sitnam Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Given how Tempest gave both Word Bearers and Ultramarines three unique legion non-special characterunits, whats the liklihood we could see more unique units for other older legions later on? As of right now I count that 3 legions have 3 unique squads (EC/WB/UM), 4 have 2 uniqur squads and a unique upgrade for a base unit (IH, IW, AL, RG) and the rest have 2 unique squads. I think its likely the 6 left out will get some more unique units in later books since they ahould all feature in latter campaigns: Night Lords in the Thramas, IMperial Fists at the siege, DG/WE/SoH descrnding to chaos, sallies kinda a wild card given their status after Istvaan Thoughts? I know its kinda of hard to guess what FW will do but so far the legions have been kept fairly even in terms of options (unique wargear, rites, units, etc). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310741-more-legion-specific-units/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 I emailed FW a while back about the possibility of new units for the RG, and they said they would be looking to update the rules and add new units for each legion as the series progressed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310741-more-legion-specific-units/#findComment-4115376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironwithout Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Funny I have just emailed Forgeworld about this for Imperial Fists. I asked them about Imperial Fists Specific Terminators or at least Storm Shields. Hopefully they get back to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310741-more-legion-specific-units/#findComment-4115389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
v6v77 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Based on what his-bligh-ness said at the open day. As we go forward expect legions to evolve. This would probably mean new units and wargear. He mentioned also more red books for different era legion armies. Eg we have crusade era, soon we will get heresy era and the scouring/seige of terra era. This means right now we have armies designed to fight xenos and renegade humans. Designed to fight and win with infinite resupply and reinforcements. Eventually will will get armies tailored to fighting astartes and solar auxilia. To fight without resupply or reinforcement and have diff wargear and weapons to represent this. Then the scouring era. Who knows how that will look. I imagine raven guard will get some of the failed accelerated astartes units, fists will get bat shot beserkers ect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310741-more-legion-specific-units/#findComment-4115400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 I'm hoping they allow for Breacher squads to take CCWs. I really wanna make a shield wall. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310741-more-legion-specific-units/#findComment-4115403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 I'm really hoping for an Iron Hands unit which references their older fluff by having TDA-equipped squad leaders, with the idea that surviving veterans from Isstvan V would be redistributed to lead squads Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310741-more-legion-specific-units/#findComment-4115404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 I could see that being a possibility in the next book actually. If they do introduce shattered legions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310741-more-legion-specific-units/#findComment-4115416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1000 Sons Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Why would they stop making new units ? As long as it sells there will be an eternal releases. One persons talk with Bligh also had him saying that zenos will start coming into the 30k rules during the scouring. What will 30k Eldar, Tau, Orks and maybe even some new HH specific zenos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310741-more-legion-specific-units/#findComment-4115534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 I don't think Tau were around in 30k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310741-more-legion-specific-units/#findComment-4115538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 I don't think Tau were around in 30k. Totes right. Tau, as a race, are only 4-5k years old. Meaning no blue commie weebs in 30k for us! And now that thats out of the way: no more xenos talk for it is heresy and punishable by Phosphex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310741-more-legion-specific-units/#findComment-4115544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Xenos are not coming to 30K. That's entirely false. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310741-more-legion-specific-units/#findComment-4115546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeyray Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Now this in an idea that has been kicking about in my head. If the canon involving the culling the Thunder Warriors was conducted by the first of the Legiones Astartes then some form of hardened Terran veteran squads who may wield some of the more archaic wargear would be cool. I would assume they would be I Legion because, well, they were the first. Almost a cross of Destroyers with Unity era tech and weapons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310741-more-legion-specific-units/#findComment-4115550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitnam Posted July 6, 2015 Author Share Posted July 6, 2015 I'm really hoping for an Iron Hands unit which references their older fluff by having TDA-equipped squad leaders, with the idea that surviving veterans from Isstvan V would be redistributed to lead squads I could see that as an upgrade option for regular line squads actually. Perhaps makr this an option for Gorgons since fluffwise they should get rare as the heresy advances It'd be awesome if some of your ideas became real options. Those anti-tank Iron Hands jetpack units you made a while back would be a neat addition to the heresy. I'd love to see a bunch of non-traditional unique units actually. Take the world eaters for example. Red Butchers and Rampagers really fit 40k WE as much as Great Crusade. But those fire support squads you made? That'd be unique yet fluffy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310741-more-legion-specific-units/#findComment-4115554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Personally, I'd like a Death Guard Terminator squad that's more or less Destroyers in TDA. No, Grave Wardens aren't the same thing. I'd also like to see them placed in the Elite slot so I can take them as Troops. