Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I really like the SoH upgrade helmets on the left in that picture, but I will give you the other ones could be better. As for the Ultra Invictarii, they look absolutely terrible. http://i.imgur.com/xpuaaLK.png The sculpting on the feathered decorations looks like something a hobbyist would do for a conversion and not something a professional would turn in. The Praetorian set is a little bit better, but the chests look like Iron Hands rejects that had an Ultra icon slapped on it, and the heads, again, look like something a hobbyist would do - the lines look uneven and asymmetrical, and the bare head looks like an angry Cabbage Patch doll. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/2/#findComment-4139962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Facehugger helms. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/2/#findComment-4139966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I really like the SoH upgrade helmets on the left in that picture, but I will give you the other ones could be better. As for the Ultra Invictarii, they look absolutely terrible. The sculpting on the feathered decorations love oks like something a hobbyist would do for a conversion and not something a professional would turn in. The Praetorian set is a little bit better, but the chests look like Iron Hands rejects that had an Ultra icon slapped on it, and the heads, again, look like something a hobbyist would do - the lines look uneven and asymmetrical, and the bare head looks like an angry Cabbage Patch doll. At first I hated the invictarii but after seeing one painted they do look really good. There is one up on battle bunnies (on my phone can't post them) As for the praetor chests looking like iron hands, that does make sense. I mean guilliman created the fuhlementrus termies by improving upon the iron hands Termies so it's very possible he improved upon standard armor too. The praetor helms are lovely And the invictarii chests are ace Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/2/#findComment-4139973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBA Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I really like the SoH upgrade helmets on the left in that picture, but I will give you the other ones could be better. As for the Ultra Invictarii, they look absolutely terrible. http://i.imgur.com/xpuaaLK.png The sculpting on the feathered decorations looks like something a hobbyist would do for a conversion and not something a professional would turn in. The Praetorian set is a little bit better, but the chests look like Iron Hands rejects that had an Ultra icon slapped on it, and the heads, again, look like something a hobbyist would do - the lines look uneven and asymmetrical, and the bare head looks like an angry Cabbage Patch doll. Lets not forget these: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/DefaultFW/large/deathguardheads.jpg Most of the legion specific head sets feel like knock-off studio sculpted their design Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/2/#findComment-4139984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I actually like those DG helmets. The one in the middle on the bottom row is awful, but the rest are fine imho. They're inspired by previous Heresy art. http://i.imgur.com/ikhxZfr.png Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/2/#findComment-4139990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I actually like those DG helmets. The one in the middle on the bottom row is awful, but the rest are fine imho. They're inspired by previous Heresy art. http://i.imgur.com/ikhxZfr.png As was the praetor...well the helms at least. But yes those death guard helms are nice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/2/#findComment-4139991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I have the book and have seen the Praetor helms in it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/2/#findComment-4139997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I really like the Death Guard helms, and that's not just me being biased. The Iron Warrior helms are garbage, the Iron Hands... well, anything is ace. Alpha Legion are really nice, Emperor's Children suck, Night Lords helms are nice but torsos are crap, Raven Guard are half-arsed, Salamanders are pretty good, World Eaters are really nice, as are Imperial Fists. Word Bearers are kinda half hearted, White Scars are great, and Ultramarines are hit or miss (mainly miss). Sons of Horus are really nice, I think most of it is the angle in which the photos were taken. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/2/#findComment-4139998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I think a lot of the upgrades look a lot better painted. Really wish FW would put painted pics up for all of them. But we're getting way off topic. So to OP...yea go Luna wolves Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/2/#findComment-4140004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Agreed. They make Luna Wolves transfers and brass icons. You can still use the kits, but I'd sprinkle the Sons of Horus stuff out a bit... they'd wear more generic armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/2/#findComment-4140009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Agreed. They make Luna Wolves transfers and brass icons. You can still use the kits, but I'd sprinkle the Sons of Horus stuff out a bit... they'd wear more generic armour.do you know if the Luna wolves used reavers? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/2/#findComment-4140012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I believe so, yes. Wasn't Hastur Sejanus the leader of the Catulan Reavers when the Legion was still under the moniker "Luna Wolves"? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/2/#findComment-4140024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Agreed. They make Luna Wolves transfers and brass icons. You can still use the kits, but I'd sprinkle the Sons of Horus stuff out a bit... they'd wear more generic armour.do you know if the Luna wolves used reavers? They did (Catulan Reavers). The Reavers were an evolution of Despoiler/Assault squads as the Legion became more and more Cthonic-influenced, it stands to reason for there to have been a number of these formations in the Luna Wolves but it was when they became the Sons of Horus & over the heresy that the Reavers became far more common. @DuskRaider, it wasn't Hastur Sejanus, it was Kalus Ekaddon. On topic, I dislike the Ultramarine model range so I'd go with Sons of Horus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/2/#findComment-4140025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Ok so maybe with a bit of converting the SoH reavers could make for some good Luna wolves reavers. Justarian are obviously a must and from the cover of false gods, perhaps the world earer helms could give some flavour to standard troops Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/2/#findComment-4140032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 The only thing I can say is, if you do play Luna Wolves, Mk. IV is pretty much out of the question. I don't think it was in production prior to Ullanor, so you're looking at mostly Mk. II & Mk. III. Although, it's your army so yeah, do what you want. http://wargamemini.com/index.php/luna-wolves-legion-sqaud-x-5.html# Interesting... the site seems to be largely recasts, which... ehhh... but this is sorta interesting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/2/#findComment-4140074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I would personally go SoH. I prefer the models and the background. I've always seen them as a late Roman army, where the influence of the 'barbarians' changed the Legions style. Not really up on the rules so much though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/2/#findComment-4140104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Luna Wolves are not as iconic or attractive as the later SoH, imo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/2/#findComment-4140122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Each legion can be as personalised as you like. A quick flick through Collected Visions shows that the Luna Wolves had variations on armour. They also would have made heavy use of the standard imperial designs, so plumes, ptegues, laurals, and, as Cthonia was found early, used the eye of Horus, and serpant insignia. I don't think people should get pigion holed into a certain look for each legion. This isnt 40k chapters of 1000 marines. The smallest legion had aprox 70,000 men, recruited from different cultures on Terra, the primarchs planet or system, and from the galaxy at large. They would use insignia, armour styles, and weapons that may differ from a brother marine recruited from somewhere else. I mean the Praetor helm is iconic to the Ultramarines, but there are pics of Raven Guard wearing them in CV, the Blopd Angles have similar looking helms, so do the Thousand Sons on some pics. I'm planing to do Death Guard using their kit, Iron Hands torsos and helms, Iron Warrior helms, Alpha Legion helms, I could go on. Don't read Ultramairne upgrade as the be all and end off of kits for that legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/2/#findComment-4140158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I'd actually like to know what the OP wants out of a Legion Army. Saying "I want Dreads and a Spartan" is pretty broad and sweeping and doesnt really help pin down any specific thing he would be looking for in an Army since the vast majority of the 30k Armies I see has one or both. More info on what he would like to play would be nice. Infantry Heavy? Tank Heavy? AirCav? Drop Pod? Foot Sloggers? Mech Infantry? Angels Wrath (JP, Jetbikes, etc)? Gotta be a bit more specific to see which would correspond more to your taste. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/2/#findComment-4140166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Well Spural said he typically uses foot sloggers.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/2/#findComment-4140172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Well Spural said he typically uses foot sloggers.... Well, that usually means using multiple Tac Squads to fill out troops which immediately favors the choice of Ultramarines mainly due to Interlocking Tactics. Tac Blobs, imo, dont really fit with the SoH if you're trying to make the most out of their bonuses. It can work, as with every legion but, you wont be getting the most out of them. Also, by Footslogging does he mean: Infantry > Tanks/Aircraft for support units? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/2/#findComment-4140178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Well I don't know that :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/2/#findComment-4140189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Well I don't know that Its why I'm asking the OP to be a bit more specific; its not like you could read minds! Mortarion would've killed you by now if you could! (you are doing DG now, Right :p) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/2/#findComment-4140192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Luna Wolves would be my choice - nice middle ground between Ultramarines and Sons of Horus. But if I only had to pick those two I would go with Sons of Horus (shock horror!) just for the unique units as I love the look of the Reavers and Justaerin. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/2/#findComment-4140202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Haha maybe not. I could be repressing it like Tyhpon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/2/#findComment-4140207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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