Fire Golem Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 If they introduce those style rules it won't stop you playing with FW's rules. The HH has always been an expansion on 40k, when the last edition came out it moved slightly further away, but FW didn't rush to change stuff like army organisation. So if this box set is a skirmish style game or uses AoS rules doesn't mean FW will suddenly change all their stuff to match it. It will just give us another way to play. But seeing as GW control FW, they might stop FW making any more books (if they do make the HH an AoS type game) leaving with some legions not done. So no, it doesn't stop us playing with the FW rules, but it might leave us with an unfinished ruleset. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311482-plastic-heresy-photos/page/7/#findComment-4132919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiral Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 That'd be really dissipointing. I've been waiting for Magnus and the Thousand Sons for so long.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311482-plastic-heresy-photos/page/7/#findComment-4132922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperorOfMankind Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 No way will that happen, they make too much money on those books. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311482-plastic-heresy-photos/page/7/#findComment-4132932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 No way will that happen, they make too much money on those books. Yeah I don't actually think it will happen, it's just a bit of a nagging worry. GW don't always make good decisions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311482-plastic-heresy-photos/page/7/#findComment-4132943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 No way will that happen, they make too much money on those books. Yeah I don't actually think it will happen, it's just a bit of a nagging worry. GW don't always make good decisions. I have zero fear of this. Even if GW keep on doing their hit/miss thing, I highly doubt that Lord Bligh would let them touch his Golden Goose. They might be the bosses, but FW is the ascendant. Interfering with the Heresy and it's releases, as FW has driven it, would be corporate suicide, and the shareholders would thrash them for it. No, this is just GW trying to re-direct some money flow, and create some simplification in their design and casting process. I actually consider this a good thing, and it speaks of GW actually making some steps in changing their past failures. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311482-plastic-heresy-photos/page/7/#findComment-4132952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 If they introduce those style rules it won't stop you playing with FW's rules. The HH has always been an expansion on 40k, when the last edition came out it moved slightly further away, but FW didn't rush to change stuff like army organisation. So if this box set is a skirmish style game or uses AoS rules doesn't mean FW will suddenly change all their stuff to match it. It will just give us another way to play.But seeing as GW control FW, they might stop FW making any more books (if they do make the HH an AoS type game) leaving with some legions not done. So no, it doesn't stop us playing with the FW rules, but it might leave us with an unfinished ruleset.But what I am saying is I don't think it will. So they release a HH box set with some other rules. Why would they then tell FW to scrap what they are doing. FW HH rules are an expansion of the current rules. Before the HH series they released a whole bunch of books with different lists and even alternate ways of playing 40k. GW didn't stop it. People buy the box set, they can use the rules there. Or use 40k rules. Or use the FW HH rules. It doesn't matter to GW what rules people use. Also, can you see GW making rules for all 18 Legions plus HH era Mechanicum and Imperial Army, and Custodes, etc etc. I can't, that's something they can leave to FW as its not vital to play the game. They may release some basic rules, but tbh they will be concerned with selling models, like the Eldar, and Orks and the other filthy xeno so they are not going to get bogged down promoting a marine on marine war to much. GW want to sell models, they want to make as much money as possible. So they have developed a product for their most successful range that can also be a gateway product into buying the even more expensive models from FW. Maybe they will get more involved in the future, but at this point I wouldn't start getting worried GW are going to demand FW stop making HH stuff when it's making them a nice profit. GW have made some mistakes in the past, but when it come to making a profit they know what they are doing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311482-plastic-heresy-photos/page/7/#findComment-4132959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 No way will that happen, they make too much money on those books. Yeah I don't actually think it will happen, it's just a bit of a nagging worry. GW don't always make good decisions. I have zero fear of this. Even if GW keep on doing their hit/miss thing, I highly doubt that Lord Bligh would let them touch his Golden Goose. They might be the bosses, but FW is the ascendant. Interfering with the Heresy and it's releases, as FW has driven it, would be corporate suicide, and the shareholders would thrash them for it. No, this is just GW trying to re-direct some money flow, and create some simplification in their design and casting process. I actually consider this a good thing, and it speaks of GW actually making some steps in changing their past failures. This. I feel that the plastics are another way of starting 30K, or adding older armour marks to 40K armies. Simple as that. Alan Bligh gave no indication whatsoever, of the HH books as we know them ending anytime soon. In fact, from what I could gather (and when I say this, it's what I could gather at the time, not an outright statement from him), he wants more staff employed so that FW can keep up with demand. As has been said more than a few times. The Heresy train has no brakes. It merely has quite a few stations to stop at on the way...