demio Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 So I'm new to the Heresy and always said when I did it it would be Imperial Fists. My legion choice won't change. I am honestly struggling to make a list I like though. I did have a thought for a bit of a crazy 3000 point list which I think would be fun but was hoping for your thoughts as I don't want to get steamrolled everytime. Rogal Dorn His ThunderHawk Gunship X5 Terminators with TH/SS - 1260 Storm Eagle X10 Breacher marines - 435 Storm Eagle X10 Breacher marines - 435 PrimusMedicae Scimitar Jetbike -130 Legion praetor Scimitar Jetbike - 145 X6 Scimitar Jetbikes - 240 X6 Scimitar Jetbikes - 240 2885 points At this stage I have 115 points left and I haven't thought about any upgrades as I'm not to sure yet. What do you guys think? Can this work and what would you do to make it work? Cheers! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309983-not-the-norm-imperial-fists/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna707 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I am in love with this list! I don't know how effective it will be but good god I would be terrified to play against it! Please make this I want to see what it will look like on the table. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309983-not-the-norm-imperial-fists/#findComment-4101213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
demio Posted June 24, 2015 Author Share Posted June 24, 2015 Haha cheers. My other thought was change the breachers for terminator squads as they would be troops with Dorn. Power weapons and storm shield would be the same price My worries are if the Jetbikes die before the flyers come in I believe that's game over for me and 12 Jetbikes aren't going to last long. My other option I'm toying with is a hybrid which roughly goes: Sigismund. X5 terminators power weapon SS Storm Eagle with lascannons Praetor Terminator armour Paragon blade and storm shield. X5 Terminators power weapon SS Storm Eagle lascannons Primus medicae. Jetbike X6 Jetbikes x2 plasma cannons Sicaran battle tank Sicaran venator X5 terms Landraider Legion Falchion I'm about 60 points over at the moment but this would be the compromise list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309983-not-the-norm-imperial-fists/#findComment-4101256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 First List: Is everything barebones besides the Terminator Squad? If they are, reconsider not giving them upgrades. Also, you could have a bunch of points by just scrapping a Storm Eagle and shoving the Breacher unit that was going to ride in it inside the Thunderhawk. Your other main problem is that you're essentially playing a 2k List (since Dorn and Aetos Dios take up ~1k point on their own). Not making the most of it means you're already starting on a significant back foot even if you're bringing in 2 LoW's. Doesn't help that the "punch" of your list also seems to be Dorn and 5 Terminators. Against most other CC units found at 3k, they wont really stand a Chance. Having a Single, 6 Man Squad + Transport take up 1260 points out of 3k, is not an Ideal Situation when you consider that the Salamanders can field Vulkan + 10 TH&SS Firedrakes + Terminator Primus w/ Shield in a Spartan for probably less points. +++ Second List: Take Sigismund or a Preator. Not Both since they both fill the same role and one does it hands down better than the other. You'd also be better off giving Sigismund a Squad of Templar instead of Terminators since they get 3 Attacks, 4 on the Charge (2A + CCW&BP + Charge) vs a Terminators 3, Have Furious Charge, make more use out of Sigismunds +1 Initiative on the Charge, WS5 and can Sweep. Even Against 2+ armor, though sheer weight of attacks, you have a decent chance of seriously damaging them. Also, for 30k, especially when using specialist or elite units, bigger squads are better since theres a lot of powerful firepower that is readily accessible. 5 Man terminators wont cut it, they'll just get shot to pieces. For the Jetbikes, dont take Plasma Cannons. The Moment you Jink, they're worthless. Culverins and Multi-Meltas are by far the Superior Option; give them Melta Bombs too. If you're going AirCav (which is what you seem to be trying to do), make sure you have good odds of making them come onto the board and to have enough bodies that can withstand the tons of firepower that'll be coming their way. In both Lists, the Jetbikes can Easily get 1 Shot by a Typhons S10 Ap1 Ignores Cover gun. Since this is 3k Points, they'll be pretty common as a LoW Selection. +++ The Idea of "More Quality Boys, Less Toys" is very much the idea behind such Elite Heavy Armies since you're already on the back foot body count wise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309983-not-the-norm-imperial-fists/#findComment-4101270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
