New HH novel - Cybernetica

[Carach]

another over priced limited edition.

 

another i will not purchase.

 

I am beginning to lose out a lot now on the storylines going on in the HH because everything is bloody limited edition this, 30quid that. Its outrageously insulting behaviour milking the customerbase as much as they are doing.

 

If the material of some of these things i actually buy from BL were actually any good then i'd probably tone back my anger, but the majority of stuff that has come out for the HH in the last couple of years have been piss poor. Quality over quantity, guys. And dont charge me an arm and a :cussing leg for a fricken book. 

[Olis]

Its outrageously insulting behaviour milking the customerbase as much as they are doing.

 

The way I see it, it is far from outrageously insulting. If they behaved like that regardless of (hypothetically) poor sales, then that would be insulting because they would be demonstrating an unwarranted push for selling something at a certain price when the demand is not there. However, the truth of it is - the demand is there. They almost always sell out of these limited editions in a reasonably short amount of time and it happens time and time again. Whether you think the editions are overpriced is moot. There is plenty of people who will pay the price and do it again next time.

 

Don't mistake me disagreeing with you for defending the practice of releasing fairly expensive novellas. Do I think they should be a lower price? Yes. Is that ever going to happen? Not in a month of Sundays. Despite what we may think of the deal, their marketing strategy is far from unsound.

[Corswain]

Shattered earth is apparently being re-released in a standard edition. I imagine that all limited novels will be at some point.

Personally, I'm sticking with ebooks, they finally seem to be at a reasonabe price vs paper.

[Atia]

first, yep, ALL limited edition will be re-released as normal versions ~1 year later - you don't "miss" out on anything, you just get it a little bit later - also, this isn't a thread about limited editions, but about Cybernetica guys ;) 

 

while we need a little bit more patience 'till our books arrive, i want to say: i like that dark magus in the first chapter :P *tick, tock, tick, tock*

[Carach]

 

Its outrageously insulting behaviour milking the customerbase as much as they are doing.

 

The way I see it, it is far from outrageously insulting. If they behaved like that regardless of (hypothetically) poor sales, then that would be insulting because they would be demonstrating an unwarranted push for selling something at a certain price when the demand is not there. However, the truth of it is - the demand is there. They almost always sell out of these limited editions in a reasonably short amount of time and it happens time and time again. Whether you think the editions are overpriced is moot. There is plenty of people who will pay the price and do it again next time.

 

Don't mistake me disagreeing with you for defending the practice of releasing fairly expensive novellas. Do I think they should be a lower price? Yes. Is that ever going to happen? Not in a month of Sundays. Despite what we may think of the deal, their marketing strategy is far from unsound.

 

 

this is a self defeating argument that occurs when discussing DLC, early access etc with games too. Because a bunch of idiots buy anything and everything they can get their hands on it ruins the market for everyone else. Well done guys with too much disposable income/lack of principle - those that spend a tenner on a different skin. those that will throw 50quid at a game that isnt out of alpha yet, those that piss away 30 quid on a 100 page novella. Cheers.

 

and dont get me started on digital distribution of these things too - steam was supposed to be cutting out the middle man for cheap games. Now you only get those cheap prices during steam sale week. the rest of the time theyre more pricey than ordering a physical copy. The same can be said of Black Library right now with their ebooks and mp3s. charging me 25quid for a digital copy of an audiobook or novella. It's ridiculous. 

 

And as i said; these novellas haven't exactly been all that when it comes to quality. nor have the increasingly expensive main-line novels. So where's the justification in blowing that kind of money on sub-par fanfiction? Of course i hope this one actually turns out better than those that have gone before it, but i wont hold my breath

[Hyaenidae]

The contentious issue of price of Limited Editions may have legitimacy should the topic be raised separately from this thread, but this is dedicated to discussion of the Novel itself, and it's story. 

 

Please return on topic, and open a new thread if you wish to continue this debate.

 

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[Atia]

i really can't wait to get some hints about (real, canonnical, for the tabletop usable :P) 30k skitarii - after all, these are as unknown as the legions back in the days of the opening trilogy :D also, some more details on the techmarine training on mars would be cool :P 

[Emperor's Furor]

Posted this elsewhere but it was asked if I could put it here so here it is :)

I'll put some thoughts and spoilers below with a general outline of the story.