(the last bit is me). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311482-plastic-heresy-photos/page/7/#findComment-4132961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 Yeah, like I said, I don't actually think it'll happen. It's like ghosts, I don't believe in them, but it doesn't stop me jumping if I hear a strange noise at night ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311482-plastic-heresy-photos/page/7/#findComment-4132965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I think it's clear why FW want to get all the upgrade kits out and basic Legion rules for most the Legions done asap. When that plastic set hits GW can advertise all the Legions not just the ones done. Buy your box set set order your fav legion upgrade kit to personalise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311482-plastic-heresy-photos/page/7/#findComment-4132966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I'd be lying if I said I'm not drooling over plastic "Second-Gen" Mark IV plate. I know, the newer Mk IV torso has proper floating upper torso and abdomen plates, which makes more sense, but I have a soft spot for the solid plate version. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311482-plastic-heresy-photos/page/7/#findComment-4132969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 The plastic Heresy box can't come soon enough :-D Truth is, even if it comes with rules for a new, simplified game, I'd still be happy to try them out. Nothing is getting in the way of regular 40 and 30k! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311482-plastic-heresy-photos/page/7/#findComment-4133006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBA Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 The more I look at the sprues, and think of future plastics, the more I find myself agreeing with BCK about the whole loss of hyper details transitioning from resin to plastic. Can't argue with more bits fodder though. Very interested in seeing the contemptor, and how the termies turn out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311482-plastic-heresy-photos/page/7/#findComment-4134108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Well, sure plastic minis arent as crisp and finely detailed as forge worlds resin, but I do think GWs latest plastic marines have all had lot of nice details. The studs on the tactical squads look great, the edges of their armour is no longer as "thick" as it used to be. I think it has potential. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311482-plastic-heresy-photos/page/7/#findComment-4134295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Yeah, just a look at the bling on the BA Tactical kit makes me think how good the plastics are! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311482-plastic-heresy-photos/page/7/#findComment-4134367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kharnfest Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I always hate how it take twice as long to assemble resin infantry compared to plastic and often times the detail makes painting the infantry take even longer. I don't mind taking time for Khârn and the elites but the basic infantry don't need much for me. They just need to look good (which these sprues do) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311482-plastic-heresy-photos/page/7/#findComment-4135090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornelias Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 You can keep your mark 2/3, for nostalgic reasons I'd literally pay whatever for a mark 6 box that mirrored the first 40k purchase I ever made with pocket money from my paper run. The original beakie box. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311482-plastic-heresy-photos/page/7/#findComment-4135373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I'm pretty sure a combined webstore would open up that option. I miss the old bits catalogue, but we all know the story of how the shelves were knocked over and sorting it out cost too much money. So they melted it down into krootox and dragon wings ;) Are you serious? On another note, I think my black templars would look cool with some old mark IV armor from the scouring days... If the box is a good discount like most of gw starter kits I guess I'll be getting more guys I don't need... Lol... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311482-plastic-heresy-photos/page/7/#findComment-4135377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I'm pretty sure a combined webstore would open up that option. I miss the old bits catalogue, but we all know the story of how the shelves were knocked over and sorting it out cost too much money. So they melted it down into krootox and dragon wings ;) Are you serious? I did hear that yes, could be rubbish though but imagine if all of the bits got mixed together.... I think Longterm we may see a box for 3 and 6, as along with 4 cover most of the look of the heresy. 5 is an iffy one as it's just older ones with studs on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311482-plastic-heresy-photos/page/7/#findComment-4135454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I'm pretty sure a combined webstore would open up that option. I miss the old bits catalogue, but we all know the story of how the shelves were knocked over and sorting it out cost too much money. So they melted it down into krootox and dragon wings Are you serious? I did hear that yes, could be rubbish though but imagine if all of the bits got mixed together.... I think Longterm we may see a box for 3 and 6, as along with 4 cover most of the look of the heresy. 