Hyaenidae Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 And yet there is evidence, and there is truth...this is the beauty of the Primordial Truth that you are missing. It is not about faith or belief when Gods are real, when you have a Soul, and a place for it to go when you die. The truth of it is this. I do not require faith...the Gods are real, and they can be seen, just as plainly as the results of your Imperial 'truth'. You very much should fear death however, for the Warp is not kind to the unprepared. Power does not make a God. The torturous madness of the Warp does not make it a heaven, nor a hell. Did your vile patrons bring the universe into tumultuous existence? Did they ignite the stars, or seed the planets with life? No. They are capable of nothing but destruction, pitiful beings that can merely feed of the consciousness of true life. Your gods are parasites. You abase yourselves before them because you are too terrified to accept that there is no greater plan, no universal truth. There is only the bitter reality of life. What I read was: http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/3551632/robin-rottingham-duel-o.gif Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/7/#findComment-4098299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 And yet there is evidence, and there is truth...this is the beauty of the Primordial Truth that you are missing. It is not about faith or belief when Gods are real, when you have a Soul, and a place for it to go when you die. The truth of it is this. I do not require faith...the Gods are real, and they can be seen, just as plainly as the results of your Imperial 'truth'. You very much should fear death however, for the Warp is not kind to the unprepared. Power does not make a God. The torturous madness of the Warp does not make it a heaven, nor a hell. Did your vile patrons bring the universe into tumultuous existence? Did they ignite the stars, or seed the planets with life? No. They are capable of nothing but destruction, pitiful beings that can merely feed of the consciousness of true life. Your gods are parasites. You abase yourselves before them because you are too terrified to accept that there is no greater plan, no universal truth. There is only the bitter reality of life. This. Is. So. Beautiful. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/7/#findComment-4098359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 And yet there is evidence, and there is truth...this is the beauty of the Primordial Truth that you are missing. It is not about faith or belief when Gods are real, when you have a Soul, and a place for it to go when you die. The truth of it is this. I do not require faith...the Gods are real, and they can be seen, just as plainly as the results of your Imperial 'truth'. You very much should fear death however, for the Warp is not kind to the unprepared. Power does not make a God. The torturous madness of the Warp does not make it a heaven, nor a hell. Did your vile patrons bring the universe into tumultuous existence? Did they ignite the stars, or seed the planets with life? No. They are capable of nothing but destruction, pitiful beings that can merely feed of the consciousness of true life. Your gods are parasites. You abase yourselves before them because you are too terrified to accept that there is no greater plan, no universal truth. There is only the bitter reality of life. Oh there is a universal truth, and its more terrifying than the shrinking island of 'reality' that you cling to. 'God' what is a God by definition? Call them what you will, but they can do far more than destroy. There is change, there is growth, there is life. Are they powered by our own desires? Do they not gain, and provide strength based on nothing more than our own actions? This is not a parasitic relationship, this is symbiosis, this is a joining of the Warp, the unconscious, and the divine, with the base, the corporeal, the plain, to raise it up! This is more, and its seen every time you enter the Warp. What power does reality hold in the warp? Your laws of physics, logic, and the machine. Do they hold court there, above the whims of madness? In the Ocean of Souls, yes Souls, does your Imperial Truth grow stronger, or is proven to be a lie? The most base of lie in fact, to not only stunt your growth, to stunt the growth of Humanity, but to consolidate power in the form of the one being who denied being a God? I suppose it should be no surprise that an Iron Hand would deny what is so clearly seen, you seek to remove your humanity as weakness, when the warp is the power of Humanity made manifest! EDIT: And I will make it plain, not all worship the powers of the Warp, but to argue against their truth? That they exist and have power beyond mortal reckoning? Such willful ignorance cannot go without consequence. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/7/#findComment-4098363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relict Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 I'm in the midst of building two armies - World Eaters and Ultramarines, the latter with a Mechanicum component. That said, I consider myself aligning with the XII Legion more than the others. Why? The World Eaters strike me as possessing a simple, almost instinctual purpose. There is no overwrought Legion hierarchy as is present in the likes of the III and XIII Legions. There is no overt religious/cultural zealotry as seen in the VI and XVII Legions. The only thing that goes in the XII Legion is: get these maniacs and their chainaxes into the thick of the enemy by any means necessary. They embody the purest passion of Man - to kill one another. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/7/#findComment-4098480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted June 22, 2015 Author Share Posted June 22, 2015 There are no Gods. There is only the Imperial truth. To worship beings is to sell you soul. To embrace science and reason is to become the master of yourself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/7/#findComment-4098483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 The Imperial Truth says you dont have a soul, brother. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/7/#findComment-4098490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Power, power the law of the land. