Primarch Power Levels

[Remus Ventanus.]

 

 

 

 

 

Why hasn't anyone mentioned how rediculously resilient Bobby G is in the game? Re rolling a 4++ each game turn plus he and his unit ignores concussive? That's pretty damn powerful if you ask me, also considering you have a unit of rules superior honor guard with AP2 at initiative.

The Reroll is once per game. I can't believe people are still trying to push that it clearly spells out that it's once per game in his rules.

It's one per phase, every turn. Shooting, Assault, psychic and movement. Very clear in the rules.

The rule clearly states it's the 1st failed save in particular phase of the game. Not the turn, the game. It's very clearly spelled out in the last line. It would only be reroll per turn if it specifically said turn, but it does not it says game.

 

 

I already answered you and debunked your theory with the exact line from Tempest, but it seems like you skipped over it. Once again:

 

"in addition, the first invulnerable save failed by Roboute Guilliman in each particular phase of the game may be re-rolled."

 

It says each phase of the game, enabling it to work every phase. There's nothing vague about it or open to interpretation

 

Then again, this isn't the first time you've completely misinterpreted a rule

 

Does that mean he gets 4 total rerolls? One reroll the first time he fails a save in the movement phase, the first time he fails one in the shooting, etc etc?

 

 

But the 10 astartes would have killed guilliman, if again, they werent utterly stupid. They had the chance to, they had a gun up to guillimans head, but hesitated. See, they did win, but again, guilliman got lucky

"Hesitated"

"Alpha Legion"

 

Doesn't that say something?

 

You've read Legion, right?

I have, but I don't recall them hesitating before a kill. Tho it has been long since I have read it. I mean you have the primarch you were set out to kill at gun point and you don't shoot immediately? Seems off to me

 

You said hesitated, not me.

 

I was referring to them hesitating in legion, which you mentioned. This is why the marine hesitating in UE makes no sense.

[Hesh Kadesh]

Frankly, you're beginning to talk gibberish now. I'm beginning to understand why people don't like conversing with you for very long.

 

I literally have the very quote chain where you've outright lied twice.

[Remus Ventanus.]

Frankly, you're beginning to talk gibberish now. I'm beginning to understand why people don't like conversing with you for very long.

 

I literally have the very quote chain where you've outright lied twice.

I cant comment on the first part, but would you tell me how i have lied? I have said that it is fairly ridiculous how the only reason guilliman surviving 3 times is due to the enemy being stupid. Could you please elaborate .

[SkimaskMohawk]

@hesh the other guy is saying you get a total of 4 rerolls throughout the game. I'm saying you get one in each particular phase of the game (each game turn having two of each for a total of 40 to 56 rerolls depending on game length)

[Charlo]

Lol, that rule is not even up for discussion. In every phase of the game, if Guilliman is forced to make an invulnerable save, and fails it, he can reroll.

 

That's it.

 

Saying he only gets one reroll for each type of phase the first time he needs it is a needlessly complicated and ridiculous rule.

 

I'm sorry but anyone who is trying to look further than that is just trying to make Guilliman look worse for personal vendettas :P

[DuskRaider]

The BL discussion has to cease. This was meant to be about on the table, not in the stories where Primarch X has power level Y because of plot line Z. /end

[SkimaskMohawk]

Yea it's basically arguing opinion at this point, no one is going to convince the other.

 

Compare this to actual analysis of rules where we can determine some sort of metric

[DuskRaider]

I just want to see all Primarchs brought up to date... I do also agree with one of the statements from the first page, there are other squads, both Legion and generic (Justaerin, Breachers, etc.) that should also have price drops or buffs to make them more viable.

[Remus Ventanus.]

Is there a way to do that without making people buy the new books?

[Marshal Loss]

Is there a way to do that without making people buy the new books?

 

That would be called an 'FAQ' lol

[Remus Ventanus.]

 

Is there a way to do that without making people buy the new books?

 

That would be called an 'FAQ' lol

 

an rightly so....Unless they decide to cut price of FW books in half ;)

[1000 Sons]

Doubt it, there is always the chance of an errata but more likely will wait for the aftermath of the battle on Terra.  When the Scouring begins the traitor legions will have some new abilities or stat tweaks from god/warp benefits.  The loyalists might get some new abilities because they all follow the Codex Astartes now and have become super awesome marines.

 

And remember this isn't a balanced competitive game we are playing, we are building a narrative, and growing a stock price.

[SkimaskMohawk]

That's blatantly false. Why bother have 3 faqs if they were just going to update post siege? Why bother addressing moritats, horus' armour and other balance issues if all were playing is a narrative game and just a stock increase.

 

FW has been very good at trying to keep.some.balance in their games and not selling out

[Prodigal Son of Magnus]

@hesh the other guy is saying you get a total of 4 rerolls throughout the game. I'm saying you get one in each particular phase of the game (each game turn having two of each for a total of 40 to 56 rerolls depending on game length)

 It seems we are at an impasse then. You have your interpretation, I have my interpretation, and there's a gray area that isn't defined. It looks like I will be emailing FW.

 

Doubt it, there is always the chance of an errata but more likely will wait for the aftermath of the battle on Terra.  When the Scouring begins the traitor legions will have some new abilities or stat tweaks from god/warp benefits.  The loyalists might get some new abilities because they all follow the Codex Astartes now and have become super awesome marines.

 

And remember this isn't a balanced competitive game we are playing, we are building a narrative, and growing a stock price.

ha. You do realize balance is what makes 30K better than 40K right?

[1000 Sons]

Really need to stop imagining that FW is some special cup cake that has nothing to do with GW.

Also, why wouldn't they update after the siege ? You think gw will just stop at the siege and say we are done, just keep playing with what you have ? There will be new models, units and books after the siege, as long as people are willing to buy them.

@prodigal son Isn't Mechanicus just the elder of 30k ?

[Slips]

I mean, we've got the whole of the Scouring to get into after the Siege!

[Prodigal Son of Magnus]

Really need to stop imagining that FW is some special cup cake that has nothing to do with GW. 

 

Also, why wouldn't they update after the siege ?  You think gw will just stop at the siege and say we are done, just keep playing with what you have ?  There will be new models, units and books after the siege, as long as people are willing to buy them.

 

@prodigal son  Isn't Mechanicus just the elder of 30k ? :D

Mechanicum has nothing on Eldar. Think of Mechanicum in terms of Rock paper scissors, and mechanicum is a giant rock. Sure, that rock is going to absolutely smash scissors, but he won't do much against paper.

[SkimaskMohawk]

Why wouldn't they update before? Precedent has been set from the last 3 faqs.

 

As for how they differ from GW; they threw out all the formation, unbound, dataslate, 7th ed trash being thrown out the window. They care more about the state of their game rather than catering to everyone

[DuskRaider]

If FW does an errata, it'll definitely be sooner rather than later... After the Siege of Terra?? Do you realize how far out that is?

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

Too much 'my primarch can beat up yours', too much taking criticism of your favorite primarch personally, too much talk about the novels and authors, too much name calling and edging on personal attacks.

 

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