minigun762 Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 I'm trying to justify a air mobile templar force, something dropped from low orbit. Specifically I'm thinking LS Storms, Talons, Ravens and a few drop pods. My major hang up is the lack of basic initiates. I don't have much of a need for them as my pods will be full of Sword Brothers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 I have two words for you. Marshal's Household. :D I see no reason why a Marshal wouldn't deploy a large portion of his Sword Brethren if the situation called for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted July 25, 2015 Author Share Posted July 25, 2015 I have two words for you. Marshal's Household. :D I see no reason why a Marshal wouldn't deploy a large portion of his Sword Brethren if the situation called for it. Explain those two words more, they're new to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Marshall's household? It's actually the name of the organizational element of a crusade that the sword brethren belong to. They are the veterans of the chapter organized as the core of the crusades from amongst which the Marshalls and castellans are chosen. There are a number of formations in the new codex of all elite units like vanguard veterans sternguard veterans terminators etc that would fit with a simple name swap. Formations like the first company task force and the strike force ultra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 I have two words for you. Marshal's Household. :D I see no reason why a Marshal wouldn't deploy a large portion of his Sword Brethren if the situation called for it. Explain those two words more, they're new to me... Ah well since Black Templars have no companies we naturally have no 1st company either. Instead when they are promoted to the rank of Sword Brethren they join the Marshal's Household. All of the Sword Brethren in a crusade are part of the Marshal's Household as well as the chaplains, dreadnoughts, techmarines, etc. Basically it contains all of the command elements of the crusade. Like the rest of the chapter there is no real imposed squad structure and Brethren fight together out of brotherhood. So Sternguard, vanguard, terminators, etc are all just sword Brethren by another name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted July 25, 2015 Author Share Posted July 25, 2015 I have two words for you. Marshal's Household. :D I see no reason why a Marshal wouldn't deploy a large portion of his Sword Brethren if the situation called for it.Explain those two words more, they're new to me...Ah well since Black Templars have no companies we naturally have no 1st company either. Instead when they are promoted to the rank of Sword Brethren they join the Marshal's Household. All of the Sword Brethren in a crusade are part of the Marshal's Household as well as the chaplains, dreadnoughts, techmarines, etc. Basically it contains all of the command elements of the crusade. Like the rest of the chapter there is no real imposed squad structure and Brethren fight together out of brotherhood. So Sternguard, vanguard, terminators, etc are all just sword Brethren by another name. I guess I never really thought of how Sword Brothers were organized outside of the battle field. I tend to think of them as in charge of a squad of initiates, so I'd image them staying with their fellow battle brothers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Well that was an invention of the 6th edition codex. I would say that they do occasionally lead crusader squads but that it is more of an exception than the norm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kontakt Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 The Marshall's household is sort of our own version of the 1st company. However, templar crusades often do not use the organized structure of the other marine chapters. So a SB could join a squad of initiates with a few neophytes in tow and be considered fluffy (note he does not take any neophytes under his own watchful gaze). An entire squad of SB could also operate with various weapons (personal taste) as a separate unit from a squad of initiates. Simply put, there are no squad sergeants in the templar forces, but sometimes a SB will act as one, if the situation demands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted July 25, 2015 Author Share Posted July 25, 2015 So I guess the other side of this is can I justify Neophytes working alone. It's fine that Sword Brothers aren't watching them directly but no initiates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 I don't forsee Neophytes working on their own in a Templar force. It doesn't fit with the master/apprentice relationship that the Templars train by. IMO if a neophyte is ready to be on his own he's ready to be an initiate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kontakt Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 A neophyte goes into battle with his assigned initiate. Neophytes do not operate on their own, as they may confuse which end of the pointy thing goes into the xenos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewChristlieb Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 I like that Scouts now have the boosted stat line so I can just say they're Initiates or even Initiate/Neophyte pairs instead of trying to bs some excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kontakt Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Also, the cost of scouts has gone up, but they remain the same cheap cost in our crusader squads, while gaining the boosted stats. Bonus reason to use them in a fluffy way. In reference to the OPs intent to use scouts, I see no reason that we would not employ scouts, though I doubt very much that ours would be neophytes, but rather initiates in the lighter, more stealthy power armour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 ? Scouts are the same cost as last edition, so no price increase. But in any case, Templars don't do stealth, we do brutal forward actions and crush the enemy's resolve with overwhelming force. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted July 26, 2015 Author Share Posted July 26, 2015 ? Scouts are the same cost as last edition, so no price increase. But in any case, Templars don't do stealth, we do brutal forward actions and crush the enemy's resolve with overwhelming force. ;) Very true but I'm struggling on how to mesh that theme with an airborne force. Unless I just spam drop pods I guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 ? Scouts are the same cost as last edition, so no price increase. But in any case, Templars don't do stealth, we do brutal forward actions and crush the enemy's resolve with overwhelming force. Very true but I'm struggling on how to mesh that theme with an airborne force. Unless I just spam drop pods I guess... Thing about that is , drop pods are fluff safe for templars that an armored spearheads are like the stuff they do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kontakt Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 My apologies same price as before but regardless, 10 points in a crusader squad, 11 in a scout squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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