The marines on the cover are indeed techmarines in training, the central figure is the Raven Guard whose nick name is the Carrion, which was brought about by Night Lords who made light of his injuries when he pulled his legless and one armed corpse back from a mission and further enhanced when he was able to syphon off energies. The Salamander is a good craftsmen as usual. The Imperial Fists has an affinity with machine pains and so is quick at battlefield repairs, the Ultramarine comes across as totally inept, he can't get his bolter to work for a while. The Iron Warrior is the Raven Guards friend, he's the best of them and the Carrion thinks he'd easily stand out amongst the many other warsmiths that the Iron Warriors have.

Brief jump forward, Raven Guard thinks something is going on (this is set just as the heresy is breaking out, about the time Mechanicum is set) keeps seeing manouvers, Ultramarine says it's probably just in reaction to Horus's new warmaster powers and asking for more man power. The techmarine teachers have all gone missing, the Iron Warrior turns up and throw some slates at each of them, it shows information of the recycling of parts that are genecoded to their teachers, they've been killed or turned into servitors. The enemy attack the tower they are housed in, all of them die (it's a very well written piece, the battle I mean imo) Salamander sacrifices himself, Ultramarine has his head blown off, Imperial Fist gets peppered as they try to get to the elevator and is then used as a shield by the Raven Guard (who I think suffers from that rage Raven Guard had describe in the forgeworld books, Dust blindness or something) Iron Warrior throws the Raven Guard off the tower to save him from being blowing to pieces by a Warlord titan. The Raven Guard survives and eventually gets picked up by Camba Diaz of the Imperial Fists.

It then jumps to Terra, Dorn pretty much just wants to exterminatus Mars, the new Fabricator General begs him not to, Malcador suggests sending the Carrion back (he's now a Knight Errant), as the Carrion knew of a heretic who had been imprisoned with an army of semi sentiment Kastelans that was "corrupted" by a small machine that came to the conclusion humanity had to be purged. The idea was to use this heretics original plan of knocking out the southern polar machine that helps create a magnetic field for Mars, which if stopped would allow all biological matter to die due to the stellar radiation leaving nothing but machines left. This would at least keep the infrastructure in tact. They eventually agree and the Carrion returns to Mars.

Some small battles occurred between himself (who has help from 2 servitor companions including a tech raven) with a tech priest specialised in hunting down heretics but it seems the scrap code has completely took him over. Eventually the Raven Guard frees the heretic priest a long with his small army of automata and they set off towards the south pole, along the way they go in weird directions fight random battles which the Carrion believes is down to the heretical device which can predict things very very well. They get to the south pole, it's defences have been improved greatly which worries the Carrion. The priest sends the majority of his automata out to confront the defences (which include three warhounds) whilst himself and his automata lead by the Carrion "infiltrate". They get through some ambushes until they are confronted by the leader of the force that has been attempting to stop them over the last several days. It turns out it's his old friend the Iron Warrior.

His body was badly damaged but the traitor priests took what was left, exposed him to scrap code which basically corrupted him (they also told him what had happened with his legion) then built him a massive decimator like suit which had the power of magnetism. The Iron Warrior gives the Carrion the chance to join him but he refuses, a battle ensues and the Carrion is mortally wounded, all but one of the sentient automata is left, the heretical device is destroyed by the Iron Warrior who turns it to molten slag and throws it at the priest killing him to. The last robot backs off heating himself so he can't be magnetically pulled by the Iron Warrior and makes his escape (the machine inside of him is self replicating so it's possible the device will return in future). The mission is a failure the last we see of the Raven Guard is he's not responding to his cyber raven which is poking him on the head. It jumps back to Dorn, the Sigilite and the Fabricator General, they think it's failed and hopes he's dead rather than being tortured for information. The fabricator general begs Dorn to send his forces to cleanse Mars (he wouldn't before because it would waste resources for the upcoming siege) Dorn seems to relent and requests his Captains meet him. So it's possible this chapter is not over and is opening a way for the fists to take the battle to Mars prior to the siege.

There's only a couple of points I didn't really take to. One being the fact the Raven Guard had the ability to syphon off energy and then using it like force lightning, I dunno it just didn't sit right with me. The second was it was mentioned these were veterans and they had "younger" brothers down at the bottom of the tower and they were supposedly warned but then we heard nothing about them after, it felt like a loose thread. The final point was the "end boss" i.e the Iron Warrior which became a giant decimator with some sort of magma reactor on his back that allowed him to channel magnetic energy, it felt like another force ability again it just didn't sit right with me.

