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[Sigismund229]

Hectarion survives into M.32 but then vanishes while fighting a Chaos incursion near the Eye of Terror along with the Myramodons. The Crimson Lions say he's hunting demons in the warp and will return for the final battle. However, there are other stories. Some people say he's gone in search of Leman Russ and Magnus, others sy he's standing vigil over mankind, others still say he returned to Terra to stand vigil over his father for eternity. Nobody knows the truth except for Alexos and Venerable Leonus and neither of them is telling anybody anytime soon.

[MikhalLeNoir]

Gwalchavad left Right After the insurrection because Even if the Imperium was saved, it wasn't saved for him.

The Wardens of Light and the Grey Wardens believe, that he will Return at the end times, to bring the Light back to the Universe.

[Slips]

Feel free to put me back on track if this goes off the Deep End but:

 

During our Scouring Equivalent, Pionus is hunting down Daemon <Primarch TBD> and was injured to the point where death was the only recourse left due to how grave the injuries he sustained are. His sons, Family and citizenship of Iona go into a frenzy looking for ways to either keep him alive or to bring him back to good health such was his connection to all the parties involved that they could not imagine a future without him.

 

At some point, they stumble on the Wraith-Tech of the Eldar and strike a Bargain with them: Create a Wraithbone Construct for the Primarch and Shove his soul into it (Its technically better than a Dreadnought, right? -- also his body wouldn't survive Dreadification at this point) and they give them a portion of their own Mini-Empire to live in peace in despite being a Renowned Anti-Xenos Legion; such was their Love for the Primarch Pionus Santor.

 

I dunno. Its pretty out there.

 

 

Still, a Wraithbone-bodied Primarch would be pretty cool.

Edited September 14, 2015 by Slipstreams

[Chief Captain Redd]

Daer'dd is obviously first to fall. They ship him back to Huron to preserve his remains, even at the cost of a thousand Totem Guards attacking those who slew him.

[Chief Captain Redd]

Whoops and Slipstream I'd be okay with a wraith Primarch could be pretty awesome, you could be the opposite of what Mortarian became, him the Angel of Death, Pionus the Angel Savoir! In fact the finest of Daer'dds Artificiers I'm sure would gladly help up armour him and make him more Astartes esque, If that's what you would like Edited September 15, 2015 by Chief Captain Redd

[Doctor Perils]

Feel free to put me back on track if this goes off the Deep End but:

 

During our Scouring Equivalent, Pionus is hunting down Daemon <Primarch TBD> and was injured to the point where death was the only recourse left due to how grave the injuries he sustained are. His sons, Family and citizenship of Iona go into a frenzy looking for ways to either keep him alive or to bring him back to good health such was his connection to all the parties involved that they could not imagine a future without him.

 

At some point, they stumble on the Wraith-Tech of the Eldar and strike a Bargain with them: Create a Wraithbone Construct for the Primarch and Shove his soul into it (Its technically better than a Dreadnought, right? -- also his body wouldn't survive Dreadification at this point) and they give them a portion of their own Mini-Empire to live in peace in despite being a Renowned Anti-Xenos Legion; such was their Love for the Primarch Pionus Santor.

 

I dunno. Its pretty out there.

 

 

Still, a Wraithbone-bodied Primarch would be pretty cool.

 

Hum... I didn't get the impression pionus and co. were particularly Xenos friendly, must be thinking of the wrong legion...

 

What's wrong with a particularly powerful Dreadnought ? Possibly even a Knight sized Dreadnought ? Imagine a Dreadnought-Knight battling a Daemon-Primarch !

 

Basically, I'm not sure why you'd want to go as far as create a heretekal wraith construct when you can have a perfectly good Dreadnought equivalent, especially when considering it might be just as powerful, and far more "canon"friendly ?

[Raktra]

I'm in the pro-wraithbone camp. I picture it looking creepy as :cuss with one of those unsettling gender blended voices you get in crazy japanese stuff.

[Slips]

 

 

Feel free to put me back on track if this goes off the Deep End but:

 

During our Scouring Equivalent, Pionus is hunting down Daemon <Primarch TBD> and was injured to the point where death was the only recourse left due to how grave the injuries he sustained are. His sons, Family and citizenship of Iona go into a frenzy looking for ways to either keep him alive or to bring him back to good health such was his connection to all the parties involved that they could not imagine a future without him.