demio Posted June 24, 2015 Author Share Posted June 24, 2015 Cheers slipstream. I think it's safe to say you just blew my idea out the water lol. Perhaps you could help me out. In an ideal world I would like a list with lots of tanks. I already own X20 breacher marines and 7 Jetbikes aswell as Sigismund.I'm also wanting to take a Falchion. I would obviously like to use them my problem is I'm struggling to fit things in as it all costs so many points. I keep toying with tank lists but I just can't seem to fit anything in! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309983-not-the-norm-imperial-fists/#findComment-4101282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 If you want to run Elite Armies ( which is what I do), I've got a few posts here and there that might help you make more informed choices on how to build your list: A Simple Checklist to keep in mind when List-Building Tac Vets and How you can make use of them Terminators and how you can specialize them to do specific Jobs Various Legion specific Terminator Units (kinda old, but, hey) Beatstick CC Unit Examples (Also kinda old) There are probably a few posts that I'm forgetting that might also be of help, but ehh, these should be good enough. Tank-Heavy Armies are a bit tougher for Imperial Fists since Iron Hands do it better than anybody else Look into the Armored Spearhead RoW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309983-not-the-norm-imperial-fists/#findComment-4101284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
demio Posted June 24, 2015 Author Share Posted June 24, 2015 Thanks very much! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309983-not-the-norm-imperial-fists/#findComment-4101286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I've also been toying around with the Idea of an Artillery Lists...I'll see what I can come up with later... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309983-not-the-norm-imperial-fists/#findComment-4101294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
demio Posted June 24, 2015 Author Share Posted June 24, 2015 Slipstream what about this? Sigismund X10 terminators Power weapons and SS Spartan flare shield and ceramic shielding. Sicaran Ceramite shielding Sicaran Ceramic shielding X20 breachers X4 grav guns artifice armour and power fist Apothacary X10 tac marines Rhino X6 Jetbikes bare heavy bolter Primus medicae Jetbike Legion Falchion X2 rapier gravity cannons. A lot of eggs in one basket but it's cool lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309983-not-the-norm-imperial-fists/#findComment-4101326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 If you can slap in a Aegis Defense Line in there (so you can make use of Stubborn in Fortifications / Cover) you'd have a pretty good Hammer & Anvil List, imo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309983-not-the-norm-imperial-fists/#findComment-4101350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
demio Posted June 24, 2015 Author Share Posted June 24, 2015 Aegis is 50 points me thinks? I'll see if I can free up the points. Cheers for the help I really a apreciate it! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309983-not-the-norm-imperial-fists/#findComment-4101367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Aegis is 50 points me thinks? I'll see if I can free up the points. Cheers for the help I really a apreciate it! Cut 2 Jetbikes and you're golden, if thats the case. Would also make the jetbike units profile smaller :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309983-not-the-norm-imperial-fists/#findComment-4101371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
demio Posted June 25, 2015 Author Share Posted June 25, 2015 Hmm just thinking about this list I need another troops choice to make it work for the rite of war.... back to the drawing board lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309983-not-the-norm-imperial-fists/#findComment-4102892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Hmm just thinking about this list I need another troops choice to make it work for the rite of war.... back to the drawing board lol Which RoW? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309983-not-the-norm-imperial-fists/#findComment-4102926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
demio Posted June 25, 2015 Author Share Posted June 25, 2015 So the toughness 5 with storm shield or boarding shields RoW.( I forget the name ) BUT thinking about it. If I swapped the terminators for 10 Templar Brethren then that would free up some points and also allow me to keep the list as is. Terminators would be better but I can't think of any other way of doing it considering the restrictions on the Row. I really like this list and don't really want to change it too much. I do love the Templar Brethren models but I do worry the will fold in a real fight. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309983-not-the-norm-imperial-fists/#findComment-4102983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 So the toughness 5 with storm shield or boarding shields RoW.