5 is an iffy one as it's just older ones with studs on. Actually, I thinks its far more likely we will se a MK 2 and 6 kit rather than 3. After all, the MK 3 is not as widely spread as MK 2 and only a few legions favour that mark. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311482-plastic-heresy-photos/page/7/#findComment-4135465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Taelos Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I think you'll see whatever sells best - if you look at the Forgeworld top sellers each month, it's mk3 and mk4. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/News/June_2015_Top_10.html Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311482-plastic-heresy-photos/page/7/#findComment-4135473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Best buy some Mk II then before they get the Orca treatment :/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311482-plastic-heresy-photos/page/7/#findComment-4135477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I'm pretty sure a combined webstore would open up that option. I miss the old bits catalogue, but we all know the story of how the shelves were knocked over and sorting it out cost too much money. So they melted it down into krootox and dragon wings Are you serious? I did hear that yes, could be rubbish though but imagine if all of the bits got mixed together.... I think Longterm we may see a box for 3 and 6, as along with 4 cover most of the look of the heresy. 5 is an iffy one as it's just older ones with studs on. Actually, I thinks its far more likely we will se a MK 2 and 6 kit rather than 3. After all, the MK 3 is not as widely spread as MK 2 and only a few legions favour that mark. I think now in the newer lore, mk 3 is more widely used then before. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311482-plastic-heresy-photos/page/7/#findComment-4135478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBA Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I'm pretty sure a combined webstore would open up that option. I miss the old bits catalogue, but we all know the story of how the shelves were knocked over and sorting it out cost too much money. So they melted it down into krootox and dragon wings Are you serious? I did hear that yes, could be rubbish though but imagine if all of the bits got mixed together.... I think Longterm we may see a box for 3 and 6, as along with 4 cover most of the look of the heresy. 5 is an iffy one as it's just older ones with studs on. Actually, I thinks its far more likely we will se a MK 2 and 6 kit rather than 3. After all, the MK 3 is not as widely spread as MK 2 and only a few legions favour that mark. I think now in the newer lore, mk 3 is more widely used then before. Yeah, I was under the impression most loyalists were MK III while Horus gave the new toys, including MK IV to the traitors as far as generalizing and blanket stating who has what went. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311482-plastic-heresy-photos/page/7/#findComment-4135493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I'm pretty sure a combined webstore would open up that option. I miss the old bits catalogue, but we all know the story of how the shelves were knocked over and sorting it out cost too much money. So they melted it down into krootox and dragon wings Are you serious? I did hear that yes, could be rubbish though but imagine if all of the bits got mixed together.... I think Longterm we may see a box for 3 and 6, as along with 4 cover most of the look of the heresy. 5 is an iffy one as it's just older ones with studs on. Actually, I thinks its far more likely we will se a MK 2 and 6 kit rather than 3. After all, the MK 3 is not as widely spread as MK 2 and only a few legions favour that mark. I think now in the newer lore, mk 3 is more widely used then before. Yeah, I was under the impression most loyalists were MK III while Horus gave the new toys, including MK IV to the traitors as far as generalizing and blanket stating who has what went. I always thought that the loyalist were mk 2 heavy, while the traitors were mk 4. Now it seems its even amoung the traitors and loyalists.I mean, the loyalist with lots of mk 4 seem to be the ultramarines, BA, and DA. And now it seems mk 3 is pretty common too which is good too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311482-plastic-heresy-photos/page/7/#findComment-4135497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I don't think the Dark Angels would have much mkIV - the ultras could because they have the Veridia forge, as well as looking better in it haha :P I think there's an unspoken rule that if the aesthetic matches the legion, then they'll have that mark of armor. My lovely Dangels would be stuck with mkII/III because of being very secular from the rest of the fleets as well as having a huge competition with Horus and his golden boys. I couldn't see Horus directing any of the new shiny bits towards the Dark Angels because of his standing male genitilia measuring match with the Lion :devil: Unless somehow the Lion used his superior strategery and logistical skills to obtain some units. The 1st legion would likely be in possession of more archaic armor patterns and handcrafted ones from Mars before the process became mass produced. But again, this is all the ravings of a fanboy and could all change :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311482-plastic-heresy-photos/page/7/#findComment-4135527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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