simison Posted August 30, 2015 Author Share Posted August 30, 2015 That's one possibility. Since the Traitors have such an early advantage, Icarion has two broad strategies he can operate on. One, he can push for Terra. Two, he'll have enough legion strength to set up a rival Imperium and begin to expand outward, and eventually swallow up the loyalist Imperium whole. Granted, either plan is ruined by the Revolutionaries' defection, but there you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 That would make a lot of sense for any of the loyalist Primarch whom splits their forces, one for Terra, one to defend their home worlds or persue action against the Icarion's Imperium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 If you look at Icarions position at the start of the insurrection,he has more than half of the legions and primarchs following him. Out of those legions that stayed loyal, the Iron Bears(sorry Redd) can effectively be discounted as an effective fighting force(on this kind of grand scale), the Crimson Lions, Scions Hospitalier, Void Eagles and Dune Serpents have all taken a very heavy beating and won't be able to effectively stop him. Icarion easily afford to send a legion after each of those, keeping the remaining forces with him and heading for Terra. Once he reaches Terra he can cut off loyalist supply lines. This won't hve much effect on the astartes but the normal population will begin to suffer as soon as the food stops. Then Icarion can just wait for Terra to fall apart and then pick up the pieces as the Fire Keepers and Halycon Wardens will be fenced in and the remaining loyalists would have to be mad to try and break through. The only thing he has to fear is dissention from his own commanders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 None taken Sig, that actually points out that the Bear's strength of being a capable small elite force is a weakness in Legion warfare. We might have all the finest gear and armoury, but the War Tribes operate independently so we'll typically be out numbered 3 or 4 to 1 in legion on legion combat. We're best used as assist to other legions in the Insurrection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Also, we still need to figure out what each legion was doing during the insurrection. For example, is there a shadow crusade? Does Icarion visit Molech? Whens this big battle we were talking about that would turn the tide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Could use my guys as the guinea pigs for the genetic experiments. I like Bane, let's have some failed proto-Banes going about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted August 30, 2015 Author Share Posted August 30, 2015 No Molech. That book gave me a headache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Oh and for Raktra's ascension to deamonprincedom, I volounteer the Crimson Lions as the legion he butchers to get there. Raktra 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 I'll paint up a Praetor in their honour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 I'm honoured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 What about Icarion and co. traveling through the webway in a surprise assault that circumnavigated all that defensive silliness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 What about Icarion and co. traveling through the webway in a surprise assault that circumnavigated all that defensive silliness? ...did you talk to Athrawes right before you posted that? If not, the coincidence is uncanny. Because he just suggested that's what happens during the end-game. Instead of the Revolutionaries going to Terra, they head to Madrigal to collapse the Imperium Secundus (working title) at its heart, catching Icarion there. While the Traitors whittle down the Loyalists on Terra, Icarion faces off against Kozja and Jade. The Revolutionaries succeed with Icarion taking his elite through the Webway to launch a last-ditch attack on the Emperor. Now, this couldn't happen at the beginning because the Emperor still has most of his power. It's only after years of fending off the daemons does he gradually become exhausted to the point where Icarion stands a chance. And that chance just happens to show up right when he makes his gamble. Skalpynock 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 (edited) I'd actually imagine that might be a harder assault. Think battle of Thermopylae except it's the Emperor and even more Custodes and Sisters. As most of their contingents were in the Webway already fighting after the seals fall on the gateway. EDIT: Athrawes suggestion is far better than I was thinking of simply Astartes pouring through the webway. Edited August 31, 2015 by Chief Captain Redd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 @Simison We casually communicate telepathically ;) It's too bad a few of our fellow heresy members didn't like our project, but hey, you win some you lose some. I'm gonna say upfront that I'm happy and impressed you've kept this afloat for so long, so props to u man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 @Simison We casually communicate telepathically It's too bad a few of our fellow heresy members didn't like our project, but hey, you win some you lose some. I'm gonna say upfront that I'm happy and impressed you've kept this afloat for so long, so props to u man. We lost some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athrawes Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 No, he's talking about a thread in Age of Darkness General with about a few board members who were pretty upset about all of the Lost Legion Threads (dealing with Brotherhood of the Lost I think) overwhelming the AoD General discussion subforum before they were moved to special projects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 @Simison We casually communicate telepathically ;) It's too bad a few of our fellow heresy members didn't like our project, but hey, you win some you lose some. I'm gonna say upfront that I'm happy and impressed you've kept this afloat for so long, so props to u man. We lost some? Lol no, it just seemed that some people were upset with our project for whatever reasons :P reasons I can't quite penetrate with my intellect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I thought he just meant us getting moved out of Age of Darkness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Hmmm...so people are upset about it are they...(takes out a chain axe) Big Bad Squig 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athrawes Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Hmmm...so people are upset about it are they...(takes out a chain axe) For good reason, it was taking up the whole front page of the Horus Heresy general discussion (and it had nothing to do with the Horus Heresy). That's why this was all moved to the Special Projects Sub Forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Yeah I was nervous about how much we taking up, but now we have are own active space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Wow. Hadn't read those.complaints. the thread still on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Ah to hell with the naysayers. I even got messages being odd about it on FB after I shared the project on my Iron Hands plog page. Some people just despise any shift from the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Yeah, some peoples response will always be "it's not canon, it's stupid" but you get that with anything DIY. We're doing something very cool and pretty special. I personally enjoy ours far more than the standard Heresy. Although we do lack Dan Abnett and ADB. Praefectus Invictus and Big Bad Squig 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praefectus Invictus Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Yeah, some peoples response will always be "it's not canon, it's stupid" but you get that with anything DIY. We're doing something very cool and pretty special. I personally enjoy ours far more than the standard Heresy. Although we do lack Dan Abnett and ADB. Maybe we could recruit ADB into the fold... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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