Slips Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Haha maybe not. I could be repressing it like Tyhpon. Shh! Don't let Papa Morty hear you! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/3/#findComment-4140234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I'm a fan of the LW, almost tempted to make some myself. I'd probably still use Mk4 though for some things (especially that plastic kit on the way). On the upgrade kits, ultra ones are cool, but the nonfacehugger ones are the best. I want to love the DG ones but they look so silly. Maybe I need to see them painted on models... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/3/#findComment-4140238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Dog Studios Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I'd go with ultramarines. Interlocking tactics is good for tactical blobs of footsloggers, and OP says he wants dreads too which are perfect for Interlocking Tactics in my opinion. A couple of Deredeos would be nice . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/3/#findComment-4140244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendingon1+ Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 At first I hated the invictarii but after seeing one painted they do look really good. There is one up on battle bunnies (on my phone can't post them) As for the praetor chests looking like iron hands, that does make sense. I mean guilliman created the fuhlementrus termies by improving upon the iron hands Termies so it's very possible he improved upon standard armor too. The praetor helms are lovely And the invictarii chests are ace Not true. Fulmentarus termintors are guilliman's "improvement" of Tyrant Termintors - and these are Iron Warriors not Iron Hands. So your Iron Hands "armor improvement" is invalid. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/3/#findComment-4140255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 At first I hated the invictarii but after seeing one painted they do look really good. There is one up on battle bunnies (on my phone can't post them) As for the praetor chests looking like iron hands, that does make sense. I mean guilliman created the fuhlementrus termies by improving upon the iron hands Termies so it's very possible he improved upon standard armor too. The praetor helms are lovely And the invictarii chests are ace Not true. Fulmentarus termintors are guilliman's "improvement" of Tyrant Termintors - and these are Iron Warriors not Iron Hands. So your Iron Hands "armor improvement" is invalid.I could have sworn it was iron hands but regardless it still shows guilliman improves upon what his brothers do. Hell he worked very closely with ferus on the sicarian. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/3/#findComment-4140271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherCaptainArkhan Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Guys, sheesh. Newsflash: people have different aesthetic tastes. Big deal! To the original poster: there's something awesome and something off-putting about every Legion. Asking B&C which Legion to choose is like spinning a thousand roulette wheels, you're probably not going to get much consensus (probability theorists: I know that's not necessarily true ;) ) I personally really like both the Sons of Horus and the Ultramarines, but chose Ultramarines because I like the Roman aesthetic and have been wanting to base a project off a real-world Legion (II Augusta) for some time. But they're oversaturated (especially in 40k) and suffer from one of the most aggravating fanbases in the entire hobby (possibly after the Space Wolves). And their colour scheme can be really hit or miss - the cartoony style promoted by GW is something the vast majority of hobbyists, including myself, despise. Go with the Legion you can see yourself collecting for the long-term and enjoying games with, both victories and defeats. Don't choose Ultramarines because they have stronger rules than the Sons of Horus - they're not the most competitive Legion either and because they're soon to be very prevalent amongst hobbyists, a lot of 30k players will be well accustomed to their play style. Sons of Horus? Less so. I'm not saying play Sons of Horus, nor am I saying play Ultramarines, but just be aware that sometimes it's more rewarding to do your own thing with your own army despite what popular wisdom/opinion says to do. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/3/#findComment-4140298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viridia Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 As an IF player who's been contemplating starting a second Legion army (when he's barely started his first!), I'm going to suggest Luna Wolves. They look awesome, you can still use a lot of the Sons of Horus parts on them, and did I mention that Luna Wolves are awesome? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/3/#findComment-4140303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 But they're oversaturated (especially in 40k) and suffer from one of the most aggravating fanbases in the entire hobby (possibly after the Space Wolves). Yup. Matt Ward He Who Shall Not Be Named certainly didn't help their case any. