TopToffee Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Has anyone given consideration to using the Libraries Conclave formation (on bikes) to PROBABLY get Sanctuary, and give a pack of TWC (equipped with SS), IP's and Harald a 2++ invul? You could also throw in a unit of Black Knights and and Interrogator Chaplain, and the monster unit would have a 2++ invul on (at least) 4 multi wound models (3 TWC minimum plus Lord on TWM), Hit and Run, Scout, Fear (chaplain), Furious Charge (Harald), and a bunch of cyber/fenrisian wolves as ablative wounds. That seems like an absolutely ridiculous deathstar, which almost nothing in the game could actually kill (or so it seems) and which could split off up to 9 component parts (Harald, IP, IP, Chaplain, Lib, Lib, Lib, TWC, BK), 5 of which can turbo boost to grab objectives as and when needed. Given the footprint that unit would have, you'd also have pretty amazing board control against a lot of armies. Seems pretty damned nasty to me, though I may well be missing something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309468-thunderwolf-cavalry-tactica-thread/page/4/#findComment-4112752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebymster Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Well, I did think about putting rune priest or someone else useful on a bike, or even jump pack, with TWC, but thought "you'd lose fleet for the charge." I don't know a lot outside of the wolf and Bangles Dex's. What / where is this conclave formation please? Also how many points would this mega death star cost? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309468-thunderwolf-cavalry-tactica-thread/page/4/#findComment-4112834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulfgar hammerfist Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Librarius Conclave is in Codex: Space Marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309468-thunderwolf-cavalry-tactica-thread/page/4/#findComment-4112987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Has anyone given consideration to using the Libraries Conclave formation (on bikes) to PROBABLY get Sanctuary, and give a pack of TWC (equipped with SS), IP's and Harald a 2++ invul? Still an excessively high chance to Perils, right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309468-thunderwolf-cavalry-tactica-thread/page/4/#findComment-4113060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonesaw69 Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Not really. When you succeed on generating a charge on 2+ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309468-thunderwolf-cavalry-tactica-thread/page/4/#findComment-4113070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopToffee Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Well, I did think about putting rune priest or someone else useful on a bike, or even jump pack, with TWC, but thought "you'd lose fleet for the charge." I don't know a lot outside of the wolf and Bangles Dex's. What / where is this conclave formation please? Also how many points would this mega death star cost? Not gonna lie, it's a lot :D At a pretty bare minimum, you can run the deathstar for about 1300. Obviously it's a huge points investment, but i'd be really interested to see how it fairs. There's not a lot that could stand up to it, or take it down, imho. The version i made up (mostly for giggles) was Harald, 6TWC, 2 IP, 4 Librarians, Interrogator Chaplain and 5 Black Knights, and that came to 1663. lol. Which left just enough for an 80pt Dark Angel scout tax, and a Fire Raptor in a 2000pt list. Usually the answer to these things is volume of fire, but if my maths is right, you'd be doing one wound for every 35 shots (bolter equivalent) - and bearing in mind the first 8ish wounds you do are going to be soaked up by cyber/fen wolves... it's faintly ridiculous. Has anyone given consideration to using the Libraries Conclave formation (on bikes) to PROBABLY get Sanctuary, and give a pack of TWC (equipped with SS), IP's and Harald a 2++ invul? Still an excessively high chance to Perils, right? Not really. When you succeed on generating a charge on 2+ Exactly. Harnessing warp charges on 2+ means you can throw a really minimal number of your (at least) 6+D6 dice at each power Obviously you'd also have a decent chance of getting Hammerhand too. So your TWC would be running round at S7 base :-D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309468-thunderwolf-cavalry-tactica-thread/page/4/#findComment-4113434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebymster Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 The other thing I've missed out on here: who are Black Knights? Where are they from / found? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309468-thunderwolf-cavalry-tactica-thread/page/4/#findComment-4113702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopToffee Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 The other thing I've missed out on here: who are Black Knights? Where are they from / found? They're the "elite" bikers from the Dark Angels codex. They're S5 rending like TWC, and their bikes have twin linked 18" plasma guns (in place of twin linked bolters). Plus they have hit and run, which would confer to the whole unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309468-thunderwolf-cavalry-tactica-thread/page/4/#findComment-4113733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebymster Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 ...and they can be taken as a formation? Data slate ally? (no, that's why you had scout tax!?) Is that where interrogator chaplain comes from too? They seem like a bit of a cherry on the cake? From whom would you want to hit and run? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309468-thunderwolf-cavalry-tactica-thread/page/4/#findComment-4113911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
