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[simison]

You see, that's what I was doing in the first place. So, I went over to Heresy 30k and tried doing it there since they're essentially the same design. Lo and behold, I find it easy, it's right above the Post Options. 

 

Which means I simply don't have the access. 

[Slips]

Hmmmm alright then. Thats kinda lame >_<

 

I can do it for ya in either case just send me what you wanted to poll.

[simison]

Thank you, it's rather simple. I wanted to poll everyone on how they view their own legions now that we are at the 6-month mark. Do they still see their legions as primarily a canon Lost Legion or do they now view them as a BotL-verse Legion first?

 

EDIT: And toss in a couple of funny/snarky options. 

Edited February 29, 2016 by simison

[Sigismund229]

Quick story about the knights errant

The Errant Son

Anithos Sorron quickly peeked out from behind the corner he was hiding around, barely seeing the wall of skitarii before he was forced to duck back behind cover, moving his head back just before a bolt of plasma shot past his head. Sighing he looked back at his comrade in this venture, a Void Eagle named Aiton who said "Heady stuff eh?". Although both astartes were helmed, Anithos heard the amusement in the Void Eagle's tone. However, being from the XVI legion as he was, Anithos failed to see what was funny about nearly having one's head removed by plasma, although even if he'd understood it's unlikely that he would have laughed. Years of fighting across the galaxy and seeing all the horrors it contained had stolen his sense of humour. So he decided not to acknowledge the joke. Instead, he said "We need to get past that barricade. You have a boarding shield". The Void Eagle just nodded and said "Will do. Just don't blame me if your behind gets singed" before marching around the corner, hunched behind his boarding shield and opening up with his bolter. With his brother now drawing the bulk of the skitarii's fire, Anithos emerged from his cover and begin picking off skitarii with precision shots from his bolter, the mass reactives punching through eye sockets or weak points in the armour. The vox crackled again and Aiton asked "How many hours did that take? You must have spent more time on the range than in battle". Anithos kept firing, only saying "The mission. Focus" to which Aiton replied "That's the problem with the XVI, you're too damn serious the lot of you. No wonder you're all such miserable bastards".

 

Soon, Aiton reached the skitarii barricades and when he did he wrought havoc, punching out with his shield and shooting at point blank range. Within minutes of Aiton reaching the barricades, Anithos also charged in, wielding his chainsword with precision that would do any astartes proud. When they were done slaughtering the skitarii, Aiton said "Not bad for a squid" the grin evident in his tone. Anithos chose not to reply. As the two continued down the corridoor, Aiton spoke again "Come on. The XVI must have some sense of humour. I know you're miserable but I didn't think you were this bad". Anithos just shook his head and said "No. No sense of humour. At least, not one others would understand. Now quiet, we're approaching the next set of doors and we don't know what's on the other side". The Void Eagle just nodded. When they reached the door, Anithos used the melta in his combi-bolter to blast a hole through the door wide enough for an astartes to walk through. When he did, his vox chimed and the Commander's voice came over saying "You're late".

 

The dim red lighting of the room revealed three more astartes standing in the dimly lit chamber. One, Niiganii, was in the bone and turqoise plate of the Ghost Walkers and was armed with a combi bolter, like Anithos. The second was their apothacery, an Iron Bear named Enoch who chose to go into battle armed with a volkite caliver, although he also wielded a tomahawk for close combat, although it wouldn't have mattered. So much of his body had been replaced with augmetics following the injuries he'd sustained over Kataii that even unarmed he was enormously strong. The third and final figure wore the black and grubby white of Raktra's sons, the infamous Berzerkers of Uran. He had many nicknames, the errant son and the black knight to name two. His actual name was Khârn and he had been the first of them to enter into the Sigilites surface. Clad in mkIV and armed with his chain axe, Khârn had plucked each of them from out of the fires of war and chosen them to join the Sigilite's strike team. "Where's Intii?" he asked bluntly, to which Anithos replied "Dead, two junctions back. Plasma, point blank and to the head". Khârn nodded, accepting the Eagle Warrior's death and saying "Let his sacrifice not be in vain" before moving forwards, not looking back to see if his comrades were following him, knowing they would.