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310741-more-legion-specific-units/#findComment-4115567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 I think I'd almost rather see a Death Guard unit that isn't in terminator armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310741-more-legion-specific-units/#findComment-4115574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Have to second that one. If anything, maybe an extra-tough breacher unit for crossing no-man's land. The loyalists have all the fun with the special breacher units :P An option for power mauls (where the Phalanx Warders get axes and UM breachers get swords) to synergize with rad grenades would be sick. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310741-more-legion-specific-units/#findComment-4115649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Nah, we curbed the market on TDA (literally, as Albions). More TDA. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310741-more-legion-specific-units/#findComment-4115689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Are the unique assault marines in Tempest for the Ultras actually going to get models? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310741-more-legion-specific-units/#findComment-4115693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Are the unique assault marines in Tempest for the Ultras actually going to get models? Probably, eventually. How far down the line though? Could be a while. That the UM got their primarch model and upgrade sets on rules release is pretty great on its own, plus the Invictarus Suzerain guards coming soon. I wouldn't be surprised if the Invictarus assault squads and Fulmentarus terminators take quite a while, while the RG, IW and AL units see their releases sooner. They've been waiting over a year now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310741-more-legion-specific-units/#findComment-4115716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Are the unique assault marines in Tempest for the Ultras actually going to get models? Probably, eventually. How far down the line though? Could be a while. That the UM got their primarch model and upgrade sets on rules release is pretty great on its own, plus the Invictarus Suzerain guards coming soon. I wouldn't be surprised if the Invictarus assault squads and Fulmentarus terminators take quite a while, while the RG, IW and AL units see their releases sooner. They've been waiting over a year now. I hope the 2 other ultras squads do take some time, I need some time to save! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310741-more-legion-specific-units/#findComment-4115721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
infyrana Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Nah, we curbed the market on TDA (literally, as Albions). More TDA. True, but I hear that about having a non-TDA unit for DG. Say, something like a specialist Destroyer unit with a heavy dosage of dodgy weaponry. That or some over-heavily-armoured foot sloggers designed to take a punishment (other legions have shield specialists, even toughness 5 shenanigans, I'd like to bridge the gap between 30-40k T5 PM's with special weapons). Not even a new unit or models, just some rules that we can apply to our existing tactical squads etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310741-more-legion-specific-units/#findComment-4115817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitnam Posted July 7, 2015 Author Share Posted July 7, 2015 Personally I think the next units we will be seeing from most traitor legions will represent the fall to chaos. I see proto-plague marines for the Death Guard; plague breachers will be sweet. Actually now that I think of it I'd love a generic pro-breacher Rite of War Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310741-more-legion-specific-units/#findComment-4115828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Nah, we curbed the market on TDA (literally, as Albions). More TDA. True, but I hear that about having a non-TDA unit for DG. Say, something like a specialist Destroyer unit with a heavy dosage of dodgy weaponry. That or some over-heavily-armoured foot sloggers designed to take a punishment (other legions have shield specialists, even toughness 5 shenanigans, I'd like to bridge the gap between 30-40k T5 PM's with special weapons). Not even a new unit or models, just some rules that we can apply to our existing tactical squads etc. True, I agree. We need something that better displays our resilience and our proliferation of Rad weaponry... I just get a bit miffed that even though our Legion is noted to have one of the largest quantity of TDA amongst all the Legions, yet we cannot benefit from Pride of the Legion with any of our special units. Especially when something like Grave Warden (although not great for range or strength) would convey our modus operandi. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310741-more-legion-specific-units/#findComment-4115866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Night Lords need the Atramentar. A unit of Terminators equipped with Thunder Hammers and Chainglaives, all cause fear and can deep strike, and some massive horror rules messing around with the enemy, but more interesting than simply "-1 to Fear tests" or whatever. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310741-more-legion-specific-units/#findComment-4116604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Night Lords need the Atramentar. A unit of Terminators equipped with Thunder Hammers and Chainglaives, all cause fear and can deep strike, and some massive horror rules messing around with the enemy, but more interesting than simply "-1 to Fear tests" or whatever. I feel like Atramentar are a no-brainer for a Thramas book. They'd be silly not to. Alan Bligh seems really on top of this though, especially in light of some of the conversations people had with him at the recent Open Day event. I think the only question is when we'll see this stuff, not if we will. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310741-more-legion-specific-units/#findComment-4116749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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