teku Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Has anyone given consideration to using the Libraries Conclave formation (on bikes) to PROBABLY get Sanctuary, and give a pack of TWC (equipped with SS), IP's and Harald a 2++ invul? You could also throw in a unit of Black Knights and and Interrogator Chaplain, and the monster unit would have a 2++ invul on (at least) 4 multi wound models (3 TWC minimum plus Lord on TWM), Hit and Run, Scout, Fear (chaplain), Furious Charge (Harald), and a bunch of cyber/fenrisian wolves as ablative wounds. That seems like an absolutely ridiculous deathstar, which almost nothing in the game could actually kill (or so it seems) and which could split off up to 9 component parts (Harald, IP, IP, Chaplain, Lib, Lib, Lib, TWC, BK), 5 of which can turbo boost to grab objectives as and when needed. Given the footprint that unit would have, you'd also have pretty amazing board control against a lot of armies. Seems pretty damned nasty to me, though I may well be missing something. sorry to pop you're bubble but the Black Knights can't join the TWC. Because they don't have Indepentent Character rule. you could take 3 battle leaders instead of the TWC. to have more 2+ saves Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309468-thunderwolf-cavalry-tactica-thread/page/4/#findComment-4115041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebymster Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 True dat! :-( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309468-thunderwolf-cavalry-tactica-thread/page/4/#findComment-4115167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopToffee Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Has anyone given consideration to using the Libraries Conclave formation (on bikes) to PROBABLY get Sanctuary, and give a pack of TWC (equipped with SS), IP's and Harald a 2++ invul? You could also throw in a unit of Black Knights and and Interrogator Chaplain, and the monster unit would have a 2++ invul on (at least) 4 multi wound models (3 TWC minimum plus Lord on TWM), Hit and Run, Scout, Fear (chaplain), Furious Charge (Harald), and a bunch of cyber/fenrisian wolves as ablative wounds. That seems like an absolutely ridiculous deathstar, which almost nothing in the game could actually kill (or so it seems) and which could split off up to 9 component parts (Harald, IP, IP, Chaplain, Lib, Lib, Lib, TWC, BK), 5 of which can turbo boost to grab objectives as and when needed. Given the footprint that unit would have, you'd also have pretty amazing board control against a lot of armies. Seems pretty damned nasty to me, though I may well be missing something. sorry to pop you're bubble but the Black Knights can't join the TWC. Because they don't have Indepentent Character rule. you could take 3 battle leaders instead of the TWC. to have more 2+ saves Apologies, of course they can't. When I started making that list, it was just Wolf Lords and Iron Priests, and for some reason in my head morphed it into including a pack of TWC, without putting the blindingly obvious 2 and 2 together. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309468-thunderwolf-cavalry-tactica-thread/page/4/#findComment-4115234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopToffee Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Taking the above "revelation" into account, at 1850 you could get the following: Harald 3x WGBL w/ WC, SS, TWM 3x IP w TWM (All the above maxed out on Fen/Cyberwolves) Librarius Conclave 3x Lvl 2 Librarians on bikes Interrogator Chaplain w/ displacer field 5 scouts with sniper rifle/camp cloaks 3 Black Knights Assuming you got the right powers off, on the charge you'd have: Harald and 3 IP at S10 (AP 2 and 1 respectively) 3WGBL @ S9 AP3, shred (All the above with rending for good measure!) Chaplain at S9, AP4 concussive Black Knights at S8 rending Plus 6 plasma shots 3 librarians at S7 AP3, Force Plus 18 ablative wounds running round with S7 attacks!! It's ridiculously silly, but Christ that would hit like an absolute freight train!