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/7/#findComment-4098495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relict Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Who needs a soul when one has the flensed skulls of his foes instead? :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/7/#findComment-4098505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 There are no Gods, just fools who would follow. All that lies in the Warp is madness. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/7/#findComment-4098523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted June 22, 2015 Author Share Posted June 22, 2015 What else could we want other than science and reason? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/7/#findComment-4098607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandwen Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 What else could we want other than science and reason?Honesty? Truth? Competence? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/7/#findComment-4098631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 What else could we want other than science and reason?Honesty? Truth? Competence? The human race is genetically incapable doing those three things. Reason is a stretch also. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/7/#findComment-4098638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted June 23, 2015 Author Share Posted June 23, 2015 What else could we want other than science and reason?Honesty? Truth? Competence? Science is truth. Science is honest Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/7/#findComment-4098652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 See you all get it wrong. You weren't created to understand the universe or to know it's secrets. You were chosen. Chosen at birth by the Emperor himself. He made you immortal and he made you powerful. He took away your weak mortal families and gave you immortality. All he asked was service. What man can call himself a man that refuses such a gift. There is no truth. There is only what your Emperor and Father allow you to be. You were born special. Do not forsake it for some primordial truth. Do not forsake his gift. Do not forsake your father. Go on. Do your duty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/7/#findComment-4098673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 See you all get it wrong. You weren't created to understand the universe or to know it's secrets. You were chosen. Chosen at birth by the Emperor himself. He made you immortal and he made you powerful. He took away your weak mortal families and gave you immortality. All he asked was service. What man can call himself a man that refuses such a gift. There is no truth. There is only what your Emperor and Father allow you to be. You were born special. Do not forsake it for some primordial truth. Do not forsake his gift. Do not forsake your father. Go on. Do your duty. For every one of these, there are those children stolen away, forced into bondage, cut open, experimented on, and made into a monster to propagate a lie. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/7/#findComment-4098678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 See you all get it wrong. You weren't created to understand the universe or to know it's secrets. You were chosen. Chosen at birth by the Emperor himself. He made you immortal and he made you powerful. He took away your weak mortal families and gave you immortality. All he asked was service. What man can call himself a man that refuses such a gift. There is no truth. There is only what your Emperor and Father allow you to be. You were born special. Do not forsake it for some primordial truth. Do not forsake his gift. Do not forsake your father. Go on. Do your duty. For every one of these, there are those children stolen away, forced into bondage, cut open, experimented on, and made into a monster to propagate a lie. And yet, what would these children be were they not taken and so elevated? Dregs? Mutants? Wasted Potential? For those forcibly taken are those whom the future is bleakest. Those given willingly or who join of their own free will, do not propagate a lie, they propagate the Imperial Truth, they propagate humanity ascendant. Once so elevated, there is only duty for that duty is what gave us the chance to ascend in the first place. To forsake it is to forsake your purpose, your raison d'etre. To believe in the Parasitic False Gods is to betray not only your Cousins, those who you swore to protect and the Emperor, you betray yourself. You might believe yourself to be free but, are you truly? You are no better than us. While we serve the Emperor, he who is Humanity Ascendant Personified and a single, unified will and ideal, you put yourselves at the mercy of fickle gods who care only to feed off your misery, trials and tribulations and for you to endeavor to drag the rest of humanity down into depravity alongside you. They do not wish to see humanity free from them like the Emperor. They do not wish to see humanity achieve its full potential. They only wish to feed. They are Parasites. And like Parasites, they deserve only to be excised. There is only Duty and you have failed to accomplish that much. (OOC, I'm unsure about this post. I've re-read it a few times and I don't think its stepping out of the bounds of an Astartes, is it?) +++++++ Oh, and for those who Frequent this corner of the Boards, I don't think I need to tell you which Legion I chose Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/7/#findComment-4098693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Where is this parasitic nature my brothers? This is union. We of the Word do not funnel our energy into the Warp, it is both give and receive! Talk of Freedom from one of the Great Crusaders is the greatest farce of them all. The Emperor is a Tyrant. He makes no claim to be otherwise. It is not liberation that he proposes, it is not Independence that we fought for. Unity, Control, Order, Tyranny. That is what we brought to this Galaxy at the end of Bolter and Chainsword. Brothers, did you ever arrive at a planet to be turned away and leave?!? No. I do not imagine that you did. You forced the Imperial Truth upon humanity, and none more passionately than we! Do not preach to us what it means to live the Imperial Truth, no...our crime was that we believed too much, felt that the Emperor was more than he claimed, and was worthy of more than just the Galaxy.... No, do not use words of duty, or honor, of humanity ascendant...the Imperial Truth was the shackles, and we the gaolers...there to bind Humanity to the will of one being, on the grounds of a lie that there is no other powers...that nothing peers back at us from the Abyss...that we and the xeno are alone and that rational thought is all there is. We fought to enslave our species with the lies of a tyrant...and we where wrong to do so. (OOC - EDIT: For what its worth this is quite enjoyable as I preach the Word to you all, Mods, feel free to lock this if we are too out of control! :D) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/7/#findComment-4098704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 The Imperial "Truth". No gods. No souls. No magic. Just "science". Just "reason". What a pathetic joke. Such arrogance, to say "Anything that I do not understand does not exist", and then to believe it. The truth is that it doesn't matter if you believe in the gods or not. For they most certainly believe in you. As you are, so were we. As we are, so shall you be. (Oh, and to the OP: Word Bearers.