Native American themed XIth legion ideas

[depthcharge12]

Hey guys and gals,

 

I was spitballing ideas of a Native American themed legion for the XIth lost legion. I was also considering an Aztec/Maya themed legion, but thought that might cross over too much with the rainbow warriors in 40k. I've seen beautiful incarnations of both ideas in 40k WIPs, so thought it would be a good starting place.

 

 

I'm considering revolving the legion's culture and background around more Plains/Midwest and Southwestern Indian tribes. The idea for the armor color would be more of a cream color with Navajo patterned bands around the armor in various places like so:

 

http://thumb101.shutterstock.com/photos/display_pic_with_logo/652135/186336437.jpg

 

 

The legion will be similar to Iron Hands in that they are organized by tribes and councils with dreadnoughts and ancients providing tactical wisdom and courses of action. In fighting style, they'd be more like the Raven Gaurd with strike and fade tactics and largely infantry based with some bike support, but not full blown bike legion like the White Scars.

 

 

I'm a bit of an impasse for creating a name for them...I've considered Coyotes, Soothsayers, and Ghost Robes.

 

 

Medicine Men (apothecaries/Primus Medicae) hold high esteem within the legion. It is speculated that they are created latent psykers when the primarch's gene seed interacts with their physiology. Thus, one can not choose to become one, but shows talent and is selected for it.

 

 

Their special weapon is the Fractal 'hawk (stereotypical tomahawk) that can be wielded one handed or be thrown.

 

Range 8" S+1 AP2 One use

Or

Melee S:user AP2 specialist weapon

 

*any non TDA character may exchange their power weapon for a Fractal 'hawk for +5 points

 

 

These are just some ideas I've been shooting around. Thoughts?

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

My suggestion is not to go too far overboard, whichever way you choose to go about this. For me, I've never really liked how much some of the marines have themed appearances. A little influence is one thing, but it's very easy to get carried away, like the travesty that the Space Wolves have become in 40k.

[GrandMagnus]

My suggestion is not to go too far overboard, whichever way you choose to go about this. For me, I've never really liked how much some of the marines have themed appearances. A little influence is one thing, but it's very easy to get carried away, like the travesty that the Space Wolves have become in 40k.

I have echo this. A native american influence is a great idea, such as warpaint or tattoos, the legion badge being somekind of native symbolism, maybe some interesting feather decoration on the helmets of the officers, but always remember the legions are soldiers of the Imperium of Man, an empire that takes heavily from ancient greece and the roman empire and hints of the middle ages.

 

One thing worth remembering is the following: all legions had specialized regiments to face any situation, but every legion was created for a specific purpose. The night lords where terror troops, Iron warriors where siege and trench masters, space wolves where executioners and world eaters where experts at exterminating all enemy life through pure brutality. You need to find one aspect that is unique to the legion.

[Aqui]

Hey guys and gals,

I was also considering an Aztec/Maya themed legion, but thought that might cross over too much with the rainbow warriors in 40k.

Officially, the Rainbow Warriors have no "theme" at all whatsoever (the Aztec etc theme given to them is fanon). GW seem to be content to leave them in 40K, but have no plans to do anything with them. Absolutely nothing to stop you from having an Aztec/Mayan/Incan theme going in 30K, but as BCK said, probably be best not to go too over board though

[depthcharge12]

 

 

My suggestion is not to go too far overboard, whichever way you choose to go about this. For me, I've never really liked how much some of the marines have themed appearances. A little influence is one thing, but it's very easy to get carried away, like the travesty that the Space Wolves have become in 40k.

I have echo this. A native american influence is a great idea, such as warpaint or tattoos, the legion badge being somekind of native symbolism, maybe some interesting feather decoration on the helmets of the officers, but always remember the legions are soldiers of the Imperium of Man, an empire that takes heavily from ancient greece and the roman empire and hints of the middle ages.

 

One thing worth remembering is the following: all legions had specialized regiments to face any situation, but every legion was created for a specific purpose. The night lords where terror troops, Iron warriors where siege and trench masters, space wolves where executioners and world eaters where experts at exterminating all enemy life through pure brutality. You need to find one aspect that is unique to the legion.

I was considering them to be a scout or advanced recon unit for larger units like Solar Auxilla or the Imperial Army.

 

They function similiar to Marine Recon units that either go hard - recon by fire - or plot larger unit advances and call in arty.

 

I wasn't intending for them to be OTT, but I'm definitely a sucker for a theme. I like the knight theme of Dark Angels, Renaissance Italy for BAs, and prison warfare NLs :P

[Slips]

The Legion Symbol could be as simple as a Dream Catcher:

 

Hidden Content

Sans the outlying Feathers.