Overall though I enjoyed the book it explained the inclusion of the recent Kastelans models and was kind of a step that linked the current models with those of the forgeworld models (castellax were used more because they were simpler whilst Kastelans required more "programming" basically.

If anyone has any questions feel free to ask and I'll do my best to answer, like wise if I've got any information in correct or read it wrongly feel free to correct me

[Atia]

Posted this elsewhere but it was asked if I could put it here so here it is

I'll put some thoughts and spoilers below with a general outline of the story.

The marines on the cover are indeed techmarines in training, the central figure is the Raven Guard whose nick name is the Carrion, which was brought about by Night Lords who made light of his injuries when he pulled his legless and one armed corpse back from a mission and further enhanced when he was able to syphon off energies. The Salamander is a good craftsmen as usual. The Imperial Fists has an affinity with machine pains and so is quick at battlefield repairs, the Ultramarine comes across as totally inept, he can't get his bolter to work for a while. The Iron Warrior is the Raven Guards friend, he's the best of them and the Carrion thinks he'd easily stand out amongst the many other warsmiths that the Iron Warriors have.

Brief jump forward, Raven Guard thinks something is going on (this is set just as the heresy is breaking out, about the time Mechanicum is set) keeps seeing manouvers, Ultramarine says it's probably just in reaction to Horus's new warmaster powers and asking for more man power. The techmarine teachers have all gone missing, the Iron Warrior turns up and throw some slates at each of them, it shows information of the recycling of parts that are genecoded to their teachers, they've been killed or turned into servitors. The enemy attack the tower they are housed in, all of them die (it's a very well written piece, the battle I mean imo) Salamander sacrifices himself, Ultramarine has his head blown off, Imperial Fist gets peppered as they try to get to the elevator and is then used as a shield by the Raven Guard (who I think suffers from that rage Raven Guard had describe in the forgeworld books, Dust blindness or something) Iron Warrior throws the Raven Guard off the tower to save him from being blowing to pieces by a Warlord titan. The Raven Guard survives and eventually gets picked up by Camba Diaz of the Imperial Fists.

It then jumps to Terra, Dorn pretty much just wants to exterminatus Mars, the new Fabricator General begs him not to, Malcador suggests sending the Carrion back (he's now a Knight Errant), as the Carrion knew of a heretic who had been imprisoned with an army of semi sentiment Kastelans that was "corrupted" by a small machine that came to the conclusion humanity had to be purged. The idea was to use this heretics original plan of knocking out the southern polar machine that helps create a magnetic field for Mars, which if stopped would allow all biological matter to die due to the stellar radiation leaving nothing but machines left. This would at least keep the infrastructure in tact. They eventually agree and the Carrion returns to Mars.

Some small battles occurred between himself (who has help from 2 servitor companions including a tech raven) with a tech priest specialised in hunting down heretics but it seems the scrap code has completely took him over. Eventually the Raven Guard frees the heretic priest a long with his small army of automata and they set off towards the south pole, along the way they go in weird directions fight random battles which the Carrion believes is down to the heretical device which can predict things very very well. They get to the south pole, it's defences have been improved greatly which worries the Carrion. The priest sends the majority of his automata out to confront the defences (which include three warhounds) whilst himself and his automata lead by the Carrion "infiltrate". They get through some ambushes until they are confronted by the leader of the force that has been attempting to stop them over the last several days. It turns out it's his old friend the Iron Warrior.

His body was badly damaged but the traitor priests took what was left, exposed him to scrap code which basically corrupted him (they also told him what had happened with his legion) then built him a massive decimator like suit which had the power of magnetism. The Iron Warrior gives the Carrion the chance to join him but he refuses, a battle ensues and the Carrion is mortally wounded, all but one of the sentient automata is left, the heretical device is destroyed by the Iron Warrior who turns it to molten slag and throws it at the priest killing him to. The last robot backs off heating himself so he can't be magnetically pulled by the Iron Warrior and makes his escape (the machine inside of him is self replicating so it's possible the device will return in future). The mission is a failure the last we see of the Raven Guard is he's not responding to his cyber raven which is poking him on the head. It jumps back to Dorn, the Sigilite and the Fabricator General, they think it's failed and hopes he's dead rather than being tortured for information. The fabricator general begs Dorn to send his forces to cleanse Mars (he wouldn't before because it would waste resources for the upcoming siege) Dorn seems to relent and requests his Captains meet him. So it's possible this chapter is not over and is opening a way for the fists to take the battle to Mars prior to the siege.