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/7/#findComment-4098974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain Angel Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 To put my two cents on the op, I have to say it's a three way tie between the 3, 9 and 10. The 3 and 10 just as much together as apart. The third legion is just marvelous because they strive for perfection. Everything they do is in an attempt to get the absolute best result. They appreciate art and culture just as much as the thousand sons. The rose from the ashes after falling to only 200 strong. But their pride and their desire for this perfection led to thier downfall. They drank to deep from the well of desire and wound up twisted. Second, the tenth. I'm often like the sons of the gorgon, as much as I can be like the phonecian's sons. They are stubborn, ruthless, unbreakable. They also strive to have perfection. In this way, they are almost the opposite and the equal of the third. And then you compare the two together and it just becomes perfect. Before the heresy, both strove to be perfect. After, they became the mirror of each other. The iron hands strove to eliminate weakness by eliminating the flesh. The third stove for perception by embracing all sensations and pleasures. Than you have the primarchs which I could write a whole essay on. For the 9th, read fear to tread. You need no more explanation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/7/#findComment-4099369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
noigrim Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 III top (it was Fulgrim by Graham Mc Neil what really got me into the heresy) XX bottom; seriously they kill themselves just because they primarchs think that they should "be prepared", what? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/7/#findComment-4099396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 III top (it was Fulgrim by Graham Mc Neil what really got me into the heresy) XX bottom; seriously they kill themselves just because they primarchs think that they should "be prepared", what? Strangely it was Fulgrim that made me hate the IIIrd legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/7/#findComment-4099414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 To seriously answer the OPs question, ever since I read "Lord of the Night" and "Horus Rising" I just can't see myself as a Loyalist. The Night Lords were a favorite of mine early on ("Don't call me a monster because I have the strength to do what needs to be done!") with the World Eaters jockeying for the spot based on the strength of "After De'Shea". Meanwhile, based on the lore at the time, Legions like the Sons of Horus & The Word Bearers didn't appeal to me. Their falls seemed to be more along the lines of "YAAARRR! WE'RE EVIL NOW!" than the VIII being cast out for the "sin" of adopting the Inquisition's terror tactics ten thousand years too early, or the tortured warrior ethos of the Twelfth. And then I read The First Heretic. The story of a man who never wanted to be a warlord, but who set his world aflame because God told him to. Who crusaded and killed hoping, praying, that when it was over God would descend and bring enlightenment and healing, would make all the horror mean something. And his visions were right, and his prayers were answered, and God came down and said "A good start. Now do this again, and again, and again..." That's a fall I can respect. And so I Bear the Word. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/7/#findComment-4099454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 But it wanst a God who came down. It was a Man. Am extrodanary man, but a man. I will not say the Emperor has not asked us to do the extreame. We fight, kill, burn, we tear down entire civilisations. But we do it because we have to, Mankind will not survive devided. There are no Gods but the ones we make ourselves. The Emperor has given us the chance to forge a human universe rulled by humans acting for humans, not being controlled by Gods Daemons and Spirits. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/7/#findComment-4099472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faith Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 I cannot say... Just a joke. I play Ultramarines in 40k and Horus Heresy and i come frome Rome. I have to be honest I like almost every legion in this setting some more some less. I really love Space Wolves (I started second edition using them) and the thousand son, I love Sons of Horus, Dark and blood angels... The bad side of this setting is that everything is wonderful. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/7/#findComment-4099504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 What the Emperor gave us is debatable. Mostly, it appears that what the Emperor offered was a human universe, controlled by the Emperor, where humans act as the Emperor bids them. Of course, he says otherwise ("It is not my Imperium. It is the Imperium of Man!") but there's an old saying about actions and words that seems appropriate. And for someone who keeps insisting that He doesn't want worship and adoration he does so love appearing before his subjects as a blazing radiance of raw power so intense that merely looking on Him can blind or kill, instead of, say, the humble traveler who debated the priest of the lightning stone in "The Last Church". And as far as "I do what must be done to save humanity", that is also the justification of Lorgar and the Word Bearers, even back in the Index Astartes days. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309608-your-legion/page/7/#findComment-4099513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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