Legion upgrade armor frequency.

[Remus Ventanus.]

So i have an itch that i need scratched

 

All of the legions are getting their upgrade packs and its all great, but this question for me arises:

 

what about the standard armor marks? I mean, is the idea of the unique legion armor reserved for veterans and leaders, or is suppose to replace the standard power armor? 

 

Im not sure how else to word it, but hopefully someone gets it :D

 

Thanks.

[DuskRaider]

I'd just sprinkle it in the army here and there. Obviously, Veterans, HQs and their ilk would most likely wear full sets, but throughout the army you could add a Legion-specific helm to a normal Mk. Tactical, or a torso w/ a normal helm, etc... I look at the upgrade kits as something to spice up your army and give it more personality more so than doing the entire force in just that armour.

[Remus Ventanus.]

I'd just sprinkle it in the army here and there. Obviously, Veterans, HQs and their ilk would most likely wear full sets, but throughout the army you could add a Legion-specific helm to a normal Mk. Tactical, or a torso w/ a normal helm, etc... I look at the upgrade kits as something to spice up your army and give it more personality more so than doing the entire force in just that armour.

My itch is scratched :p

[Joe]

iirc, the fluff for the Ultramarines upgrades describes it as standard for newer chapters/companies. I could be wrong.

[Remus Ventanus.]

iirc, the fluff for the Ultramarines upgrades describes it as standard for newer chapters/companies. I could be wrong.

Yeah The website says for the newest chapters, but tempest says "The Praetor helm is often worn as a mark of distinction and honor by veteran and legion officers". Kind of a conflict there but ill go by tempest. 

 

Also, i plan to do a few luna wolves in due time. Are the Sons of horus upgrades inappropriate? I know the sons of horus are more Cthonian influenced so im not sure

[Castellan Maximus]

what about the standard armor marks? I mean, is the idea of the unique legion armor reserved for veterans and leaders, or is suppose to replace the standard power armor?

I would say standard armour would be the norm for the rank & file tactical marine. You need to remember that the legions are HUGE... do you think every marine is going to be wearing fancy armour? Especially in the Heresy Era where there were supply problems to the loyalists from Mars.

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

No offense, Remus, but you've asked the same question about several different things pertaining to the look of your own personal army. It's your army; build it however you want. You don't have to rely on a vague sentence in Tempest to define what you do with figures you spent your own money on, or get stressed out about it. The upgrade kits are there as an option if you want to differentiate your force from the normal armor marks. Whether that's a sprinkle of upgrade parts here and there or you go full bore and upgrade every one of them, again, it's entirely up to you.

 

Since I'm not doing Night Lords, but Terran VIII Legion, I'm not going to touch any of the VIII specific stuff because it all has batwings and gory trophies on it. I've picked up a few upgrade bits from other Legions here and there as well as mixing up armor marks to give my guys a more organic lived-in feel rather than having an entire army of the same suit of armor. In fact, with a few exceptions, almost all of the upgrade kits could be used interchangeably with any Legion (and with a little scraping and sanding, even more).

[DuskRaider]

^This... I often find myself contemplating World Eater helms, the new White Scar helms, and DEFINITELY anything Iron Hands for my Death Guard. A lot of the stuff is generic in a sense, but still gives some feel of your Legion.

[Remus Ventanus.]

No offense, Remus, but you've asked the same question about several different things pertaining to the look of your own personal army. It's your army; build it however you want. You don't have to rely on a vague sentence in Tempest to define what you do with figures you spent your own money on, or get stressed out about it. The upgrade kits are there as an option if you want to differentiate your force from the normal armor marks. Whether that's a sprinkle of upgrade parts here and there or you go full bore and upgrade every one of them, again, it's entirely up to you.

 

Since I'm not doing Night Lords, but Terran VIII Legion, I'm not going to touch any of the VIII specific stuff because it all has batwings and gory trophies on it. I've picked up a few upgrade bits from other Legions here and there as well as mixing up armor marks to give my guys a more organic lived-in feel rather than having an entire army of the same suit of armor. In fact, with a few exceptions, almost all of the upgrade kits could be used interchangeably with any Legion (and with a little scraping and sanding, even more).

This topic was not intended to be about the ultramarines or my army, just general interest of how the legions operate.

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

There's not a definitive answer to that, and there won't be one forthcoming from FW.

[Remus Ventanus.]

There's not a definitive answer to that, and there won't be one forthcoming from FW.

Yeah. I just love talking about the armor of the HH. I also love hearing what everyones take on it is. 

[blackoption]

I remember that Know no Fear, Praetor armor was the Ultramarine version of the MK 4 armor.  It was created locally (in the Verdian Forge) because the MK IV armor being supplied into the XIIIth was not in sufficient numbers that the marines required.  As a result, the Ultra's developed their own and were petitiioning that it become its own mark of armor. (presumably, the mark V or VI depending on when the Corvus pattern armor would have gotten the Mars stamp of approval if there had been no heresy.)

 

With that in mind, I'd personally field my Praetorian marks of armor at equal if not more frequency than the MK 4 armors.  But that is just my view.

[Remus Ventanus.]

Does anybody actually use the  FW mk 5 armor on the TT? I dont think ive ever seen it yet. 

[blackoption]

I've seen the MK 5 used in piecemeal fashion.  Usually its MK5 components sprinkled in a force to show them scavaging and adhoc repairs. 