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309468-thunderwolf-cavalry-tactica-thread/page/4/#findComment-4115253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Do not forget that bikes can also jink and the DA can take the Darkshroud granting an even better survival rate. I am currently working on this exact list idea and calling it Jink-yard Dogs. It's a take on the Super Friends list. End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309468-thunderwolf-cavalry-tactica-thread/page/4/#findComment-4115259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopToffee Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Do not forget that bikes can also jink and the DA can take the Darkshroud granting an even better survival rate. I am currently working on this exact list idea and calling it Jink-yard Dogs. It's a take on the Super Friends list. End of Line Sorry, but if I ever make this list, that name is getting stolen so fast it'll make your head spin. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309468-thunderwolf-cavalry-tactica-thread/page/4/#findComment-4115373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebymster Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Yeah, but allies with Dark Angels.... C'mon! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309468-thunderwolf-cavalry-tactica-thread/page/4/#findComment-4117036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlodVargarna Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Anybody ever run Harald +2FW in a unit of 15FW using his outflank? I'm thinking it might be a cool trick. Of course could add in IP or 2 w/CW, or a WGBL with Black Death axe +2FW to split off and wreck face on a squishy unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309468-thunderwolf-cavalry-tactica-thread/page/4/#findComment-4117504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulfgar hammerfist Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 I have run that unit a few times and it is fun but you have to hide him on the turn he comes in since he can't charge when he come on. Otherwise he'll get shot to bits. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309468-thunderwolf-cavalry-tactica-thread/page/4/#findComment-4117564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gherrick Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 actually, you want harold out in front, since even storm bolters will slaughter those wolves far too quickly. All you need to do is do a bunch of look out sir's if there is any particulr nasty attack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309468-thunderwolf-cavalry-tactica-thread/page/4/#findComment-4117696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatSmasher Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 harald immunity to flamers is often overlooked in this case as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309468-thunderwolf-cavalry-tactica-thread/page/4/#findComment-4118043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfMonk Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Has anyone given consideration to using the Libraries Conclave formation (on bikes) to PROBABLY get Sanctuary, and give a pack of TWC (equipped with SS), IP's and Harald a 2++ invul? Still an excessively high chance to Perils, right? Not really. When you succeed on generating a charge on 2+ Well yeah its a 100% chance of perill if your not a Grey knight manifesting a Sanctic power... Its on page 28 in the rulebook... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309468-thunderwolf-cavalry-tactica-thread/page/4/#findComment-4119489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopToffee Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Has anyone given consideration to using the Libraries Conclave formation (on bikes) to PROBABLY get Sanctuary, and give a pack of TWC (equipped with SS), IP's and Harald a 2++ invul? Still an excessively high chance to Perils, right? Not really. When you succeed on generating a charge on 2+ Well yeah its a 100% chance of perill if your not a Grey knight manifesting a Sanctic power... Its on page 28 in the rulebook... Pretty sure you perils on any double, not 100% of the time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309468-thunderwolf-cavalry-tactica-thread/page/4/#findComment-4119554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Yeah, it's on any double. Since you manifest Sanctuary on a 2+, you can avoid the Perils now by only ever throwing a single dice at it. Doesn't guarantee that you'll get it, but it beats the high risk of Perils. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309468-thunderwolf-cavalry-tactica-thread/page/4/#findComment-4119911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fytharin Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Isn't it just double six's though? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309468-thunderwolf-cavalry-tactica-thread/page/4/#findComment-4126272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gherrick Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Isn't it just double six's though? Not for Sanctic, unless you are Grey Knights. All others that use Santic spells peril on any double. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309468-thunderwolf-cavalry-tactica-thread/page/4/#findComment-4126362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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