Jegind Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 How often do people use the psycannon upgrade on Rhinos...and is it worth it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310457-psycannon-on-rhinos/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 What psycannon upgrade? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310457-psycannon-on-rhinos/#findComment-4109808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jegind Posted July 1, 2015 Author Share Posted July 1, 2015 This is what i mean. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Grey-Knights/PSYCANNON_UPGRADE.html http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/g/greyknightsupd.pdf Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310457-psycannon-on-rhinos/#findComment-4109837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 They're out of date now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310457-psycannon-on-rhinos/#findComment-4109875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 But is it out of date? Does it specifically say which grey knights Codex it was for? But whether it is or isn't, I'd never pay 40pts for a psycannon. It's cheaper to have a terminator with psycannon, and it's more durable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310457-psycannon-on-rhinos/#findComment-4110188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Yes it's out of date. Otherwise I'm still using the WD article for the Deathwatch. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310457-psycannon-on-rhinos/#findComment-4110293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Well there isn't a use by date or an errata or even a specific codex grey knights Codex to use it for, and there isn't an updated version of the psycannon deimos either, aaaand the fact that it's still up on their page. So there is actually 0% evidence to argue that you can't use it because nothing says or even implies that you can't. But as I said, I'd never use it, so makes no difference to me either way haha. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310457-psycannon-on-rhinos/#findComment-4110705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Nothing says I can no longer use Codex: Dameonhunters... There was no errata, no updates form GW that tells us it's out of date.... Please, let's not go there. We all know that those came out with, and in reference to, the old Codex. You might still want to use the rules, and that's cool. Players can use anything they want, as long as their group / opponent agrees. But let's not try to justify this with an argument about it still being relevant. Edit: Also, quite simply, the rules linked (and listed as experimental...), are out of date. Solomon Lok and Hector Rex have updated rules by FW. That document is no longer valid. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310457-psycannon-on-rhinos/#findComment-4110724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
angrom Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Edit: Also, quite simply, the rules linked (and listed as experimental...), are out of date. Solomon Lok and Hector Rex have updated rules by FW. That document is no longer valid. I would like to but the rules for Rex and Solomon are nowhere near of updated. or in that case dark excommunication and holocaust are still playable psychic power. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310457-psycannon-on-rhinos/#findComment-4110763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Yeah, that's the point. Those rules linked (which includes the old Lok, Rex and the Vehicle options for the Psycannon upgrades) are out of date. Lok and Rex use old rules, and have old Psychic Powers there. As far as I'm aware, both Lok and Rex have had updated rules released. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310457-psycannon-on-rhinos/#findComment-4110771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deamon Wolf Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 would love to have Psycannons on Razor backs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310457-psycannon-on-rhinos/#findComment-4110775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
angrom Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 As far as I'm aware, both Lok and Rex have had updated rules released. If you know where to find them i would be really interested. I have a Hector Rex but the rules are so out of date that they are just nice models taking the dust Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310457-psycannon-on-rhinos/#findComment-4110810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 If he's not part of the old Character update, FW are/have updated the IA they originally appeared in. Not been following recent FW releases though. An old post by Dino; Forgeworld is updating IA4. By definition this means Solomon Lok gets a much needed update to his rules. This might help; http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294393-some-of-ia4-anphelion-project-2nd-ed-changes/ Lok was way too expensive previously. But now he is about half the points cost (about 2 x Ordo Xenos + a Plasma Pistol). He has WS 5, I 5, 2+/5++, Master Crafted Power Sword and other equipment (with other regular Inquisitor stats) but as Warlord he also gives FNP to his entire Henchmen Retinue (12 Henchmen from C:GK or C:I) if you are close to an Objective. So he could be useful. He also has access to Major Durra who is also WS 5, I 5, W 3, A 3 with a Heavy Chainsword and other equipment, and Preferred Enemy (pick an Alien race). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310457-psycannon-on-rhinos/#findComment-4110815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larkyn Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 As far as I'm aware, both Lok and Rex have had updated rules released. If you know where to find them i would be really interested. I have a Hector Rex but the rules are so out of date that they are just nice models taking the dust A little bit of elbow grease uncovered these gems. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Armour_Books/IMPERIAL_ARMOUR_THE_SIEGE_OF_VRAKS.html http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Armour_Books/IMPERIAL_ARMOUR_VOLUME_FOUR_THE_ANPHELION_PROJECT_SECOND_EDITION.html Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310457-psycannon-on-rhinos/#findComment-4110873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Heck, even those rules are most likely out of date as well. As for Rex, here's what FW say of him; Hector Rex model designed by Simon Egan, retinue models designed by Mark Bedford. Updated 6th Edition experimental rules for this model are available to download here. We are sadly no longer in 6th Edition... And Page 25 of the Grey Knights Codex is wrong. So it obviously points to the older, now out of date, Codex. Edit; And unless their website is out of date as well, the same applies to Lok; Inquisitor Solomon Lok and Retinue, designed by Simon Egan, contains three resin models: the Inquisitor himself, his Servo-skull Familiar and a Tech-Servitor, Autosavant Wassily. Updated 6th Edition experimental rules for this model are available to download here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310457-psycannon-on-rhinos/#findComment-4110899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I'm okay with the Psycannon vehicle upgrades. You over pay for them, the models add to the hobby, and they are very themed. And since the rule for the Psycannon remain effectively the same, I see no harm in it. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310457-psycannon-on-rhinos/#findComment-4110972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 The sad thing is, they weren't even necessary. An Assault Cannon with Psybolt Ammo was essentially a Psycannon, and used to be a legal upgrade. The Psycannon turrets could have been used as fluffy visuals using Codex rules. But then we lost Psybolts. :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310457-psycannon-on-rhinos/#findComment-4110999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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