( I forget the name ) BUT thinking about it. If I swapped the terminators for 10 Templar Brethren then that would free up some points and also allow me to keep the list as is. Terminators would be better but I can't think of any other way of doing it considering the restrictions on the Row. Stone Gauntlet. Thought so. You can easily, and justifiably, have compulsories be filled by 2 10 Man Squads with 2 Special Weapons and Sarge With Artificer Armor + Power Weapon & MB or Power Fist. Heres a Test List I made for ya. I'll let you decide how you feel about it but I felt that the Jetbikes Might not have fit with the Theme of a Stone Gauntlet RoW. +++ 3k Stone Gauntlet (3000pts) +++ ++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (3000pts) ++ + HQ (400pts) + Legion Centurion (170pts) [Artificer Armour, Boarding Shield, Solarite Power Gauntlet, Void Shield Harness] ··Consul [Primus Medicae] Sigismund (230pts) ··Master of the Legion [The Stone Gauntlet] + Troops (985pts) + Legion Breacher Siege Squad (295pts) [2x Graviton Gun, 9x Legion Breacher Siege Space Marines, Legion Vexilla] ··Legion Breacher Siege Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon] Legion Breacher Siege Squad (295pts) [2x Graviton Gun, 9x Legion Breacher Siege Space Marines, Legion Vexilla] ··Legion Breacher Siege Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon] Templar Brethren (395pts) [9x Combat Shield, Legion Vexilla, Melta Bombs, 9x Templar Brethren] ··Chapter Champion [Combat Shield, Solarite Power Gauntlet] + Elites (365pts) + Apothecarion Detachment (140pts) ··Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour, Augury Scanner, Power Sword] ··Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour, Augury Scanner, Power Sword] Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (225pts) ··Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Graviton Cannon] ··Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Graviton Cannon] ··Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Graviton Cannon] + Heavy Support (705pts) + Legion Sicaran Battle Tank (175pts) [Armoured Ceramite, Heavy Bolters] Legion Sicaran Battle Tank (175pts) [Armoured Ceramite, Heavy Bolters] Legion Spartan Assault Tank (355pts) [Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive, Dozer Blade, Flare Shield] + Legion + Legion Astartes [VII: Imperial Fists] + Lord of War (545pts) + Legion Falchion Super-heavy Tank Destroyer (545pts) [Armoured Ceramite, Space Marine Legion Crew] Now, Its only 3 10 man Squads, not great, but the Breachers have T5 And FNP meaning that only S10 Will be denying you that save and since their Breachers, they have an Invulnerable Save. Gave all the Tanks Armored Ceramite 'cuz LOLMELTA. Also Decided to shift the Primus from Jetbike Duty to Templar Duty and gave him the Void-Shield Harness for that 5" Bubble of Av12 to protect your Templar outside of the Spartan. With 2+, 5++ (in CC) and 5+FNP, they have a pretty dang good chance of surviving a lot of things they'll come into contact with. The Primus Also having a Boarding Shield means that they count as Having Defensive Grenades as long as he's around to dampen the effect of any Counter-Charges. And with each Templar having 3 Attacks Base before Charge Bonuses, they're still pretty dang scary to charge into. Not to mention Sigismunds Buffs and him also Gaining FNP due to the Primus. Very Much Eggs in one Basket for a CC Hammer, but hey. You also have a total of 7 Graviton Shots. 4 at 18" 3 at 36". If you position stuff right, you'd be able to Instagib pretty much anything with a lot of hull points heading your way or slow down any footsloggers with the Tons of Difficult/Dangerous Terrain Pie Plates possibly being tossed out. Also gave the Sicaran Heavy Bolters for More Dakka (couldn't fit Lascannons) and for Weapon Destroyed Prevention. As well as Slapping Vexillas on everything that could take one for that Morale Re-roll. Now, I forgot about the Aegis Defense Line when making this but just cutting out the HB Sponsons on the Sicarans and 1 Power Sword from the apothecaries and you should free up 50 points for one. Edit: also, if you cut out the Falchion, you could easily boost the Breacher squads to 20 Men Each with 4 Gravitons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309983-not-the-norm-imperial-fists/#findComment-4103025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cassian dracos Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 This is by no means a criticism but I believe that the title of this topic is no longer appropriate, it is now pretty much the norm Imperial Fists army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309983-not-the-norm-imperial-fists/#findComment-4103939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Very much the case :p Though, if he wanted to, he could easily run Angels Wrath and have an AirCav Army. It would, however, probably have none of the Elements present in any of the Iterations. If Demio wants, I could give him an AirCav Framework to work on if he so desires. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309983-not-the-norm-imperial-fists/#findComment-4103976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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