bluntblade Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 (edited) Just as soon as I have a grown-up job (in a year or two), I'm commissioning a few little pieces. I'd love to see Honour Brothers (Nibaasiniiwi and Odyssalas carving the half-aquila marks in a conquered Laer city) painted. Edited May 21, 2016 by bluntblade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted May 24, 2016 Author Share Posted May 24, 2016 With Koschei's situation straightened out, there's a specific detail I wanted to deal with that affects the whole universe. Genes, specifically Pariah and Psyker genes. To me, it smells of the midi-chlorian debacle and should be tossed ASAP. As I mentioned before, it's my intent that Jade never cracks the Pariah mystery because it's not attached to biology but to the spirit. More importantly, the human species is destined to become a fully fledged Psyker species like the Eldar and the Ork. Pariahs represent regression of that process. It's why, despite the intervention of the Emperor, they are destined to shrink in numbers as humanity reaches the End Times, paving the way for the situation to deteriorate as Chaos sees more and more opportunities to corrupt and whittle away at humanity's defenses as the species reaches its most vulnerable point. Giving Jade the ability to create Pariahs through gene-therapy ruins that theme. Big Bad Squig 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 (edited) Well the reason the orks amd eldar are warp sentient is necause they were created that way from the old ones. Altering the whole gene thing which was there since edition 1 and which was not a midi clorian excuse would mean change the whole background. So pariah and psykers are some kind of magic. That you can explain the whole thing on a scientific base is in my opinion a strong point of the backgroumd. The difference between midi chlorians and the genetic evolution in 40k is that lucas came up with the midiclorians to explain a mystic force which he felt had to be explained. In 40 k the genetic evolution and crsfting was a integral part from the beginning. Humans became osykers cause they mutated and vice versa. There was no reason to come up with a "explanation" for a mystic force cause they already had one. Fun thing is, black liberary did a little bit the opposite. When they implenented the bargain of the emperor with the dark gods and their powers involved in the primarch creation process, they mystified their former scientific/ technological approach. If you fear that jade s ability to "heal" pariahness would destroy the theme you have in mind, then simply don't let him. His Ultimate goal is to heal or create pariajs but he always fails. Why? Leave it in mystery. And din't forget the rune priests. They say that their powers comes from fenrisian gods. So if you wamt to dive into shamanism and have the spirit as answer, so why not? But maybe others have a more scientific appriach. Which is in the end true leave it to mystery. The thing is heavily affecting the wardens as well. Cuz they even differ betweem active and inactive genes. And it needs lots of pain to activate an inactive gene. But it gives you more power than the easy way. Changing the whole setting would mean changing the whole backstory of a legion for really no advantage. I would follow what thorn said. Leave it unclear. Give more ways ti.solve the riddle but no definite answer. Edited May 24, 2016 by MikhalLeNoir Kelborn and Doctor Perils 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Yeah, we aren't the ones instituting psykers coming from evolution and pariahs from genes. That's been in the fluff for a very long time. However, I also agree with Simison in that neither Jade nor anyone else (including simili-Bile) should crack the answer to these genes. Kelborn and MikhalLeNoir 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Let's say that while pariah genes are a thing, there's an aspect that goes beyond genetics, which the Jade General can't grasp. Doctor Perils 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Considering it took the space-bending science of the Necrons to create and place the Pariah Gene in humanity in the first place, and even then they could only get it to manifest at it's current abysmal rate, it shouldn't be surprising Jade never manages to unlock it's secrets. Doctor Perils 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted May 26, 2016 Author Share Posted May 26, 2016 Considering it took the space-bending science of the Necrons to create and place the Pariah Gene in humanity in the first place, and even then they could only get it to manifest at it's current abysmal rate, it shouldn't be surprising Jade never manages to unlock it's secrets. I accept this argument and retract my proposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted May 27, 2016 Author Share Posted May 27, 2016 (edited) So, before I go to bed, I had a silly question. Does anyone have a theme song or a song that they attribute to their Primarch? When I first started writing the Halcyon Wardens and Alex as a Lost Legion, I listened to Centuries by Fallout Boy. It was supposed to be kind of ironic given they become lost (though, spoiler alert, Alex and Wardens survive in secret to 40k), but here it's more fitting given his Warmaster status. For Jade, it would either be something fitting of a Chinese epic or a Dynasty Warriors theme song. Edited May 27, 2016 by simison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 (edited) I personally default to this for the Scions: Edited May 27, 2016 by Slipstreams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 I've carried over my essay-writing strategy of writing to music that's largely instrumental or features vocals that are impossible to decipher. So this might get a little pretentious. I was thinking this for the Scions: I've used the Fury