[DuskRaider]

I'd view Ultramarines as having very little Mk. IV armour at all, as most Loyalist Legions were cut off from the vast majority of it. Perhaps on Sergeants, HQs, and other important folk... but otherwise, Mk. II mostly (which from what I remember, Praetorian used to be a variant of before FW changed that). Honestly though, do it as you'd like. Obviously the Legion would still have some Mk. IV, they'd have Mk. III (not sure it would meet their style of warfare too much, but armour is armour), but ALL Legions had a vast amount of Mk. II.

 

Edit: I personally don't use Mk. V, as it doesn't fit my Legion too well... but if I played one of the more Assault oriented Legions, I'd add some to my force. I actually like FW's Mk. V.

[Remus Ventanus.]

I'd view Ultramarines as having very little Mk. IV armour at all, as most Loyalist Legions were cut off from the vast majority of it. Perhaps on Sergeants, HQs, and other important folk... but otherwise, Mk. II mostly (which from what I remember, Praetorian used to be a variant of before FW changed that). Honestly though, do it as you'd like. Obviously the Legion would still have some Mk. IV, they'd have Mk. III (not sure it would meet their style of warfare too much, but armour is armour), but ALL Legions had a vast amount of Mk. II.

 

Edit: I personally don't use Mk. V, as it doesn't fit my Legion too well... but if I played one of the more Assault oriented Legions, I'd add some to my force. I actually like FW's Mk. V.

I personally favor mk 2 the best. The armor that united mankind. Ill use quite a bit of that, and with the plastics coming ill undoubtley have  a fair bit of mk 4.

 

I do like FW mk 5, i just think it looks to much like modern power armor.

[DuskRaider]

I suppose it looks a little like Mk. VII... not too much. I'm sure FW will eventually redo the Mk. V and hopefully show some hints of the other Mks. used to produce the makeshift armour. It kind of irks me that the consensus is "mixed armour is Mk. V"... no, mixed armour is guys picking up whatever they can off the field / in the armoury / whatever to make sure they can keep fighting.

[Remus Ventanus.]

I suppose it looks a little like Mk. VII... not too much. I'm sure FW will eventually redo the Mk. V and hopefully show some hints of the other Mks. used to produce the makeshift armour. It kind of irks me that the consensus is "mixed armour is Mk. V"... no, mixed armour is guys picking up whatever they can off the field / in the armoury / whatever to make sure they can keep fighting.

Ya there seems to be a divide on whether or not scavenged armor is mk 5 or not. I don't think it is, I just think it's"mk 2 chest with Mk 3 legs" I would love if FW made a scavenged kit.....

[jimbo13]

 

 

I'd view Ultramarines as having very little Mk. IV armour at all, as most Loyalist Legions were cut off from the vast majority of it. Perhaps on Sergeants, HQs, and other important folk... but otherwise, Mk. II mostly (which from what I remember, Praetorian used to be a variant of before FW changed that). Honestly though, do it as you'd like. Obviously the Legion would still have some Mk. IV, they'd have Mk. III (not sure it would meet their style of warfare too much, but armour is armour), but ALL Legions had a vast amount of Mk. II.

 

Edit: I personally don't use Mk. V, as it doesn't fit my Legion too well... but if I played one of the more Assault oriented Legions, I'd add some to my force. I actually like FW's Mk. V.

I personally favor mk 2 the best. The armor that united mankind. Ill use quite a bit of that, and with the plastics coming ill undoubtley have a fair bit of mk 4.

 

I do like FW mk 5, i just think it looks to much like modern power armor.

I use mk5 legs mixed with mk3 torsos because it gives it a certain rugged feel. Makes my fists look loaded for bear. Also mine are censured/dorns executioner boys so I wanted a different feel.

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

I think the Mk V armor from FW is a little too busy with all the studs and the... fastening, uh... straps(?)... that are all over the arms and legs. I made a Mk V-light set of legs for my Raven Guard guy from some Mk VII plastic legs and for me personally, I like the look better.

 

http://i.imgur.com/CRuFrQx.png

 

That was before I put some studs on them, but there were fewer than what FW put on theirs.

[DuskRaider]

THAT... is cool.

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

And easy to do! It doesn't look like I took a pic with the studs on before the loincloth thing, but this was right before painting.

 

http://i.imgur.com/v09EzBD.png

[Remus Ventanus.]

I like that.

 

If there is on thing I love , it's straps

[jimbo13]

It's just too cool!!!

[Slips]

@BCK: The "Straps" are Power/Coolant Cables.

 

 

 

Astartes plate needed to be proof against their own penetrator weapons, and it was discovered that power armour would benefit from additional reinforcing in this regard. All sorts of improvised additional armour can be seen on Mark V suits, but the most common technique was affix additional layers of armour with the aforementioned molecular bonding studs. This relatively quick and simple technique effectively added another ablative layer to marine armour suits. The extra weight this generated would prove considerable, however, which placed a strain on power supplies. As the addition of extra power generation sources and cabling would just require more armour plating, catching the design in an eternal circle, the wearers of the suit was forced to either deal with the additional weight, or turn up the power output of his backpack but suffer extreme heat output, which not only would prove uncomfortable and even compromising in certain situations, and in many cases older, heavy power cabling was used, which created a weak point on the chest