 

For Native American Tribal Markings, you could do it White Scars style where its only small portions of Individual pieces of armor that are devoted to the Markings:

 

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h222/halifaxmark/Facebook/V%20Legion%20%20HeresyEra%20White%20Scars/1455188_10153446814965591_1588435257_n.jpg

 

As for Tribal Charms and what-not, Coyote-like pelts would probably make the most sense though that plays on SW and the Above White Scar. Other option to consider would be Feather Charms around the Elbows / Neck (Which the above White Scar also kinda does...)

 

etc.

[Marshal Rohr]

Do not, for the love of god, do all those colors in the banding :P. Pick a color palette and only uses a single color with those shapes.

[depthcharge12]

Do not, for the love of god, do all those colors in the banding :P. Pick a color palette and only uses a single color with those shapes.

No dear god I'd go insane. It'd just be a simple geometric pattern with either turquoise or scarlet.

 

I liked the old Indian theme that pervaded the Dark Angels in 40k for a time being...the feather fetishes, tribal markings on cloaks, etc.

[Marshal Rohr]

Crimson and bone would be best.

[depthcharge12]

Legion XI - Ghost Walkers

 

Formed largely from the warlike inhabitants of the rad wastes and agri-steppes in Nord Merica, this legion found its sobriquet by performing long range recon arcs for the vastly proliferating Imperial Army forming on Terra. They conducted recon by fire missions to find hard points in defenses and harass picket forces. The name Ghost Walker came from the Imperial Army soldiers that saw the XIth legionnaires drift through thickets and cover as if floating.

 

Special rules:

 

Legion Astartes

 

Advanced Recon: All models with the LA: Ghost Walkers rule may make a free scout move after both sides have deployed.

 

Unimpeded: All models with LA:GW and dreadnoughts gain move through cover

[Slips]

Legion XI - Ghost Walkers

 

Formed largely from the warlike inhabitants of the rad wastes and agri-steppes in Nord Merica, this legion found its sobriquet by performing long range recon arcs for the vastly proliferating Imperial Army forming on Terra. They conducted recon by fire missions to find hard points in defenses and harass picket forces. The name Ghost Walker came from the Imperial Army soldiers that saw the XIth legionnaires drift through thickets and cover as if floating.

 

Special rules:

 

Legion Astartes

 

Advanced Recon: All models with the LA: Ghost Walkers rule may make a free scout move after both sides have deployed.

 

Unimpeded: All models with LA:GW and dreadnoughts gain move through cover

I'm not letting you pass up the chance to rename "Advanced Recon" to "Ghost Recon" :P

 

Also specify that only Dreadnoughts part of a

Primary Detachment gain MtC.

[depthcharge12]

Good thing you stopped me slips ;)

 

I'm thinking for a rite of war to give them the battle focus rule. I.e. Run and shoot or shoot and run. Id like that for their basic rules but I feel that might be a bit Op

[Slips]

Good thing you stopped me slips

I'm thinking for a rite of war to give them the battle focus rule. I.e. Run and shoot or shoot and run. Id like that for their basic rules but I feel that might be a bit Op

Don't think it'd be too powerful. It helps with mobility; which if playing with 7th is pretty good but not game breaking good.

If you can detail more about what the RoW would do, I think then we'd have a better Picture of potential balance issues.

[depthcharge12]

I might need a debuff to balance the regular rules...but they're not that powerful to begin with IMHO.

 

 

RoW: On the Warpath

 

Requirements:

"Support the infantry" - An army using this RoW must take 3 compulsory troop choices. Units with the Tank entry may not exceed the amount of Troops choices taken.

 

 

"Guided by the Ancients" - This army must take either a Primus Medicae, command squad, or a dreadnought (taken instead as a single support officer HQ choice)

 

 

Special Rules:

"Run Like the Current, Erode Like Water": All units of this detachment with LA: Ghost Walkers or Dreadnoughts may, in the shooting phase, run and then shoot, or shoot and then run. They are allowed to rapid fire weapons with that profile, but may not Fury of the legion when moving in this manner. Units that have Slow and Purposeful may not benefit from this rule.

 

 

"Behind Every Blade of Grass, a Gun": All infantry units in this detachment gain +1 to cover saves when in terrain considered trees, forest, or hedges.

 

 

 

I'm also considering the ability to trade infantry (sans terminator or assault squad) Sergeants for apothecaries for +40 points to fit the fluff of the Medicine Men being considered leaders or exemplars of their legion. But then I'll need a pretty big debuff to balance it. Maybe +1 VP to the enemy for each Medicine Man they kill.

[Carlson793]

Course, going Central American basis over North American basis gives you loads of bits options. WFB Lizardmen. The Aztec Jaguar shoulder pads and Rhino parts on Shapeways by SparticusBob.