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/3/#findComment-4140305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Where are Ultramarines over-saturated? Other chapters/legions are used more often Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/3/#findComment-4140307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherCaptainArkhan Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Where are Ultramarines over-saturated? Other chapters/legions are used more often You cannot be serious. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/3/#findComment-4140349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Where are Ultramarines over-saturated? Other chapters/legions are used more often You cannot be serious. Maybe in Ishagu's area they are not, and the only ones he sees are the box's of kits. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/3/#findComment-4140352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Where are Ultramarines over-saturated? Other chapters/legions are used more often You cannot be serious.Maybe in Ishagu's area they are not, and the only ones he sees are the box's of kits.This. Also, in battle reports across the biggest channels they are rare. Long War, Frontline Gaming, MWG etc... You rarely see Ultramarines. Space Wolves, White Scars, Dark Angels... All much more numerous. Go take a look at how small the Ultramarines section of this forum is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/3/#findComment-4140386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Can we please not de rail this thread into why people hate ultramarines or why the ultramarines fans suck? Either create a new thread or move along Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/3/#findComment-4140438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendingon1+ Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Can we please not de rail this thread into why people hate ultramarines or why the ultramarines fans suck? ...or why ultramarines are so awesome... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/3/#findComment-4140448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Can we please not de rail this thread into why people hate ultramarines or why the ultramarines fans suck? ...or why ultramarines are so awesome^_^... I told the guy to play Luna wolves yo, all my idea Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/3/#findComment-4140462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 My only issue with Luna Wolves/SoH is that you have to build a list with their Primarch in mind, and all the various army buffs he provides. He can truly make the force unique with all his deployment options, rules and abilities. Not taking him leaves you with little to work with as other Legions do everything else better. Imperial Fists and Ultras are better at shooting, World Eaters are better in assault, Iron Hands are more survivable and so on. Other Legions who might not have great rules have at least unique units to work with that are worthwhile. The other real downside to the SoH is that their exclusive units are overpriced and underwhelming. Most SoH lists I see being made, with the exception of those focusing on reavers, aren't particularly unique to the SoH and could be run better by other Legions... Now don't get me wrong, I really like the Legion. You should see some of the lovely models I've had commissioned :-D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/3/#findComment-4140474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiral Posted August 7, 2015 Author Share Posted August 7, 2015 So to OP...yea go Luna wolves I've already got a big pile of Deathwing on the go, and the problem with the Luna Wolves (and my first choice of Deathguard) is that it will end up looking very similair on the table. I know the bits, and trim and such will come out different, but I really wanted something that popped...something to break up all of that bone armour. I'd actually like to know what the OP wants out of a Legion Army. Saying "I want Dreads and a Spartan" is pretty broad and sweeping and doesnt really help pin down any specific thing he would be looking for in an Army since the vast majority of the 30k Armies I see has one or both. More info on what he would like to play would be nice. Infantry Heavy? Tank Heavy? AirCav? Drop Pod? Foot Sloggers? Mech Infantry? Angels Wrath (JP, Jetbikes, etc)? Gotta be a bit more specific to see which would correspond more to your taste. I like armies on the smaller side, I'm not a huge fan of mehcnanized forces (but I do love deep-striking). When I ran a DA Battle Company I usually centered my forces around teams with heavy weapons and then screened them with a couple assault forces. I usually like to bring firepower to bear on a target, eliminate it and then mop up with an assault unit. I'm a fan of the LW, almost tempted to make some myself. I'd probably still use Mk4 though for some things (especially that plastic kit on the way). I just wanted to chime in with the fact that the LW definitely had MK4. Loken talks about it a TON in Horus Rising. Go with the Legion you can see yourself collecting for the long-term and enjoying games with, both victories and defeats. Don't choose Ultramarines because they have stronger rules than the Sons of Horus - they're not the most competitive Legion either and because they're soon to be very prevalent amongst hobbyists, a lot of 30k players will be well accustomed to their play style. To be honest, I could also see myself happily collecting Deathguard, Iron Warriors or Emperor's Children as well. If there were upgrade packs and rules for Thousand Sons it would be a lock there, but my heart is fickle when it comes to 30K. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/3/#findComment-4140565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Well Thousand Sons are rumoured to be getting their upgrade, at the least previewed, in the next few months. Just throwing a little spanner in the works. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/3/#findComment-4140611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Armies on the smaller side....hmmm. That pretty much means super-elite in 30k since its either that or "Go Big" due to average unit sizes :p Heavy Firepower with mop-up also feels like both Legoins could accomplish the task: You can Couple the Ultramarine Fulmentarus Terminators with Locutarus Assault Squads (I'd say Suzerians but if you aren't a fan of slapping 2+ Land Raiders on the board, you kinda have to discount them) and screen both with 2+ ~10 Man Tac Squads for interlocking Tactics Bonuses. Also, how do you feel about massed Terminators? 'Cuz Iron Warriors can do some pretty ridiculous things with Perturabo and Pride of The Legion.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/3/#findComment-4140655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Technically with Iron Warriors you don't even need to take the Pride of the Legion Rite to take Terminators as Troops, just take Golg as your HQ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/3/#findComment-4140662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokkorex Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Footsloggers sound like ultramarines to me, their rite of war would fit like glove, methinks. Also, imagine rank upon rank of astartes in rich blue and glittering gold, among them their dreadnought ancients, standing ready to protect mankind from whatever xeno-scum that would inflict harm upon. That said, both legions offers room for making an exceptional and personal armies. Both legions are large. With sons of horus you are rewarded when fielding many infantry in assault, so full squads in transports or assault and reaver squads could be your thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/3/#findComment-4140678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I think Sons of Horus with Malgohurst as your HQ to utilize Reavers as Troops using the Rite that allows you to take Storm Eagles as Dedicated Transports would be vicious. Take some Terminators in Caestus Rams or Kharibdys Pods, support with Jetbikes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/3/#findComment-4140686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 So to OP...yea go Luna wolves I've already got a big pile of Deathwing on the go, and the problem with the Luna Wolves (and my first choice of Deathguard) is that it will end up looking very similair on the table. I know the bits, and trim and such will come out different, but I really wanted something that popped...something to break up all of that bone armour. I'd actually like to know what the OP wants out of a Legion Army. Saying "I want Dreads and a Spartan" is pretty broad and sweeping and doesnt really help pin down any specific thing he would be looking for in an Army since the vast majority of the 30k Armies I see has one or both. More info on what he would like to play would be nice. Infantry Heavy? Tank Heavy? AirCav? Drop Pod? Foot Sloggers? Mech Infantry? Angels Wrath (JP, Jetbikes, etc)? Gotta be a bit more specific to see which would correspond more to your taste. I like armies on the smaller side, I'm not a huge fan of mehcnanized forces (but I do love deep-striking). When I ran a DA Battle Company I usually centered my forces around teams with heavy weapons and then screened them with a couple assault forces. I usually like to bring firepower to bear on a target, eliminate it and then mop up with an assault unit. I'm a fan of the LW, almost tempted to make some myself. I'd probably still use Mk4 though for some things (especially that plastic kit on the way). I just wanted to chime in with the fact that the LW definitely had MK4. Loken talks about it a TON in Horus Rising. Go with the Legion you can see yourself collecting for the long-term and enjoying games with, both victories and defeats. Don't choose Ultramarines because they have stronger rules than the Sons of Horus - they're not the most competitive Legion either and because they're soon to be very prevalent amongst hobbyists, a lot of 30k players will be well accustomed to their play style. To be honest, I could also see myself happily collecting Deathguard, Iron Warriors or Emperor's Children as well. If there were upgrade packs and rules for Thousand Sons it would be a lock there, but my heart is fickle when it comes to 30K. fair point. If your tired of white luna wolves arnt the best choice. Id say go for sons of horus if you want a real pop in color. Of course make them the loyal sons of horus :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312035-ultramarines-or-sons-of-horus/page/3/#findComment-4140695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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