 

At some point, they stumble on the Wraith-Tech of the Eldar and strike a Bargain with them: Create a Wraithbone Construct for the Primarch and Shove his soul into it (Its technically better than a Dreadnought, right? -- also his body wouldn't survive Dreadification at this point) and they give them a portion of their own Mini-Empire to live in peace in despite being a Renowned Anti-Xenos Legion; such was their Love for the Primarch Pionus Santor.

 

I dunno. Its pretty out there.

 

 

Still, a Wraithbone-bodied Primarch would be pretty cool.

Hum... I didn't get the impression pionus and co. were particularly Xenos friendly, must be thinking of the wrong legion...

 

What's wrong with a particularly powerful Dreadnought ? Possibly even a Knight sized Dreadnought ? Imagine a Dreadnought-Knight battling a Daemon-Primarch !

 

Basically, I'm not sure why you'd want to go as far as create a heretekal wraith construct when you can have a perfectly good Dreadnought equivalent, especially when considering it might be just as powerful, and far more "canon"friendly ?

Mostly because at that point, hes just a head and 1/3rd of a Torso. Meanin not even Dreadnought tech can keep him alive for long.

 

Which is why they go against their legion beliefs, let alone those of the Imperium, to construct a Wraithbone Body for his soul to inhabit.

 

Essentially its Pionus > legion beleifs > imperial beliefs

[Hesh Kadesh]

I am returning. Fancy a post Heresy 'Pacific Rim'/Godzilla style smash em up with Daemon Morro vs Wraithknight Pionus? He is currently trying to withold his soul from being given to Slaanesh, and is gradually losing, and only by giving one of his brothers can that be assuaged. Why not attempt to give his new Lord one bound with Eldar souls as well? Perhaps he has found an exodite colony and a secret route to the waystations, and this becomes a war between the remaining Drowned (who secceeded from the Imperium, only Morro and a few thousand of his nearest and dearest became followers of Slaanesh as she devoured their souls)..

 

The exodite world could lead to a pathto the Black Library and commoragh, leading to a vast worfism as Morro obliterates the eldar/d a rk eldar, while Pionus and the remaining drowned fight him back.

Edited September 15, 2015 by Hesh Kadesh

[Chief Captain Redd]

As obvious as it sounds, a Daemon Primarch Morrow vs. Wraith Primarch Pionus has to happen on a water world, the massive powers colliding creating an unthinkable storm. The "cinematic" visuals one could dream up while writing that could be a Lovecraft meets Melville meets Tolkien styled epic!

 

Also it could be an Exodite world still where they turned their craftworld into a massive island and created vast underwater cities and harvest the ocean for their food and needs.

[Slips]

I like it!

 

If anything It means I'll probably end up buying a 3rd Wraithknight to transform it into Wraith-Pionus since I found a pretty damn amazing starting point image to build towards:

 

Image hidden due to Xenos even if its kinda-related.

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I wish I could credit the person who made this but I cant find the original source

[Sigismund229]

Or the mechanicum could create a new body for Pionius(or at least parts of a new body) made from ceramite etc. cos it's not unknown for hugher up Imperials to have extensive(and I mean extenisve) bionics, modifications etc.

After all Tychos Lamiad had half his head blown off and lived to tell the tale thanks to the mechanicum.

[Slips]

The thought has crossed my mind but it feels a bit too... *waves hands indecisively in the air* cookie cutter? Is that what I'm going for?

 

I mean, sure you can survive with 1/2 of your brain blown off but, he wasn't in Mortal Combat with a Daemon Primarch and brought to the point where a Soul Transfer into a Wraithbone construct would have a higher chance of success than making a 40k RoboCop :p

[Demus Ragnok]

Plus you have the angle that those fickle space elves have a prophecy that motivates them to help a primarch. They may see a need for him in the future.

[Sigismund229]

I'm just trying to think of ways in which something like this could happen without annoying the other legions too much. Like the Crimson Lions would be on high alert and suspicion mode and imprisoning your primarchs soul in a xenos construct would be a fairly sure way to trip their heresy detector Edited September 15, 2015 by Sigismund229

[Slips]

Thats the Beauty of it, though!

 

So much potential conflict and interesting storylines!

[Demus Ragnok]

I mean Liono was led around by those little guys from StarWars his whole life.

[Sigismund229]

Potential conflict? I think we'd be looking at more than just a potential conflict when the other legions found out. More like campaign of extermination :P

[Slips]

You're jumping the gun a bit there.