 

They had finally reached the chamber they came for. Khârn moved aside and let the Ghost Walker take the lead. Explosives and pathfinding was his area of expertise. Planting 3 melta charges on the door, Niiganii signed that they should all move back at least two metres. When they had done so, he blew the charges, destroying the door and sending metal debris flying everywhere, although the astartes' armour rendered them proof against most of it. However, what their armour wasn't proof against was the storm of fire that came from within the chamber.

 

Being closest to the door, Niiganii suffered the worst, with dozens of bolter shells slamming into his armour and a melta blast melting the right side of his torso armour like wax, causing his skin to blacken and blister and expose his rib cage. However, ever bloody minded the Ghost Walker fired off several shots through the smoke and Anithos could tell from the lessening of the fire that came their way that the Ghost Walker had hit something, although how that was possible through this smoke he couldn't fathom, as even his helmets filters did little to help him. Evidently the others had reached the same conclusion as, as he began running through the smoke, Anithos could hear several other astartes doing the same. However, as always, the first into melee was Khârn, who charged through the smoke swinging his chain axe and roaring, his helm's amplifiers turning his already ursine bellow into nothing short of a titan's horn.

 

The first foe Anithos came up against was a Harbinger with the markings of a Unification Wars veteran. Feinting high, Anithos brought his knee up into the marine's stomach, causing him to double up after which Anithos brought his chainsword up to chew through the marine's neck. Letting the body drop to the floor, Anithos then fired his combi-plasma point blank into a Harbinger's faceplate, evaporating the traitor's head. Over the vox, he heard Aiton say "You're avenged Niiganii" to which the Ghost Walker growled "I'm not dead yet you bastard. Now just help me up". Looking around, Anithos saw that the fight was over. There had only been five Harbingers guarding this room. Evidently they weren't expecting an attack. Looking back to the shattered door, he saw Niiganii limping into the room, another bolter shot having hit his hip, supprted by Enoch, who lay him down against the control panel and set to work patching him up as best he could.

 

Over a private vox channel, Anithos asked Enoch "Will he live?" to which the Iron Bear replied "Unlikely but you never know and he's a tough bastard this one". Grunting agreement, Anithos turned to look to where Aiton was hooking his armour into the control panel to upload whatever data was contained within into his armour's internal storage systems. However, before he could finish, a high hissing noise rose from the door, the tell tale sound of a lascutter beam hitting adamantium. Glancing at the door, Khârn growled "Come on we're leaving. We can't fight off a full squad". When Aiton objected, stating he was only a few seconds away from getting all the information onto his armour, Khârn forcibly unplugged him, and where the shock of such a sudden disconection would normaly have disabled his movement for several seconds, he was being dragged by Khârn so it was of little import. Enoch began to pick up Niiganii, but before he could the Ghost Walker stopped him, saying "I'll slow you down. Just leave me with a weapon and get out of here". When Enoch made to object, Niiganii just shook his head and said "I'm not stupid. I'm dying. I know that and even if I didn't you think my armour wouldn't tell me? Just save yourselves and leave me to die how I choose" he said nodding towards the rad grenades on his belt and the self destruct on the panel. The hissing stopped. "They're

[Sigismund229]

almost through" said Anithos, aiming his bolter at the door. Nodding, Enoch handed Niiganii a bolt pistol and ran out of the door, picking up Aiton's breacher shield as he did so. As Anithos left the room, he saw a white foot kick out the section of door carved out. However, before he left, he nodded to Niiganii who nodded back and said "Make it count" before turning to the door and bracing himself against the control panel.

 

As he ran back through the coridoor he'd come down, Anithos heard the unmistakable crack of a bolt pistol before he heard another sound, the unmistakble sound of a bolt gun. After that he heard no more bolt pistol shots. None the less he kept running until a bolt shell slammed into his shoulder guard. Turning to fire at the shooter, Anithos saw the Harbinger's piling out of the room. However, then he heard Niiganii over the vox say "Emperor...protects", each word sounding like it took superhuman effort. Then Anithos heard a massive explosion and roared over the vox "RUN!!!" before breaking into a sprint as the world around him exploded in fire.