Road OST heavily in my Shepherds writing so far, but I've also used this a fair bit: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=znjLSW8kfBM And if Lotara survives the Insurrection, her bowing-out speech will tweak the "I don't want to face the void" line. And this pretty much inspired me to suggest Legio Gojira: https://cheapbeatsmusic.bandcamp.com/track/dust-settles-titan-stands There's also a song called :cussstorm by Strapping Young Lad that, if you overlook a line about not wanting to fight, might be the song in Raktra Akarro's head. Slips 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 I have three. For the Iron Bears as a whole I always hear "When the Levee breaks" Bonham's kick on that always sounded like huge artillery pieces the second for the legion would be "A Wolf Amongst Ravens" by After the Burial But for Daer'dd's song it'd have to be "Mars, Bringer of War" by Holst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 (edited) I'm surprised one of you Heroic Legions hasn't thought of this one: Edited May 27, 2016 by Slipstreams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 (edited) Well, I could post a couple of songs. But most of the time while working on my Knight Households, I'm listening to either Celldweller - End of an Empire (album) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTgZbTMBRpE&list=PLmJWByHj5HWvP7a-MyW_w57kS5fa3zUw (for general writing) or Warlords of Draenor Soundtrack - A Siege of Worlds for House Valcorian http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ab4B0_xw4o&list=PLqCHJ3vtnzhasaYGCy912uOyCG1Kex4a3 (for imagine them fighting against Orks, Chaos or my DIY faction, the Gorians (remember the ogre theme I once had in mind? )) Mists of Pandaria Soundtrack - Monk Mistwalker for House Toho https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9VVCdDq03w (though Toho is samurai / Japanese and MoP Chinese themed, the Asian flair fits nevertheless) Edited May 27, 2016 by Kelborn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 For me, I listen to lot's of different ones. Halcyon Wardens(Pyrrhicles&co. in my case) Amon Amarth: Free Will Sacrifice- Man o war: Die with honor- Iron Bears Judas Priest: One shot at glory- Grave Stalkers Deathstars: Death is wasted on the dead- Lordi: Blood Red Sandman- Crimson Lions Amon Amarth: The Hero- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM9QhvbTOMU&feature=youtube_gdata_player Amon Amarth: Valhall Awaits me- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EkXCcMh5f0&feature=youtube_gdata_player Hectarion Amon Amarth: Any Anything in the void Amon Amarth: Embrace of the Endless Ocean- Amon Amarth: Under the north star- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 For the canon wardens of light https://youtu.be/I0SsAYEeSj4 Perfect music to create the mood for their destruction. For the broverse: https://youtu.be/zbFdeYISybY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 How the heck do you guys embed video like that...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalpynock Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 (edited) Void Eagles in general : Alestorm: 1741 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZzONnhxrWk The Morning Stars and the Sons of Nothingness: (Mashyan being based on the commander of the fleet this song is about) Note for later: Gate 42-style battle needed for the Morningstars. For the Warbringers, I almost exclusively listen to Pavel Plamenev's Cannon Fodder, mostly because of the video, which exemplifies the Legion's ways of waging war (note: I need bardiches as a legion-specific weapon). Edited May 27, 2016 by Skalpynock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 How the heck do you guys embed video like that...? :huh: Just paste a YouTube link. It only works for the first one, mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 It's probably bad that this was my first thought for K'awil : https://youtu.be/yoDTZuDk5pU Ok. So I'm not entirely serious here, but the lyrics seem to fit well enough at least. And apparently I don't listen to enough 'dark' music... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 (edited) Huh, it's never done that for me before... Okay, anyway, I figure this one fits the Crimson Lions well, or at least their Blood Wolf predessesors: This one just screams Berzerkers of Uran, the name alone is soooo Raktra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6BbvCC0VI0 I feel this one fits Gwalchavad and the Wardens: Hectarion VS Raktra?: The Siege of Terra: The Final Battle between Icarion, Alexandros & the Emperor?: And you all know this was coming, Legio Gojira: Edited May 27, 2016 by SanguiniusReborn MikhalLeNoir 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 You know, I've heard excellent things about the DOOM soundtrack. As for Ka'wil... I'm thinking some of Tomahawk's eerier stuff. Say: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eYHAzclqArc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 (note: I need bardiches as a legion-specific weapon). Yes. Sorry, I'll reiterate... HECK YES !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 (Googles) Oh, hello... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 (edited) (note: I need bardiches as a legion-specific weapon). Edited May 27, 2016 by SanguiniusReborn Kelborn and Doctor Perils 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 (edited) If anyone writes BB-8 being put down as Abominable Intelligence, we can't be friends. Did we resolve the armour marks question in the end? I'm thinking Mk IV and Terminator could just be more widespread with more variants among Legions, and maybe MKs V (not a stopgap in this 'verse) and VI existing in small numbers. Edited May 27, 2016 by bluntblade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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