[Slips]

Idea for the HQ Dread: Make it a Special Legion-Only Consul Upgrade?

 

For the Apoth Sarges (very Red Scorpions, might want to think about differentiating), Maybe force a Morale Test with a Negative Modifier if he dies and/or the Bonus VP.

• Idea to differentiate: Make Medicine men PM:1 Psykers with Endurance and FNP6+ For being an Apothecary, Boost the cost to 45/50 and Restrict Wargear?
• ..Yes, I know this could potentially mean Relentless Volkite Culverin Squads with Battle Focus and MtC....

Maybe also permit/force Recon Squads to be taken as Compulsory Troops and have their Special Legion unit be swapped down to Troops from whatever slot you give them.

 

To go with the "Hidden In Plain Sight" mentality you might be going for: Have the RoW Permit Non-Terminator/Bike/Jetbike/Jump Infantry to Purchase Cameleolines at 3/5pts per Model?

 

Kinda Getting some RG-Lite vibes with all this but with some work you might be able to differentiate them a bit.

[depthcharge12]

Course, going Central American basis over North American basis gives you loads of bits options. WFB Lizardmen. The Aztec Jaguar shoulder pads and Rhino parts on Shapeways by SparticusBob.

Hmm indeed :) that'll be my next project.

 

 

Idea for the HQ Dread: Make it a Special Legion-Only Consul Upgrade?

 

For the Apoth Sarges (very Red Scorpions, might want to think about differentiating), Maybe force a Morale Test with a Negative Modifier if he dies and/or the Bonus VP.

 

• Idea to differentiate: Make Medicine men PM:1 Psykers with Endurance and FNP6+ For being an Apothecary, Boost the cost to 45/50 and Restrict Wargear?
• ..Yes, I know this could potentially mean Relentless Volkite Culverin Squads with Battle Focus and MtC....

Maybe also permit/force Recon Squads to be taken as Compulsory Troops and have their Special Legion unit be swapped down to Troops from whatever slot you give them.

 

To go with the "Hidden In Plain Sight" mentality you might be going for: Have the RoW Permit Non-Terminator/Bike/Jetbike/Jump Infantry to Purchase Cameleolines at 3/5pts per Model?

 

Kinda Getting some RG-Lite vibes with all this but with some work you might be able to differentiate them a bit.

Yeah I was thinking of a way to make a special dread and/or PM like you suggested :)

 

I think individual apothecaries might be too much, but a special, buffed PM would be fluffy. Maybe a warp charge 2 power that increases his FNP saves by +1 (but he's only a ML1 guy).

 

I think that the Ghost Walkers are more akin to the Mantis Warriors...they slink out of cover to ambush or assault targets or fall back in to the trees to draw the enemy into a trap. When they fight on non favorable terrain, they wage war like normal legion battle lines.

[depthcharge12]

Venerated Ancient

 

HQ choice - 225 points

1 Contemptor

 

Wargear:

- Kheres Assault Cannon

- Dreadnought close combat weapon with inbuilt CB

- Atomantic shielding

*May take weaponry from Contemptor list

 

AV 13/12/11 3 HPs

 

Special rules:

 

Living Totem - All units with the LA: Ghost Walkers within 12" and Line of Sight of this unit gain stubborn and +1 to combat resolutions.

 

Bellicose Spirit (venerable dread rule) - The first roll on the Penetration Chart caused by hit against this unit may be rerolled, but the second result is applied, even if it is worse.

[Slips]

You could potentially also make them a Chaplain Dread? But giving the Chaplain buff in a 6" Radius from him?

[TheHyperion]

Not to veer too of course but if you were to do more Northern Native Americans you could easily base it off the Dark Angels which is what they were originally based off of :D

[drooling blood]

Why the XIth Legion? get rid of the x and thats what DA used to be. Smoke house's, feathers and warp catchers.

Just turn them into a DA successor chapter.

[Augustus]

Might I suggest you work on their history first. Either their homeworld or fighting style. Then  you can see how they would get their name and from there decide on what it will be.

[Tychii]

Some fun rules for them that are a bit out there:

 

Due to the hit and run style and focus around speed and hard attacks.

No cataphractii armour for terminators, as well as all power armour is substituted for 4+ scout armour.

Units have scout, and battle focus. Plus all run moves made my the army count as 6" move. All bikes, jetbikes, and speeders have skillful rider.

 

Might be too strong, but it provides quite the negative for such a powerful combat doctorine.

 

Just a thought, that would make them quite unique and different to play.

[simison]

Interesting choice, Depthcharge. It's always welcomed to see someone give a lost legion a try. I'll try to give a more comprehensive critique later. Right now, I am tired and disappointed from RL.