 

Its not like their "We're totes BFF's with the Eldar now. Our Cultures Shall Merge."

 

its more "Shove our Gene-Daddies Soul into one of your Wraith-Things and we wont annihilate you all on a subatomic level and, if we feel like it, might give your guys a Solar System as Recompense. Maybe"

[Sigismund229]

People who've just been betrayed by more than half of the people they once would have trusted with their lives tend to attack first and ask questions later and not make much distinction between the two.

I apologise if I'm coming across as beligirent I just think that not many of the other legions would stand for it.

Well that and I think Pionius would look a awesome with a Tychos Lamiad/Captain Tycho style half mask

Edited September 15, 2015 by Sigismund229

[Slips]

People who've just been betrayed by more than half of the people they once would have trusted with their lives tend to attack first and ask questions later and not make much distinction between the two.

I apologise if I'm coming across as beligirent I just think that not many of the other legions would stand for it.

Well that and I think Pionius would look a awesome with a Tychos Lamiad/Captain Tycho style half mask

Nah its good points, something I need to keep in mind.

 

For the mask deal, you might be on your own for that since I dislike them :x

 

However, I feel that justifying "We did this to save our Primarch and look at him now going full on Pacific Rim / Godzilla vs Morro now! Doth thou doubt our Loyalty?" to the Imperium would be a tiiiiiiiiny bit easier than, say, "We have a Company of Wraithguard Astartes. Totally cool, right?"

 

:P

[MikhalLeNoir]

Or a wheelchair;)

 

I can understand Sigismund in this, although a Fight on a Water World ala godzilla/ pacific rim is Quite tempting.

 

The legions would think, that this is a trick of the eldar. BUT it could be a big secret among pionius sons. Oficially he is dead, but he is locked up in his wraithknight and pull the Springs from the shadows and only intervenes, if something like a daemon primarch is attacking, afterwards he will disappear and Nobody will know what really happens. There Are rumors.... Some have seen....the usual stuff.

 

But you Know,that, when you transfer his soul, he is only so strong aus the technique from the wraithknight , isn't he? Because his Soul doesn't make the wraithknight stronger, does he? ( don't Read xenos stuff ;) )

If the the eldar could make stronger wraithknights, what hinders them to retake the Galaxy?

 

But wasn't pionius envisioned aus the perpetual in out Little Universe, as he survives all attempts to kill him?

Edited September 15, 2015 by MikhalLeNoir

[Chief Captain Redd]

What if plot wise it was kept secret?

 

Like what if say outside of the Scions, maybe Malcador/Valdor/The Emperor and the High council of Iron Bears know? I think The Emperor would support it opposed to losing another of his sons. The Bears would understand because of the loss of Daer'dd. And as I was offering earlier the Bears' best Smiths and Artificers could up armour it and say it is a one off suit of Dread armour fit for a Primarch.

 

So Pionus is walking around hiding his new Wraithbone form behind a Knight sized suit of armour, now being the Emperor's truly eternal son.

[Slips]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

 

We never really got a consensus on the whole Perpetual thing :p I'd rather avoid being all like "Hes totes a Perpetual now, deal." if I can.

 

Having the Secret Primarch a la Lion'el Johnson would be feasible.

 

Fluff for Wraithknights is that, of a Pair of Eldar Twins, One Dies and they put his/her soulstone into the Wraithknight. The Living one also then physically pilots it due to their weird uber-Twin Connection that Eldar Twin Get. A Wraithknight is only so powerful due to the Connection of the Dead Twins Soul with that of the Living one.

 

As for the Actual Wraithbone Body, I was thinking more along the lines of a Wraithbone Contemptor in Pionus' Image vs "Its a Wraith-thing with his soul in it!" and I think the Iron Bears would be able to suitably pimp it out enough to hide any glaring evidence of its Origin citing "Its Dark Age Tech" when any dubious questions get flown their way.

 

That way theres no real need for secrecy...just being tight lipped about the origin.

[Raktra]

We've got a lot of Xenos-sympathetic Primarchs kicking about in our roster, I don't think it'd be too much of a stretch to think that, after the Emperor gets mangled, the remaining Primarchs bend the rules. Plus I just really, really wanna see this happen.

 

http://assets1.ignimgs.com/thumbs/userUploaded/2014/10/17/TPS_28-1413592720344.jpg

Come oooon, space stuff.