[Chief Captain Redd]

I wanted to pose a question with a premise. See I was thinking about Marriage as a political tool, commonly used in Aristocracies and nobilities. Well what about the Imperium, because that ran me into an interesting quandary. The Three Fires sub sector is chalk full of Nobel houses, knight houses, Tribes, Clans, Titan legions, and other old archaic forms of Imperial society. But with the caveat of when an Iron Bear ascends he often becomes head of his House, Tribe, or Clan (unless multiple ranking Astartes are from there already) so what if he was Married off as a political move to strengthen the tribe with another house or something? I know we don't ever mention it because of the old warrior monk thing, but this is a different universe. So I wanted to get your thoughts, I'd sort of like to bring it in as a bit of background intrigue for some of my Bears, but if people were disgusted by it I'll leave it be.

[Sigismund229]

Personally I wouldn't mind as there were plenty of historical rulers who stayed celibate but married for political gain.

[Demus Ragnok]

There was a discussion on ships in the book 1 thread I thought I'd shift to this thread.

 

Redd mentioned Niklaas getting Phalanx. (This also extends to the character discussion) I have purposefully avoided Realverse people, and things, that's just me. I feel better about my legion going that direction.

 

FYI the flagship of the Fire Keepers is the Treads Upon the Night, a Glorianna Class Battleship( that may been Fist of Iron in the Realverse, ya know tenth legion and all)

TUtN is always accompanied by Scarlet Watchman and Barbican, two Battleships almost as large and powerful as TUtN.

 

The unique thing in the FK fleet is the Sojourner. It is Niklaas' home away from home. He spends a great deal of time aboard when not over seeing ops from aboard TUtN. Security on Sojourner is super tight. Crew assignments are made by the primarch only. Rumors persist that ship is a relic of the Dark Age or not Imperial in design. It is smaller than a Battleship, larger than a cruiser but seemingly as powerful and fast as both.

[Raktra]

Hmm, I can see it. Hell, had circumstances been different I can easily imagine Argel Tal doing that in the canonverse.

[Sigismund229]

My notes on how I imagined the Crimsom Lions fleet in the canonverse(meaning it may need adjustement). Please bear in mind that they're boarding specialists first and foremost(in fact in the canonverse their closest brothers were the Imperial Fists, as well as the Wolves).

 

The Lupa Sanguis

The XI legion's flagship, the Lupa Sanguis is an enormous Gloriana Class battleship spanning 24Km in length. With extended boarding facilities and fewer long range weapons in favour of greater short range firepower, the Lupa Sanguis is a vessel that has, over the years, been optimized for delivering astartes into boarding actions. However, the ship is not purely a combat vessel, it is also a symbol of the legion's pride and history. Indeed, it's largest loading bay is called the Hall of Heroes and contains dozens of statue's of the III legion's greatest heroes, heroes who have long since fallen in battle to the blades of a dozen foes and in between the statue's are etched the names of every Crimson Lion and Blood Wolf ever felled in battle. While their bodies have long since been transferred to the Chamber of the Fallen in the Lion's Keep on Mycenae, their statue's remain, a potent reminder of the legions past to remind the legionairies of it each time they board their stormbirds.

 

Aista class battle barges

While the Lupa Sanguis is the orbital headquarters of the legion, the Aista class battle barges are the headquarters of each of the Clans, meaning the Crimson Lions posseses 12, one for each Clan except for Clan Mycenor. Twice the size of a normal battle barge, every Aista class vessel is a precious asset and one not deployed lightly. If an aista class shows up in a star system, then it is a sign that the campaign is of particular importance. Just like the Lupa Sanguis, every aista class is optimized for boarding actions and short range engagements.

 

I shan't bore you with the rest of the details, but basically the rest of the Crimson Lions fleet is pretty normal although it has a heavier emphasis on battle barges and most ships are optimized for close to medium range engagements.

