Chief Captain Redd Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Wasn't it said earlier that you need 6 million crewmembers to h andle a gloriana? So how come the dragon need only 1,5 milliom when it should be 12 million.? The Dragon isn't of imperial build, it was built in Daer'dd's ship yards so there is far more automation than most ships. And you'll find most of the massive crew numbers come from 40k ships when original machines became irreplaceable so it was done with man power instead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311978-general-discussion/page/150/#findComment-4508448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 That seems sensible to me. Also, what are people's views on putting the index for Stories in Fan-Fic? It'd be nice to get our work out there a bit more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311978-general-discussion/page/150/#findComment-4508454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 That seems sensible to me. Also, what are people's views on putting the index for Stories in Fan-Fic? It'd be nice to get our work out there a bit more.Do it I say. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311978-general-discussion/page/150/#findComment-4508457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 (edited) A very steampunkesque approach^^ @blunt. Of course. Put it in there and let us bath in glory Maybe we should add that also to the various project threads on the different boards. Edited September 20, 2016 by MikhalLeNoir Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311978-general-discussion/page/150/#findComment-4508462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 If we have a look on the canon, the only legion we could compare with the CL are the UM because of their realm. They don't have such a fleet, theirs is even smaller than that of the Fists. And the Fists don't even have a Gloriana because of the phalanx. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311978-general-discussion/page/150/#findComment-4508534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Did they trade their Gloriana with another Legion for a bunch of smaller ships? I always found that a little confusing, as they must've had one to begin with. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311978-general-discussion/page/150/#findComment-4508536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 (edited) They were probably just never given one since the Phalanx is the size of a "Small" Moon and can even berth multiple Gloriana's within its docks. Wiki's state that they were in service from "Late 30th Millennium" meaning the Early Legions probably didn't have them yet. It also states that they were intended as gifts to the Primarchs from the Emperor, so, yeah. Edited September 20, 2016 by Slipstreams Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311978-general-discussion/page/150/#findComment-4508550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Ah, my slip-up (pun not intended) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311978-general-discussion/page/150/#findComment-4508554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 While the fist this thing bugs me I'm going to leave it alone for now. I think a good bar to set for fluff as far as ships go. Is that obviously everyone can have a Gloriana; Legions may have a select relic ship or two; fleets are very large 1000+ frigate and larger ships for standard legions, fleet based legions may have a reclaimed space hulk or multiple Ramilles class star forts as main hubs; any legion may have a Leviathan class ship or two if they wish Daer'dd would have gladly had them built for them; if you do want to create a unique superheavy remember the Gloriana class ships are wholly unique, designed and built by the greatest living mind in the galaxy and are bar none the finest class if ships. Does that seem like a fair set of suggestions to everyone? Kelborn 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311978-general-discussion/page/150/#findComment-4508589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Sounds legit. The leviathans, they were like the Gloriana but not that large, right? Depending on what came first, one of them could be temporary my legions flagship before the Gloriana. The predators do have one Ramilies to secure both Mardum and the Shattered World. Besides that, the usual Avenger Grand Cruisers and lots of barges and strike cruisers, frigates and so on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311978-general-discussion/page/150/#findComment-4508633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 (edited) Leviathans are already a kind of massive land vehicle, aren't they? Glad to hear Redd and Mikhal are keen to display the stories a bit more widely, I'm gonna wait and hear what others say for now. Edited September 20, 2016 by bluntblade Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311978-general-discussion/page/150/#findComment-4508642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Leviathans have two large conjoined superstructures culminating in one large blunt prow. So lots of mass but about 40% shorter than a Gloriana. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311978-general-discussion/page/150/#findComment-4508646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Leviathans are already a kind of massive land vehicle, aren't they? Glad to hear Redd and Mikhal are keen to display the stories a bit more widely, I'm gonna wait and hear what others say for now. It's just class name, the first one built The Leviathan (later: The Emperor's Leviathan) sort of christened the class name before Daer'dd knew their was a a Leviathan tank (which is also used heavily by the VIth lol) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311978-general-discussion/page/150/#findComment-4508651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Maybe we should alter the name for clarity's sake (adding that Daer'dd did the same in-universe). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311978-general-discussion/page/150/#findComment-4508655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I'm fine with that Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311978-general-discussion/page/150/#findComment-4508661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Phaedra (overlord) class, perhaps? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311978-general-discussion/page/150/#findComment-4508664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Then Andezo would like to order one. Along with the Avenger cruiser, the more brutal and later traitor tribes would use them for boarding actions and the like. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311978-general-discussion/page/150/#findComment-4508691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 The wardens could use one as second ship because the gloriana is blown to dust by the red comet....thanks Travier!!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311978-general-discussion/page/150/#findComment-4508695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 What ships do we have besides the Dragon that can rival a Gloriana? I believe the Lightning Bearers will have one or two, what with the fabled shipyards of Akira. There's also the matter of who gets the Terminus Est.I believe Terminus Est went to the Dune Serpents. As for ships which could stand up to a Gloriana, each Clan of the CL has a Blood Stars pattern battle barge as its flagship. They tend to be around 16-18km in length and everything about them, like most CL ships, is built to get into a boarding action as quickly as possible. Short range wpnry, prow heavy shields etc. Think the Eternal Crusader but Great Crusade scale I am sorry, but this is WAY to much. that is 12-almost gloriana's. No legion should be able to do that. Look with two HUGE ships (like the red comet and the Tira-To) thats okay, but more than 10? That is outright rediculous. Agreed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311978-general-discussion/page/150/#findComment-4508759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 (edited) I was assuming that the legions wouldn't jump from 8km long battle barges to 20-25km long glorianas. So I thought every legion would have vessels of similar size and firepower. So they weren't meant to be 12 special snowflake vessels, they were meant to be the CL legion's 12 largest vessels after their gloriana and I assumed every other legion would have at least a few vessels of comparable size and firepower(GS excepted) Edited September 20, 2016 by Sigismund229 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311978-general-discussion/page/150/#findComment-4508775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphariusOmegon108 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I was assuming that the legions wouldn't jump from 8km long battle barges to 20-25km long glorianas. So I thought every legion would have vessels of similar size and firepower. So they weren't meant to be 12 special snowflake vessels, they were meant to be the CL legion's 12 largest vessels after their gloriana and I assumed every other legion would have at least a few vessels of comparable size and firepower(GS excepted) This makes no difference, twelve almost gloriana's is STILL twelve almost gloriana's. One gloriana MAYBE one and one that is an almost gloriana class and then nothing coming even close to the size and power. They are the pinnacle of the legions, not some kind of main command boat all legions have many off, the gloriana class and semi-gloriana's are very rare and far between Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311978-general-discussion/page/150/#findComment-4508845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted September 20, 2016 Author Share Posted September 20, 2016 Leviathans are already a kind of massive land vehicle, aren't they? Glad to hear Redd and Mikhal are keen to display the stories a bit more widely, I'm gonna wait and hear what others say for now. You have my blessing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311978-general-discussion/page/150/#findComment-4508892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Phaedra (overlord) class, perhaps? A new might in war is born amongst the stars of the Three Fires, the Phaedra class destroyer and transport. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311978-general-discussion/page/150/#findComment-4508930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Overlord is ready Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311978-general-discussion/page/150/#findComment-4508935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Squig Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 [snip] Is that obviously everyone can have a Gloriana [snip] If the consensus is Glorianas for each Legion, the Krylataya Pobeda could definitely use a size upgrade considering the role I see it playing later on in the Insurrection. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311978-general-discussion/page/150/#findComment-4509027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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