There's only a couple of points I didn't really take to. One being the fact the Raven Guard had the ability to syphon off energy and then using it like force lightning, I dunno it just didn't sit right with me. The second was it was mentioned these were veterans and they had "younger" brothers down at the bottom of the tower and they were supposedly warned but then we heard nothing about them after, it felt like a loose thread. The final point was the "end boss" i.e the Iron Warrior which became a giant decimator with some sort of magma reactor on his back that allowed him to channel magnetic energy, it felt like another force ability again it just didn't sit right with me.

Overall though I enjoyed the book it explained the inclusion of the recent Kastelans models and was kind of a step that linked the current models with those of the forgeworld models (castellax were used more because they were simpler whilst Kastelans required more "programming" basically.

If anyone has any questions feel free to ask and I'll do my best to answer, like wise if I've got any information in correct or read it wrongly feel free to correct me

ok, i tried to ignore the spoiler, as i wanted to read the novel @ vacation but ... mah, i read it xD

so we have now the confirmation that all the 40k ad mec stuff is usable for the HH? yay :D

[helterskelter]

From those spoilers I fear there are things within it that would annoy me greatly. Which is a shame because the concept of it in general rocks my socks

[depthcharge12]

That thing with the IW tech marine seems pretty cliche to me. Even after reading the first few sentences of your analysis, I could tell from his off screen death that that would happen.

 

Meh, I'll pass. I'd had hoped there would be more than just: "oh look, betrayal!" And then "what will happen in the future?" Rather than actually describe the things that we want to hear about (and yes I'm claiming to speak for all of us, because who doesn't want to hear about the actual siege of Mars?).

 

Grumble grumble grumble

[Emperor's Furor]

Posted this elsewhere but it was asked if I could put it here so here it is

I'll put some thoughts and spoilers below with a general outline of the story.

The marines on the cover are indeed techmarines in training, the central figure is the Raven Guard whose nick name is the Carrion, which was brought about by Night Lords who made light of his injuries when he pulled his legless and one armed corpse back from a mission and further enhanced when he was able to syphon off energies. The Salamander is a good craftsmen as usual. The Imperial Fists has an affinity with machine pains and so is quick at battlefield repairs, the Ultramarine comes across as totally inept, he can't get his bolter to work for a while. The Iron Warrior is the Raven Guards friend, he's the best of them and the Carrion thinks he'd easily stand out amongst the many other warsmiths that the Iron Warriors have.

Brief jump forward, Raven Guard thinks something is going on (this is set just as the heresy is breaking out, about the time Mechanicum is set) keeps seeing manouvers, Ultramarine says it's probably just in reaction to Horus's new warmaster powers and asking for more man power. The techmarine teachers have all gone missing, the Iron Warrior turns up and throw some slates at each of them, it shows information of the recycling of parts that are genecoded to their teachers, they've been killed or turned into servitors. The enemy attack the tower they are housed in, all of them die (it's a very well written piece, the battle I mean imo) Salamander sacrifices himself, Ultramarine has his head blown off, Imperial Fist gets peppered as they try to get to the elevator and is then used as a shield by the Raven Guard (who I think suffers from that rage Raven Guard had describe in the forgeworld books, Dust blindness or something) Iron Warrior throws the Raven Guard off the tower to save him from being blowing to pieces by a Warlord titan. The Raven Guard survives and eventually gets picked up by Camba Diaz of the Imperial Fists.

It then jumps to Terra, Dorn pretty much just wants to exterminatus Mars, the new Fabricator General begs him not to, Malcador suggests sending the Carrion back (he's now a Knight Errant), as the Carrion knew of a heretic who had been imprisoned with an army of semi sentiment Kastelans that was "corrupted" by a small machine that came to the conclusion humanity had to be purged. The idea was to use this heretics original plan of knocking out the southern polar machine that helps create a magnetic field for Mars, which if stopped would allow all biological matter to die due to the stellar radiation leaving nothing but machines left. This would at least keep the infrastructure in tact. They eventually agree and the Carrion returns to Mars.