[bluntblade]

This might be a little late, and it pains me to say it as a big Saul Tarvitz fan, but I can't really picture any Astartes from Chemos in this 'verse. Aside from Cthonia, every foundling world was greatly changed by their Primarch. Without the changes Fulgrim made, Saul, Lucius, Solomon et AL couldn't really have been born, nor would Chemos be a recruitment world.

 

Also, having gone over a bit about Alex negotiating with the Interex, I think we ought to discuss the ramifications of that some more. Given the Interex's understanding of Chaos and stance on xenos, what role will they play come the Insurrection?

Edited March 2, 2016 by bluntblade

[Sigismund229]

I memory serves, Chemos was a world on which the inhabitants had quite hard lives even before fulgrim came which would seem to make them actually quite good recruits for the legions.

Also, in regards to the interex, it's possible that the diplomatuc deal struck with them allowed them some degree of sovereignty so they'd pribably provide troops to fight alongside the Imperial Army and Legions against Icarion. I don't think we'd need to go into any more detail than that as if we name what happened to every assimilated empire then it would just clutter it and draw attention away from the legions(although we may be able to do a supplemebt on the most important and common IA units of he Insurrection, Arpine Auxilia, Interzx Battalions etc.)

[Nomus Sardauk]

@Bluntblade: Not necessarily, as Sigismund229 said (both Templar and a ninja it seems) the main problem facing Chemos's people by the time of Fulgrim's arrival was the pollution of their world forcing them to live in cramped, underground factory-cities full of ancient, poorly-understood machinery that was constantly breaking down and barely produced enough food and resources for the populace. In the canon Fulgrim studied these machines, learned how they worked, then built newer, more efficient machines that were incredibly reliable, simple to use and produced far greater yields than their predecessors, then he united the cities under his leadership to terraform and rebuild Chemos's ecosystem, turning it from a barren, polluted wasteland into a lush green paradise, a glittering jewel of civilization. Imperial technology could do the same, if not as quickly or as well, but Chemos would still be a helluva lot better than it was, or they could choose the Renegade option and leave the planet barren while still recruiting from it.

[MikhalLeNoir]

As tempting it is, that we use canonverse characters, we should look to not overdo it or even give them big screen time. in my opinion it doesn#t have a good impact on our broverse if we have Khârn, loken, abaddon etc. it is somewhat cool, that we can see how for example abbaddon shows his heroic deeds or garro functions as a lion, or all traitors are now loyalists and vice versa, but didn#t we then always compare them to their counterparts? isn#t it more interesting to establish completly new characters?

Same goes for the ships. I second Demus in here, that the Wardens don#t use any ships from canonverse here and I for my part will not use any canonverse characters except Khârn who cleans the shipyards as janitor.

[Sigismund229]

I agree with Mikhal and Demus. Why not use this opportunity to create a host of new characters? I mean Khârn wasn't all that important till the Kbights Errant showed up and Garro isn't massively important in the Crimson Lions(he's either a Rix or a sergeant I have't decided which yet).

[bluntblade]

Argh, don't take Khârn away from me now. Though frankly he will only have a minor role in the Insurrection if he survives that long under Raktra.

 

As for Abaddon... his path ends in a nice big crater, full of mangled Titans.

[MikhalLeNoir]

Yap, a fun use as some minor character is imho a headnod but nothing more. but if we construct entire stories around them, that is a bad sign. a sign, that we are not able to craft our own characters and isn't that the reason we are here? create our own stories, characters, remove the limits GW has cast upon us?

 

The sky ain't the llimit. To eternity and further!!!

[Nomus Sardauk]

I agree we shouldn't make them big players, as cool as they may be this universe is for your original characters to take the stage, to shape it with word, bolt and blade, I had only supported including a few canon individuals as a nod to them and the canon, tiny islands of familiarity in a sea of DIY if you will, especially if they were as awesome as Ezekyle Abaddon the Halycon Warden.

[Sigismund229]

Or Nathaniel Garro, Lord of the bucket and mop ;)

[Skalpynock]

I will agree with Mikhal here. Abaddon as a Halcyon Warden dread is fine, as is Garro as a minor officer in the Third (Albian astartes remain Albian astartes, after all). But Khârn as a Knight-Errant I have problems with. We need heroes of our own. Does that really good KE story lose in quality if we change the name 'Khârn" for "Mornn"? I don't think so. I am probably coming out as harsh here, but such is the main problem of mobile communication.

