bluntblade Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 So he'd have murdered an Astartes before anyone knew the situation. He'd have an immediate ticket to his own purging. I prefer that he threatens to do something like that. Then the taboo around Astartes fighting remains, and the idea remains pretty much unthinkable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 (edited) He would have murdered a possible threat to the imperium. But by breaking something which belongs to there dead brother and showing no sign of grief and open disresepct, it could be enough to enrage hec. Would hec attack because he loses himself and needs to be restrained? Morro provoking him further and further, giving him a lecture why all wolves have to die? Mocking him? I mean, hec could realize that it could have been him and his sons who were buried as they share the flaw. And if they were present on prospero it might have turned out bad for them. Would hec be more enraged by the realization or would that soemhow calm him? Edited October 3, 2016 by MikhalLeNoir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 My mental image is that everything has been kept ultra-secret. They know something is wrong on Prospero and the Wolves have been sent. Nothing more. The latter is what I'm thinking. It's enough to anger Hec, without sailing too close to outright renegade acts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 (edited) I'd be wary of having the pseudo-Black Legion have a name too close to the original Lightning Bearers, Sons of Icarion or Harbingers, as Athrawes (Character) will probably want to create a single legion out of the remnants of several of the other traitor legions (like Abaddon does). How about something akin to Lost Sons/Brothers Oathsworn etc. In fairness, I wouldn't mind Black Legion either - that name exemplifies the nature of what Abaddon or Athrawes create so well that it shouldn't be discounted too easily. What colour scheme would they use? I think that some kind of white would be neutral enough to show that it is a gathering together of different legions, and I believe it is a symbol of death in Asian cultures. However, would that clash with the Warbringers? Also, what would be the colour scheme of the One True Legion of the Suzerainty (or whatever the name of it was, I can't remember ) - A quartered scheme of the Warbringers and Warriors of Peace could be interesting no? I'm surprised to hear it's already been such a long time since Hesh posted, but he's already taken long pauses in the past no? Does anybody know his job? EDIT - we really need to integrate the colour schemes and symbols into the first posts of the legions - even having them in the index could be interesting. Edited October 3, 2016 by Lord Thørn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 3, 2016 Author Share Posted October 3, 2016 Fair point about the symbols and schemes. I'll try to remember to do that for the Wardens. As for Hesh, yes, he's been in and out before, but this happened after a particularly productive time on his part. Not only that, I'm not sure he's ever gone an entire month. I take that back. It's now been a month and a half now since he's made a post. And, I don't think anybody knows what he does in RL. According to his post in the Start thread, he does a lot of traveling for his work, but I'm not sure how that interacts with his internet capability. Thinking more on the Drowned, I think the general consensus is that they are too enmeshed in the canon to be replaced. In which case, we have more time to deliberate on their fate. Main options are to simply replace Hesh with another/new Legionnaire, or I enact the 04-Rock Protocol. Either way, the Drowned will be carried past Insurrection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generalripphook Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Hey there, this is Generalripphook from the heresy 30K forum. Finally got my account here. bluntblade 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 3, 2016 Author Share Posted October 3, 2016 Ripphook, good to see you and welcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Meros Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Good day, mister Ripp. Welcome to our humble abode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Hi there Mr. Ripp;) For the Legion name: INNOVATERS came to my mind. And for the true legions color scheme: white. Pure white^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 I'm not really that keen on the idea of white. Particularly when there'll be a lot of Chaotic corruption, I don't feel the two would combine that well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Do the Suzerainty become corrupted? I thought their whole thing was that they left because of the corruption that was spreading through the Insurrectionist Legions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Nah, Suzerainty get into trouble further down the line thanks to their gene-meddling. Just when this place wakes up, I have to go to work. Humph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 So why is white the wrong color for the suzis true legion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 It just doesn't feel right for unabashed evil. From what I've read it white's association with Death in Asian culture, it's a rather different context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 But Kozja dress them up because they are the avatars of absolute purity.he does not know that they are evil and if the evil forces are white it gives a nice contrast. Or are all black legions per se evil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalpynock Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 So why is white the wrong color for the suzis true legion? Because Blunt probably thought you were talking about the post-Icarion Harbingers, rather than the Suzerainty's True Legion. Pure white I'm not completely keen on. One idea was grey, gold and blue, which from my tests in Chapter Maker looks adequately good. Another, the earliest, had them in gold, with purple (Asklepian order) and black adornments, but that might get too close to the Custodes and/or Emperor's Children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 (edited) Oh, we're talking the Suzerainty? Well, I was on the wrong track. Ninja'd by Skal Edited October 3, 2016 by bluntblade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 (edited) Did I miss something? What is this "suzerainty's true legion" people are talking about? And I thought the Suzerainity don't fall to Chaos, they just stay seperate from the Imperium? Also, welcome General Ripphook, it's always good to see new blood amongst us. :) Edited October 3, 2016 by SanguiniusReborn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Ahhh. Okay....although the white as a asian reference could work for athrawes legiom too, I really meant the suzis true legion.. The true legion of the democrats is built.after.kozja has found the secrets.of the emperor and builts the one true primarch and from his gene seed the one true legion. Too bad that they will rise as the false primarch and create some turmoil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Ah okay, so the War of the False Primarch happens, but I thought it was the Jade General that creates the new Primarch? I vaguely remember us discussing the idea of Jade possibly dying to stop his wayward creation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Maybe I mixed something up. Bit Kozja wants to create true astsrtes with all the bemefits but without the flaws. Jade wamts to create pariahs at will. Maybe a joint venture^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Drakzilla~ Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Can I just take the liberty to create a thread for all the discussion on the Suzerainty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Maybe I'm misremembering things, I suppose it makes more sense that Kozja is the New Primarch's creator, though that means we still need to figure out Jade's eventual fate at some point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 How about pure Silver for the "one legion"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Drakzilla~ Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 I believe Jade creates the False Primarch, or at least was co-creator. I have a very good plan for his fate, but if it makes more sense for Kozja to create it and Jade to be less involved, then I'm okay with changing his fate. But this was one of the things left to me by Sim, so I'm not sure how he'd feel with changing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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