Some small battles occurred between himself (who has help from 2 servitor companions including a tech raven) with a tech priest specialised in hunting down heretics but it seems the scrap code has completely took him over. Eventually the Raven Guard frees the heretic priest a long with his small army of automata and they set off towards the south pole, along the way they go in weird directions fight random battles which the Carrion believes is down to the heretical device which can predict things very very well. They get to the south pole, it's defences have been improved greatly which worries the Carrion. The priest sends the majority of his automata out to confront the defences (which include three warhounds) whilst himself and his automata lead by the Carrion "infiltrate". They get through some ambushes until they are confronted by the leader of the force that has been attempting to stop them over the last several days. It turns out it's his old friend the Iron Warrior.

His body was badly damaged but the traitor priests took what was left, exposed him to scrap code which basically corrupted him (they also told him what had happened with his legion) then built him a massive decimator like suit which had the power of magnetism. The Iron Warrior gives the Carrion the chance to join him but he refuses, a battle ensues and the Carrion is mortally wounded, all but one of the sentient automata is left, the heretical device is destroyed by the Iron Warrior who turns it to molten slag and throws it at the priest killing him to. The last robot backs off heating himself so he can't be magnetically pulled by the Iron Warrior and makes his escape (the machine inside of him is self replicating so it's possible the device will return in future). The mission is a failure the last we see of the Raven Guard is he's not responding to his cyber raven which is poking him on the head. It jumps back to Dorn, the Sigilite and the Fabricator General, they think it's failed and hopes he's dead rather than being tortured for information. The fabricator general begs Dorn to send his forces to cleanse Mars (he wouldn't before because it would waste resources for the upcoming siege) Dorn seems to relent and requests his Captains meet him. So it's possible this chapter is not over and is opening a way for the fists to take the battle to Mars prior to the siege.

There's only a couple of points I didn't really take to. One being the fact the Raven Guard had the ability to syphon off energy and then using it like force lightning, I dunno it just didn't sit right with me. The second was it was mentioned these were veterans and they had "younger" brothers down at the bottom of the tower and they were supposedly warned but then we heard nothing about them after, it felt like a loose thread. The final point was the "end boss" i.e the Iron Warrior which became a giant decimator with some sort of magma reactor on his back that allowed him to channel magnetic energy, it felt like another force ability again it just didn't sit right with me.

Overall though I enjoyed the book it explained the inclusion of the recent Kastelans models and was kind of a step that linked the current models with those of the forgeworld models (castellax were used more because they were simpler whilst Kastelans required more "programming" basically.

If anyone has any questions feel free to ask and I'll do my best to answer, like wise if I've got any information in correct or read it wrongly feel free to correct me

ok, i tried to ignore the spoiler, as i wanted to read the novel @ vacation but ... mah, i read it xD

so we have now the confirmation that all the 40k ad mec stuff is usable for the HH? yay

The Kastelans are mentioned by name at least, the Thanatar makes an appearence but seems to only go by the name Colossus, unless that's a separate class of automata, the Vorax, Thallax and Ursinax to. All that a long with the pictures seems to indicate a lot of the 40k stuff is still relative in the Heresy.

Btw the power that the Raven Guard unit reminds me of the way Corpuscarii use electricity now I think about it.

Don't go off entirely what I say, there's more to the book I just gave a vague outline of it.

[Atia]

Posted this elsewhere but it was asked if I could put it here so here it is

I'll put some thoughts and spoilers below with a general outline of the story.

The marines on the cover are indeed techmarines in training, the central figure is the Raven Guard whose nick name is the Carrion, which was brought about by Night Lords who made light of his injuries when he pulled his legless and one armed corpse back from a mission and further enhanced when he was able to syphon off energies. The Salamander is a good craftsmen as usual. The Imperial Fists has an affinity with machine pains and so is quick at battlefield repairs, the Ultramarine comes across as totally inept, he can't get his bolter to work for a while. The Iron Warrior is the Raven Guards friend, he's the best of them and the Carrion thinks he'd easily stand out amongst the many other warsmiths that the Iron Warriors have.

Brief jump forward, Raven Guard thinks something is going on (this is set just as the heresy is breaking out, about the time Mechanicum is set) keeps seeing manouvers, Ultramarine says it's probably just in reaction to Horus's new warmaster powers and asking for more man power. The techmarine teachers have all gone missing, the Iron Warrior turns up and throw some slates at each of them, it shows information of the recycling of parts that are genecoded to their teachers, they've been killed or turned into servitors. The enemy attack the tower they are housed in, all of them die (it's a very well written piece, the battle I mean imo) Salamander sacrifices himself, Ultramarine has his head blown off, Imperial Fist gets peppered as they try to get to the elevator and is then used as a shield by the Raven Guard (who I think suffers from that rage Raven Guard had describe in the forgeworld books, Dust blindness or something) Iron Warrior throws the Raven Guard off the tower to save him from being blowing to pieces by a Warlord titan. The Raven Guard survives and eventually gets picked up by Camba Diaz of the Imperial Fists.

