Skalpynock Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 The old IV Legion, Pre-Primarch, had the most potential as the 'generic' Legion. Simply put, they were workhorses, worked well with mortals, and followed the mission to the letter. They worked so well with mortals that said mortals called them "Corpse Grinders" and feared being deployed with them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/5/#findComment-4096087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Lol, I meant mortal command structure. It makes mention in the book that the IV Legion would willingly subsume their company under Imperial Command outside of the Legion, which is pretty crazy for Transhumans. But no, ya never want to be a grunt alongside IV Legion warriors, even back in the day when they were easy to work with. They're still IV Legion, and you're still just a tool to them, until after the battle. Then, if you're lucky, you're ignored. If you're not, you get selected for the next trench raid. Adios, amigo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/5/#findComment-4096175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naram-Sin Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Lol, I meant mortal command structure. It makes mention in the book that the IV Legion would willingly subsume their company under Imperial Command outside of the Legion, which is pretty crazy for Transhumans. But no, ya never want to be a grunt alongside IV Legion warriors, even back in the day when they were easy to work with. They're still IV Legion, and you're still just a tool to them, until after the battle. Then, if you're lucky, you're ignored. If you're not, you get selected for the next trench raid. Adios, amigo. That's why I love the Iron Warriors. They are the perfect soldiers: efficency, iron will, iron heart: No fancy tricks, no respite, no retreat, no mercy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/5/#findComment-4096301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Iron rusts. Iron brakes. Iron can be shattered. You need more then Iron to win a war. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/5/#findComment-4096317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted June 21, 2015 Author Share Posted June 21, 2015 Lol, I meant mortal command structure. It makes mention in the book that the IV Legion would willingly subsume their company under Imperial Command outside of the Legion, which is pretty crazy for Transhumans. But no, ya never want to be a grunt alongside IV Legion warriors, even back in the day when they were easy to work with. They're still IV Legion, and you're still just a tool to them, until after the battle. Then, if you're lucky, you're ignored. If you're not, you get selected for the next trench raid. Adios, amigo. That's why I love the Iron Warriors. They are the perfect soldiers: efficency, iron will, iron heart: No fancy tricks, no respite, no retreat, no mercy. Everyone needs a few fancy tricks! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/5/#findComment-4096359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naram-Sin Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Iron rusts. Iron brakes. Iron can be shattered. You need more then Iron to win a war. Yep.Also a big gun Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/5/#findComment-4096370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 And who maintains the big guns, who produces the ammo for it, the parts that let's it fire, who maintains the the machine spirit of the weapon, who maintians the servitors who work the targeting systems. The big cogs only turn with the help of the little cogs. Iron neeeds flesh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/5/#findComment-4096413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soldier of Dorn Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 I once stood, clad in midnight, a son of my doomed father. Born of Terror, I lorded over the night with a red right hand. I was a Raven of the Xeric, fated to die at Terra. I fought Xenos and Traitor, but in the end, a former brother struck me down. I called myself a Bearer of the Word, a loyal son of Lorgar. But hubris defeated me, and the shame of failure. What am I now? I am a War Hound, His white hand of Death. For the Glory of the Twelfth Legion! Victory to the Sons of Terra! Not for us those unholy Nails, not for us a broken Father. We are the ancient, the bloody, the pure. Hail! Hail! Hail! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/5/#findComment-4096534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Lol, I meant mortal command structure. It makes mention in the book that the IV Legion would willingly subsume their company under Imperial Command outside of the Legion, which is pretty crazy for Transhumans. But no, ya never want to be a grunt alongside IV Legion warriors, even back in the day when they were easy to work with. They're still IV Legion, and you're still just a tool to them, until after the battle. Then, if you're lucky, you're ignored. If you're not, you get selected for the next trench raid. Adios, amigo. That's why I love the Iron Warriors. They are the perfect soldiers: efficency, iron will, iron heart: No fancy tricks, no respite, no retreat, no mercy. Everyone needs a few fancy tricks! Why? The old tricks work just fine. No sense in re-inventing the wheel. Just nuke the :cuss ing place. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/5/#findComment-4096639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted June 21, 2015 Author Share Posted June 21, 2015 Lol, I meant mortal command structure. It makes mention in the book that the IV Legion would willingly subsume their company under Imperial Command outside of the Legion, which is pretty crazy for Transhumans. But no, ya never want to be a grunt alongside IV Legion warriors, even back in the day when they were easy to work with. They're still IV Legion, and you're still just a tool to them, until after the battle. Then, if you're lucky, you're ignored. If you're not, you get selected for the next trench raid. Adios, amigo. That's why I love the Iron Warriors. They are the perfect soldiers: efficency, iron will, iron heart: No fancy tricks, no respite, no retreat, no mercy. Everyone needs a few fancy tricks! Why? The old tricks work just fine. No sense in re-inventing the wheel. Just nuke the ing place. Because with out tricks, you cant possibly have as much swagger as the Ultras or luna wolves! They are the pretty boys for a reason! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/5/#findComment-4096663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 I think the Emperors Children are the 'pretty boys'... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/5/#findComment-4096691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 I don't need swagger. Or honors. Or respect. Or pretty toys. Put me in plain and easy to repair plate; give me a bolter, stripped to it's rudiments. A sharpened entrenching tool and gladius for trench work; and a cluster of scavenged grenades and bangalores for battlefield engineering, and I'll give you a world, somewhat intact. Keep your shineys. You need them more than the IV Legion does. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/5/#findComment-4096699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Give me Matt Black mark VI, a bolter, and a knife. I'll wait in the darkness, when you get close, you will die. No one will mourn you, no one will celebrate, I'll just move on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/5/#findComment-4096723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 No one will more you, no one will celebrate, I'll just move on. The the IV and XIX Legions actually have something in common then, cousin... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/5/#findComment-4096730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted June 21, 2015 Author Share Posted June 21, 2015 Speaking of armor, anyone know what Mk Ventanus' actually is? The cables across his chest seem bigger then most. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/5/#findComment-4096750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Looks like standard Mk IV to me, with a little dressing up of the collar. http://i.imgur.com/22vUBoo.png Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/5/#findComment-4096794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted June 21, 2015 Author Share Posted June 21, 2015 Looks like standard Mk IV to me, with a little dressing up of the collar. http://i.imgur.com/22vUBoo.png Dont those cables look a lot bigger then normal? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/5/#findComment-4096820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 No one will more you, no one will celebrate, I'll just move on. The the IV and XIX Legions actually have something in common then, cousin... Damn my typo. I love that pic btw. The difference between the IV and the XIX is that when it came to it, at the point you were stretched to the limit, you decided you had enough, you decided to break your oaths in a childish tantrum, to cross the Rubicon with a mad dictator and his pet gods. 8 Legions brought down hell on the XIX, and we just picked our selfs up and carried on. Iron breaks. Shadows will always remain. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/5/#findComment-4096822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Looks like standard Mk IV to me, with a little dressing up of the collar. http://i.imgur.com/22vUBoo.png Dont those cables look a lot bigger then normal? http://i.imgur.com/i3PSEK8.png Not really. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/5/#findComment-4096825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted June 21, 2015 Author Share Posted June 21, 2015 imo they look at least twice as thick and wide. But perhaps thats just because of his captaincy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/5/#findComment-4096829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Would like to say, a friend emailed FW and they confirmed that spiked shoulder pads are on their list of things to do, and seeing as Ventanus has them in that piece of artwork, and the Mark of Calth artwork hopefully we will get them soon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/5/#findComment-4096836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted June 21, 2015 Author Share Posted June 21, 2015 Would like to say, a friend emailed FW and they confirmed that spiked shoulder pads are on their list of things to do, and seeing as Ventanus has them in that piece of artwork, and the Mark of Calth artwork hopefully we will get them soon. You mean there making spiked pads for normal astartes? Damn, that was one feature that made Ventanus unique. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/5/#findComment-4096838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 You're seeing the entire width of the cable in the drawing, but because it's starting to fade away, I think it gives the illusion that it's much wider than it appears to be. It looks perfectly in scale with the normal Mk IV cabling to me, and I can't imagine any reason why a Captain would want or need wider power cables. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/5/#findComment-4096839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted June 21, 2015 Author Share Posted June 21, 2015 You're seeing the entire with of the cable in the drawing, but because it's starting to fade away, I think it gives the illusion that it's much wider than it appears to be. It looks perfectly in scale with the normal Mk IV cabling to me, and I can't imagine any reason why a Captain would want or need wider power cables. I think this is still in my head http://www.blacklibrary.com/Images/Product/DefaultBL/xlarge/poster-mark-of-calth.jpg I guess i just think his cables are always bigger. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/5/#findComment-4096841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 The cables might be more of an artists choice. I would say Ventanus is clad in MK IV. And back on topic: Who needs shadows? You are an astartes, you are the living image of the Imperiums glory, you need to stand tall and proud while your bolter sings its terrifying war cry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/5/#findComment-4096852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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