 

On a more positive point, the subjugation of the Inwit Empire, whether by sword or by word, would make for an interesting read.

[bluntblade]

You know, I could really go for the Inwit thing. Raktra, grab a warm coat.

 

And we could always change it so that Khârn is simply beaten to death by his Primarch. The point makes more sense when you tie it to the Knights Errant.

Edited March 2, 2016 by bluntblade

[Nomus Sardauk]

The irony of the Imperials facing down a fully-armed and operational Phanlanx in an epic space battle over Inwit does please me greatly, although sadly the Inwit do strike me as the sort of sensible types that would see the value of joining the Imperium rather than wastefully die in pointless resistance, a few houses might resist, but they probably wouldn't last long or have much support. I imagine Inwit would become a Legion recruitment world as it was in the canon, an ice world breeds hardy recruits.

[Skalpynock]

I imagine Inwit would become a Legion recruitment world as it was in the canon, an ice world breeds hardy recruits.

 

Being a civilisation with already extensive void-faring capabilities, I'd be more inclined to have it as a Solar Auxilia recruitment/training world.

[Nomus Sardauk]

Or that, either way it's a useful source of warm bodies to throw at the rest of the Galaxy.

[Sigismund229]

Got the idea for this story and just wrote it so I'm sorry if it doesn't match pre existing fluff

Captain Frydrich of the V legion looked out over the vast wasteland that was Chemos. Even on Terra as the unification wars had been drawing to a close, there had been a few spots of natural beauty left on the world, a few patches of the Eden Terra had once been. Not so on this benighted world. From the moment of its colonization, Chemos had been given over to heavy duty industrial mining, extracting any resource possible from the crust of this world. The left over's of this process, heaps of industrial slag and mine shafts left open to the air, could still be seen everywhere one went on the world, an ugly reminder of mankind's past and the darkness that had followed. Now all that was left of the world's populace hid inside their shattered and crumbling fortress cities, slowly starving to death as their machine's began to break down one by one. However, all that had changed when the Emperor had arrived, accompanied by the entire armour clad might of the V legion. While they could have crushed the world's pitiful defences in a day, no in an hour, the Emperor had sought to negotiate instead. If the people of Chemos agreed to join his new born Imperium peacefully, submitting themselves to his rule, then he would arrange for food to be shipped to them from agri-worlds and for the Mechanicus to aid them in repairing their increasingly malfunctioning machines and their crumbling fortresses. On any normal world, that would have been the end of the astartes' involvement. However, Legion Master Irvin Ruel had been impressed that any human could survive in such conditions and had commanded that a small contingent of his legion stay and recruits some of the inhabitants of Chemos into the V. So Captain Frydrich and his company had stayed, overseeing the process and he had been pleasantly surprised to find that Chemos seemed to have a higher than average number of boys suitable for recruitment. However, now Captain Frydrich saw two fresh inductee's wearing the heraldry of the V legion running across the wastes of their home. "You two" he said, his helmet amplifying the sound to be nearer a shout. Immediately the two shame faced recruits turned to face him. "What are you doing away from the apothacerion?" he asked bluntly. One of the two glanced at his companion, who was shuffling about and looking at his feet, before replying "Getting one last look at Chemos sir. We're probably not coming back". Nodding, Frydrich said "And now you've seen it. You'll remember it for the rest of your days, trust me" and you'll wish you didn't he thought but chose not to add. "Now get back to the apothacerion. We'll speak of discipline when we're in orbit". Then, as the two began marching back in the direction they came, Frydrich asked the one who had spoken first "What's your name?". The young boy, once he got over the shock of one of these giants asking such a personal question, said "Saul Tarvitz sir". Nodding, Frydrich turned to his shamefaced companion and asked "And yours?" to the which the boy replied "Lucius sir" his voice barely rising above a whisper. Nodding, an indication that they should keep walking, Frydrich turned away from the two boys to observe the Mechanicus getting to work and thought If only our memories allowed us to forget as well....