It then jumps to Terra, Dorn pretty much just wants to exterminatus Mars, the new Fabricator General begs him not to, Malcador suggests sending the Carrion back (he's now a Knight Errant), as the Carrion knew of a heretic who had been imprisoned with an army of semi sentiment Kastelans that was "corrupted" by a small machine that came to the conclusion humanity had to be purged. The idea was to use this heretics original plan of knocking out the southern polar machine that helps create a magnetic field for Mars, which if stopped would allow all biological matter to die due to the stellar radiation leaving nothing but machines left. This would at least keep the infrastructure in tact. They eventually agree and the Carrion returns to Mars.

Some small battles occurred between himself (who has help from 2 servitor companions including a tech raven) with a tech priest specialised in hunting down heretics but it seems the scrap code has completely took him over. Eventually the Raven Guard frees the heretic priest a long with his small army of automata and they set off towards the south pole, along the way they go in weird directions fight random battles which the Carrion believes is down to the heretical device which can predict things very very well. They get to the south pole, it's defences have been improved greatly which worries the Carrion. The priest sends the majority of his automata out to confront the defences (which include three warhounds) whilst himself and his automata lead by the Carrion "infiltrate". They get through some ambushes until they are confronted by the leader of the force that has been attempting to stop them over the last several days. It turns out it's his old friend the Iron Warrior.

His body was badly damaged but the traitor priests took what was left, exposed him to scrap code which basically corrupted him (they also told him what had happened with his legion) then built him a massive decimator like suit which had the power of magnetism. The Iron Warrior gives the Carrion the chance to join him but he refuses, a battle ensues and the Carrion is mortally wounded, all but one of the sentient automata is left, the heretical device is destroyed by the Iron Warrior who turns it to molten slag and throws it at the priest killing him to. The last robot backs off heating himself so he can't be magnetically pulled by the Iron Warrior and makes his escape (the machine inside of him is self replicating so it's possible the device will return in future). The mission is a failure the last we see of the Raven Guard is he's not responding to his cyber raven which is poking him on the head. It jumps back to Dorn, the Sigilite and the Fabricator General, they think it's failed and hopes he's dead rather than being tortured for information. The fabricator general begs Dorn to send his forces to cleanse Mars (he wouldn't before because it would waste resources for the upcoming siege) Dorn seems to relent and requests his Captains meet him. So it's possible this chapter is not over and is opening a way for the fists to take the battle to Mars prior to the siege.

There's only a couple of points I didn't really take to. One being the fact the Raven Guard had the ability to syphon off energy and then using it like force lightning, I dunno it just didn't sit right with me. The second was it was mentioned these were veterans and they had "younger" brothers down at the bottom of the tower and they were supposedly warned but then we heard nothing about them after, it felt like a loose thread. The final point was the "end boss" i.e the Iron Warrior which became a giant decimator with some sort of magma reactor on his back that allowed him to channel magnetic energy, it felt like another force ability again it just didn't sit right with me.

Overall though I enjoyed the book it explained the inclusion of the recent Kastelans models and was kind of a step that linked the current models with those of the forgeworld models (castellax were used more because they were simpler whilst Kastelans required more "programming" basically.

If anyone has any questions feel free to ask and I'll do my best to answer, like wise if I've got any information in correct or read it wrongly feel free to correct me

ok, i tried to ignore the spoiler, as i wanted to read the novel @ vacation but ... mah, i read it xD

so we have now the confirmation that all the 40k ad mec stuff is usable for the HH? yay

The Kastelans are mentioned by name at least, the Thanatar makes an appearence but seems to only go by the name Colossus, unless that's a separate class of automata, the Vorax, Thallax and Ursinax to. All that a long with the pictures seems to indicate a lot of the 40k stuff is still relative in the Heresy.

Btw the power that the Raven Guard unit reminds me of the way Corpuscarii use electricity now I think about it.

Don't go off entirely what I say, there's more to the book I just gave a vague outline of it.

cool^^ hope mine arrives tomorrow :/ or i'll need something different to read during vacation xD