Khornestar Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I'm going to be using black for my Bloodletters and Bloodthirsters (using the former to practice painting the latter, truth be told) and I can't really find a satisfactory guide for doing so. All the guides I'm seeing out there are for red daemons of Khorne, obviously. In White Dwarf Issue 57 there is a little guide on painting black skin with brown highlights, but I'd like to use bluish and maybe greyish tints. I'd start with Vallejo Black, then the GW Dark Reaper appears to be a good first highlight color (I have a Vallejo equivalent), but from there I'm not sure what colors to use. Fenrisian Grey seems a bit too bright. Any thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310957-painting-black-daemons/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teetengee Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 You might want to consider starting from a middle tone (not quite black) and then using a wash to shade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310957-painting-black-daemons/#findComment-4119903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted July 10, 2015 Author Share Posted July 10, 2015 Not a bad idea. The examples I've seen of that method end up being more grey than black, but with* enough washes of Nuln Oil I bet that can be mitigated quite a bit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310957-painting-black-daemons/#findComment-4119942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peredyne Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I would start with a dark Panzer Grey and highlight up, with several washes of black to darken the whole thing down. It won't be true black, but it will have far more depth than using straight black. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310957-painting-black-daemons/#findComment-4119950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Black -> Dark Gray Dry Brush -> Blue Ink wash. Thats how I do it. :] Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310957-painting-black-daemons/#findComment-4120302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted July 11, 2015 Author Share Posted July 11, 2015 Black -> Dark Gray Dry Brush -> Blue Ink wash. Thats how I do it. :] Got any shots of the final product? I'd love to see it! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310957-painting-black-daemons/#findComment-4120332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabbala Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 I use the same method Scribe mentions above for some of the beastmen in my fantasy army, practicing for my Doombull centerpiece. Anyway, it works and looks wonderful! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310957-painting-black-daemons/#findComment-4120337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 I dont think I've got a picture of one, that I can see. I'll paint up something in this ETL vow for with it and post it. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310957-painting-black-daemons/#findComment-4120352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted July 11, 2015 Author Share Posted July 11, 2015 Woohoo! That would be awesome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310957-painting-black-daemons/#findComment-4120385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Héléade Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Did you try the Massive Voodoo tutorial about black colours ? It could be helpful. It explains there is no perfect black.So there is a link, take a look : http://massivevoodoo.blogspot.fr/2014/05/tutorial-painting-colour-black.html You could play with contrast between a black skin and bones. I am impatient to see what your daemons will look like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310957-painting-black-daemons/#findComment-4120746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted July 11, 2015 Author Share Posted July 11, 2015 Did you try the Massive Voodoo tutorial about black colours ? It could be helpful. It explains there is no perfect black. So there is a link, take a look : http://massivevoodoo.blogspot.fr/2014/05/tutorial-painting-colour-black.html You could play with contrast between a black skin and bones. I am impatient to see what your daemons will look like. Very good article, thank you! I forgot to check massivevoodoo. So many articles! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310957-painting-black-daemons/#findComment-4120785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Héléade Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Always check the jungle painters! Glad to help you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310957-painting-black-daemons/#findComment-4120791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted August 9, 2015 Author Share Posted August 9, 2015 Fiddled around with my airbrush and came up with these recently. German grey + a lighter grey + nuln oil wash. There was far more contrast before the wash, of course. http://i.imgur.com/jm24tSOh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/mVfK6dSh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/QfPnZc8h.jpg Not bad. I think I like 'em. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310957-painting-black-daemons/#findComment-4141781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayeL Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 To be honest, they don't look painted at all. You need to bring the contrast up a lot more, darken the shadows & bring the highlights up a lot more. Stay away from greys & go more with blues to contrast the orange in the blades. The blades I would bring up to white at the tips, through yellow to make them look hot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310957-painting-black-daemons/#findComment-4141973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted August 9, 2015 Author Share Posted August 9, 2015 Appreciate the feedback, but they're nowhere close to done yet. :) Only two steps in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310957-painting-black-daemons/#findComment-4142128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 I would consider adding something outside of greys and blues. Perhaps a very dark purple/crimson wash at the highest points, or the strongest parts of the demon's physique, like along his back and shoulders. Certainly not the whole model though. It would cause enough contrast to keep the model interesting and not entirely monotone, but wouldn't contrast so much as to ruin the goal of a 'black' demon. Theoretically, anyway. Something to tinker with if you've got the test models to try it on. I'd recommend a very dark tone (like, as close to purple as red can get, if that makes sense..a merlot?), but not a super heavy wash. Depending on your final recipe for the black and blue, it may be best to do this wash at one of the earliest stages to build up the grays on a more colored base, or at the end to add a shade to an already highlighted surface. I'd go with the latter, personally. Anyway, that's just one of many possibilities, and one of many opinions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310957-painting-black-daemons/#findComment-4142210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Uveron Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Try and paint the Eyes, Toung and Teeth, it will help alot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310957-painting-black-daemons/#findComment-4149303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted August 18, 2015 Author Share Posted August 18, 2015 I shall, definitely. The pic above was just a test for the airbrushing grey layers + two washes of nuln oil. As was pointed out, they ended up way too black, so much so that you couldn't tell they were painted. I've repainted them with two layers of grey, and then painted their swords. They're looking decent. Gotta take some update shots soon. As usual I'm jumping around between projects so I leave things hanging... :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310957-painting-black-daemons/#findComment-4149481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Eye Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 They look good, but they look more grey than black. If I were you, I'd start with pure black, then apply a subtle highlight with black mixed with a tiny bit of a dark blue. Then highlight the very most raised areas with the same mix but with a teeny-weeny bit of grey added. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310957-painting-black-daemons/#findComment-4162046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Runner Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Try adding a spot of the black paint to the wash, along with a drop of water and vallejo matt varnish. Excellent wash that will bring down the highlights and give a good black tone. Using this on a human fantasy hero at the moment, as a tester for some 1st Legion marines Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310957-painting-black-daemons/#findComment-4166265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarbonBased Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 The "black" parts of this model are based in Vallejo Model Color German Grey. It's very close to black, but still shows even darker shadows if needed. http://i.imgur.com/ETiIFAJ.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310957-painting-black-daemons/#findComment-4166276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted September 8, 2015 Author Share Posted September 8, 2015 Beautiful mini! TBH, still too gray for my tastes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310957-painting-black-daemons/#findComment-4166363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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