Carnivore Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 So I am still running my Terror Assault list that my fellow fraters were so helpful with, and while I love it my weakness for Terminators and desire for Heavy Support flexibility have prodded me toward running a Pride of the Legion list full-time. However, I was reflecting on the strengths and weaknesses of the VIII Legion, and their Rite of War, and looking for a way to get the most out of the Legion's traits. I'm far from the first to do so, and even further from the most knowledgeable, but I had an idea that I thought was worth sharing. This list was meant to crack the tough nuts: Imperial Fists, Iron Hands, Mechanicum, Knights, etc. The Breacher squads each get an Apothecary and go in the Caestus. The Caesti do what they do best, and after ramming they dump squads that with their boarding shields and an Apothecary are far more durable than most opponents would normally expect from the Night Lords, while still being just as deadly and unlike 10-man max Terror Squads, actually benefitting from A Talent For Murder thanks to their numbers. The sergeants each have a power fist, melta bombs and a breaching charge to handle anything especially resilient. Meanwhile, the Forge Lord goes with the Jetbikes to provide some muscle to go with their speed, and his nuncio-box provides a third reliable target for the Terminators to home in on. The Xiphon provides a strong aerial presence and another source of AT. Lastly, the Chainfist Praetor and his Terminators are the big-game hunters, meant for taking on Primarchs, Knights, and other high Armor/Toughness targets. Thoughts? Rite of War: Armored Spearhead + HQ + Praetor [Cataphractii Terminator Armour, Void Shield Harness, Chainfist, Mastercraft a Single Weapon, Trophies of Judgement, Teleportation Transponder] Forge Lord [Artificer Armour, Cyber-familiar, Legion Scimitar Jetbike with Heavy Bolter, Nostraman Chainglaive, Nuncio-vox, Refractor Field] + Troops + Legion Breacher Siege Squad [18x Legion Breacher Siege Space Marines, 1x Graviton Gun, 2x Lascutter, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-Vox] ····Legion Breacher Siege Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Power Fist, Combi-weapon, Melta Bombs, One Breaching Charge] Legion Breacher Siege Squad [18x Legion Breacher Siege Space Marines, 1x Graviton Gun, 2x Lascutter, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-Vox] ····Legion Breacher Siege Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Power Fist, Combi-weapon, Melta Bombs, One Breaching Charge] + Elites + Legion Terminator Squad [9x Cataphractii Terminators, 3x Chainfists, 1x Thunderhammer, 2x Power Fists, 2x Pair of Lightning Claws, 1x Power Axe, 1x Plasma Blaster, 1x Reaper Autocannon, Teleportation Transponder] ····Legion Terminator Sergeant [Nostraman Chainglaive] Apothecarion Detachment ····Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour, Combi-weapon] ····Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour, Augury Scanner] + Fast Attack + Legion Jetbike Sky Hunter Squadron [2x Plasma Cannon, 6x Space Marine Sky Hunters] ····Sky Hunter Sergeant [Power Fist] Xiphon Interceptor [Armoured Cockpit, Chaff Launcher, Ground-tracking Auguries] + Heavy Support + Legion Caestus Assault Ram [Auxiliary Drive, Frag Assault Launchers] Legion Caestus Assault Ram [Auxiliary Drive, Frag Assault Launchers] Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311344-the-road-less-traveled-3k-night-lords-armored-spearhead/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfHorus Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Well, first off why are you running Armoured Spearhead? It offers you nothing with your list. Second, I know some people swear by breachers *cough* Fist players, but frankly, Tactical Squads will offer you more bang for your points, while giving you more attacks. If you are going stick with them, drop the Lascutters (total garbage, 1 WS1 attack AP2 Str 9) and give them Melta bombs. Third, are sure you about the Assault Rams? Its thematic, but the ramming leaves something to be desired, and very relient on positioning. Have you tried Storm Eagles? Also drop the tropthies of judgement on your Praetor and get rad nades for your Forgelord. They are amazing. Gotta say I really like this list though. Very different from the majority of Legion Lists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311344-the-road-less-traveled-3k-night-lords-armored-spearhead/#findComment-4126648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnivore Posted July 25, 2015 Author Share Posted July 25, 2015 WolfofHorus, I actually laughed out loud when I read your first line, so I have to thank you for that. I appreciate your directness in getting right to the heart of it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311344-the-road-less-traveled-3k-night-lords-armored-spearhead/#findComment-4127695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 I applaud you for attempting to go outside of the box, however, your list is forgetting one Major, Critical Point: The Limitations of the Armored Spearhead RoW. All units with the Infantry Type must start in a Dedicated Transport or