 I don't think we'll be getting an FAQ or a new dex anytime soon. Just gonna have to swallow it for a year or two. D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309448-the-fuss-of-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4090472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vel'Cona Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 That's true, based on the timeline for releases we're looking at a minimum of 2 years of inferiority. That said, there are still strengths hidden in the BA codex, but we did lose a lot compared to the C:SM updates (especially in terms of points cost reductions). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309448-the-fuss-of-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4090852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 DA leaks are coming in. They have at least one decurion covering the majority of thier special units and characters centered around a flexible demi company... :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309448-the-fuss-of-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4090877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 They really should have waiting until SM got updated before pushing out the other books. :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309448-the-fuss-of-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4090892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Yeah, It's starting to seem like they just pushed us out to give nidz and opponent at this point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309448-the-fuss-of-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4090914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Bear in mind that the BA book was probably finished during 6th ed, and so probably has that 6th ed mindset. 7th was released in...July? last year. It it essentially the last 6th ed style book, and one where they were just beginning to see what formations could do. Necrons were probably finished towards the end of 6th, beginning of 7th. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309448-the-fuss-of-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4091127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Aye that's a very true point. Let's hope for a WD decurion and an FAQ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309448-the-fuss-of-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4091219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartali Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I really dont get it. Why do some people think our dreads are far worse then other codies ? I never ever play a game without my DC dread´s. It drops flames and rips apart everything I charge with them. GK Dreads are probably the worst in the game - a fall from grace since the heights of the 5th ed codex. BA Dreads aren't as bad as that, but they're behind Space Wolf and Space Marine ones now. Why ? For Space Wolves the Axe/Shield combo makes their Dreads massively more survivable. For Space Marines it's the boost of their attacks to above the BA's dedicated CC Dreads, whilst still being able to take multiple cheaper gun options. They can squadron now too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309448-the-fuss-of-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4091976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Squadrons aren't all that. They have to shoot and charge the same target and have to be within 4" of each other. Meanwhile, they have no viable transport options as you can only take a Drop Pod if the squadron comprises of one Dreadnought and putting them inside three Stormravens is 1) costly and 2) impossible as a unit can't board three transports. Finally, someone like Mephiston could rip all three apart in combat as the damage will carry over to the others. The only thing C:SM have over us is two extra Attacks base. It's not make or break really. As for C:SW Dreadnoughts, yes a Blizzard shield makes them more survivable but our niche is the ability to hit before and harder. Personally, I prefer that method. As for cheaper guns on the regular Dreadnought, when was the last time you found the space for one? My point is, it may not be fair, but it's not really something we're missing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309448-the-fuss-of-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4092063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHelion Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 As Jolemai points out, it really is much of a muchness. The extra attack is a big thing, but the cheap gun options is rather more situational. I think the biggest change is that it means that a gun-fist dread will still have a reasonable amount of punch in combat, giving dreads some much needed flexibility. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309448-the-fuss-of-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4092169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartali Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Dread Squadrons are interesting. I could see a squad of three with Lascannons walking around the table and someone like Tiggy throwing buffs on them being fun. You don't have to take a squadron of course, it's another option. C:SM Dreads have more attacks with a proper gun, and are cheaper. A podded Muti-Melta/Heavy Flamer is quite nice, but I imagine still won't be taken by SM players 'cos of better options Re SW Axe/Shield Dreads. It's no guarantee that BA Dreads go first - they need the charge for that. Despite this, it's still more likely the SW Dread will pen the BA Dread even when it goes second. Anecdotally in the only time I've played vs the SW Dread, it's walked through both a Fragioso and a DC Fist Dread Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309448-the-fuss-of-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4092170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I'd quite like access to a squad of 3 riflemen with Las/assault cannon and missiles. Stride them forward for a decent mobile dakka Base. Even if the missiles are only single shot, something that is very strange considering thier look! Should be a cyclone at least. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309448-the-fuss-of-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4092286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venemox Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Imagine your DC, Furioso, or Libby Dread as part of a 3 strong sqadron... in one slot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309448-the-fuss-of-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4092852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Walking across the board with a big sign saying "shoot me please"? No thanks :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309448-the-fuss-of-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4092870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHelion Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 The only place I'd really want squadron Dreads ins as a firebase support. Three riflemen Dreads taking heat off of sniper scouts camping an objective, or three with HFlamer Fists and Assault Cannons protecting my backfield could be nice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309448-the-fuss-of-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4093180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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