angrom Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I all, I'm a big fan of the good old Coteaz and I'm almost always playing him (even more now with all the drop pod grav, dread fashion). In a squad of purgator it can really be nice against any player under estimating his "i was expecting you" or just unlucky DS scattering in 12" of him. However i have few questions about this particular ability. If i put cotez with purgator in a rhino when it is possible to use the "I was expecting you" probably up to 2 model can shoot from the top hatch but what about the vehicle? Do you consider the vehicle with the squad as a same unit? and so can you shoot as well with the vehicle? Also when a drop pod is coming from reserve. do you have to do your out of phase shooting on the drop pod (arriving) or can you shoot the squad inside once disembarked? or both?. Same question for flyers coming from reserve. Do you have to be at 12" from the flyer arrival position or at 12" from the flyer after its movement when coming from reserve? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310511-coteaz-in-a-purgator-squad/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I never cared for Coteaz, or Crutch-Teaz, as I like to call him. While his ability can be great, it's easily defeated by simply arriving more than 12" from him. Yes, he's another cheap Psyker, of which we already have many. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310511-coteaz-in-a-purgator-squad/#findComment-4110968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
angrom Posted July 3, 2015 Author Share Posted July 3, 2015 so nobody have an idea how to use this rule in these particular condition? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310511-coteaz-in-a-purgator-squad/#findComment-4112162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I’ve Been Expecting You: If an enemy unit arrives from reserves within 12" of Coteaz and within his line of sight, Coteaz and his unit can immediately make an out-of sequence shooting attack against it. There is no limit on how many times the ability can be used in a turn. If i put cotez with purgator in a rhino when it is possible to use the "I was expecting you" Grey Area. The best bet is 'probably', with the best result being allowed to measure the range from the Hull of the Rhino. The worst being 'no'. ;) probably up to 2 model can shoot from the top hatch but what about the vehicle?Do you consider the vehicle with the squad as a same unit? and so can you shoot as well with the vehicle? No. While the wording could be tightened up, 'his unit' is referring to any units Coteaz might be attached to. It would be a stretch to claim that also included embarked in. Also when a drop pod is coming from reserve.do you have to do your out of phase shooting on the drop pod (arriving) or can you shoot the squad inside once disembarked? or both?. FAQ answered this. Can't access form work, so can't check if the relevant FAQs are still published. You can shoot both the Drop Pod and any Embarked unit (which has to disembark). Same question for flyers coming from reserve. Do you have to be at 12" from the flyer arrival position or at 12" from the flyer after its movement when coming from reserve? To arrive from reserves you must deploy by moving onto the board. You cannot arrive until the movement has been finalised (see Deep Strike mishaps). You would not be able to shoot a Drop Pod before Scatter is resolved, potentially putting you in the situation where it mishaps and returns to reserves to allow you to IBEY it the next time it arrives. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310511-coteaz-in-a-purgator-squad/#findComment-4112207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 IBEY worked much better when you could cover the entire table with Warp Quakes. Now it only works against novice players. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310511-coteaz-in-a-purgator-squad/#findComment-4112267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Iapetus Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Inquisitorial Chimera might be a better choice as you can still have 5 models shoot out the top. Not sure about sticking him in a LR - I don't know how IBEY works in a non open top vehicle, maybe some of the other folks could chime in...but any variant would pack a potent punch. One of my favorite ways to run him is with a Skyshield landing pad. 4+ invul save is pretty good especially if you stick him with a 12 man shooty henchmen blob. But I must confess - the old boy is just not what he used to be...IBEY has been toned down (no more nominating units) and he doesn't have any natural invul saves or Eternal Warrior. Very soft... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310511-coteaz-in-a-purgator-squad/#findComment-4117979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Coteaz's ability to reroll seize or force a reroll is almost worth the 100 points alone. The IBEY is icing. 5th and 6th eds were clear about rules regarding models embarked being measured from the vehicle. 7th lost that stipulation - so its assumed - never explicitly states. Yes, the unit inside would fire. No, theres no way in heck it would could for the vehicle itself unless it is errataed to specifically include it like some of the wargear (forcefields/shields etc) are now. For non-open topped, you're outta luck. Its a decent tactic and as noted, maybe better in an INQ chimera. As for the DP or the unit-- unless a FAQ (which doesnt exist) says otherwise, it reads as though its both. As for the Flyer- this is the most commonly misplayed error. It's not from where the flyer ends - as this is not where the unit "has arrived from reserves" - it is where it ends up. So, unless you're by the board edge, then, no go. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310511-coteaz-in-a-purgator-squad/#findComment-4118104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 As for the Flyer- this is the most commonly misplayed error. It's not from where the flyer ends - as this is not where the unit "has arrived from reserves" - it is where it ends up. So, unless you're by the board edge, then, no go. Mort, how do you 'arrive from reserves'? You move onto the board. You cannot have arrived, until you have moved. Unless you want IBEY to hit drop pods *before* they scatter, which would stop you from shooting embarked units, as they have yet to disembark. The fact you get to shoot both a DP and any Embarked unit as they disembark is a clear indication that IBEY happens once a unit arriving from reserves movement has finished. IBEY has been toned down (no more nominating units) What changed? IIRC IBEY was always Coteaz and attached unit. He couldn't nominate another unit to IBEY in his place. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310511-coteaz-in-a-purgator-squad/#findComment-4118418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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