be able to fit inside another Vehicle. Meaning, you cant have more bodies in the army than you have Transport Capacity. Since you have 38 Breachers, 2 Apothecaries, 10 Terminators and 2 HQs but only 20 Transport Capacity across Two Caestus Rams, the list is, unfortunately, Illegal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311344-the-road-less-traveled-3k-night-lords-armored-spearhead/#findComment-4127701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnivore Posted July 25, 2015 Author Share Posted July 25, 2015 Slipstreams! Always happy to see a reply from you, my friend... even when it's to very gently point out that math remains my Kryptonite Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311344-the-road-less-traveled-3k-night-lords-armored-spearhead/#findComment-4127715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Armored Spearhead specifically states that everything has to start inside a vehicle to be an eligible choice. So, while the vehicle can deepstrike if capable, like, say a Storm Eagle or Caestus(iirc), you can't have a unit start outside of a vehicle to deepstrike in later on. Though that means you can still buy Dreadclaws, Kharybdis' or other Flyers to DS in units if needed. The rule you're probably thinking about is from Orbital Assault. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311344-the-road-less-traveled-3k-night-lords-armored-spearhead/#findComment-4127723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfHorus Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Limitations aside, it still offers you nothing and frankly I forgot to check capacity as well, either way your going to be paying 275 for 10 Breachers with melta bombs, no doubt nasty, but not points effective. Stick with the theme, switch gears. Take PotL, load up your Rams with 10 man Veteran Squads upgraded with melta bombs and a vexilla. All while being cheaper than Breachers and double the attacks in CC. If you want a dedicated CC squad, take Furious Charge and the desired amount of power weapons. If you outnumber MEQs youll be wounding on 2's on the charge. If you want a balls-to-the-wall Tank busting squad, take Tank Hunters and Melta Guns. But wait you say, Armoured Ceramite ignores melta, correct, but the VAST majority of Legion Players do not purchase it because Melta is rarely fielded in large numbers. That and Melta Bombs are Armorbane. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311344-the-road-less-traveled-3k-night-lords-armored-spearhead/#findComment-4127782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnivore Posted July 28, 2015 Author Share Posted July 28, 2015 Slipstreams & WolfOfHorus, thank you both for the clarification and help. While my initial concept can safely be called dead in the water, ironically you guys have led me back to the Rite I've been leaning toward all along (POTL) and given me a viable take on it by switching gears and using that Rite instead. So if I don't run an all-Atramentar (Terminator) POTL, I may try this: + HQ (350pts) + Primus Medicae [Cataphractii Terminator Armor, Nostraman Chainglaive, Trophies of Judgment] Praetor [Cataphractii Terminator Armor, Void Shield Harness, Chainfist, Trophies of Judgment, Digital Lasers, Mastercraft a Single Weapon] + Troops (975pts) + Terminator Squad [7x Cataphractii Terminators, 3x Chainfists, 1x Power Fist, Plasma Blaster, 4x Combi-Weapons] · Terminator Sergeant [Combi-Weapon, Nostraman Chainglaive] Veteran Tactical Squad [9x Veterans, Vexilla, Heavy Flamer, Pair of Lightning Claws, 5x Power Axes, USR: Furious Charge] · Veteran Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Thunder Hammer] Veteran Tactical Squad [9x Veterans, Vexilla, 2x Melta Guns, Melta Bombs, USR: Tank Hunters] · Veteran Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Combi-weapon, Power Fist] + Elites (400pts) + Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought [Two Kheres Pattern Assault Cannons, Extra Armor] Legion Contemptor Dreadnought [Chainfist, Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon, Extra Armor] + Fast Attack (300pts) + Javelin Attack Speeder Xiphon Interceptor [Armoured Cockpit, Chaff Launcher, Ground-tracking Auguries] + Heavy Support (975pts) + Caestus Assault Ram [Auxiliary Drive, Frag Assault Launchers] Caestus Assault Ram [Auxiliary Drive, Frag Assault Launchers] Caestus Assault Ram [Auxiliary Drive, Frag Assault Launchers] Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311344-the-road-less-traveled-3k-night-lords-armored-spearhead/#findComment-4130085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Only thing I'd change is Paragon Blade and Melta Bombs on the Preator Instead. Everything else looks cool! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311344-the-road-less-traveled-3k-night-lords-armored-spearhead/#findComment-4130095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfHorus Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Quite beefy, nice list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311344-the-road-less-traveled-3k-night-lords-armored-spearhead/#findComment-4130248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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