Sororita Katya Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Did we get written out of the Schola Progenum? "Life in the Scholas is extremely hard, a relentless grind of physical and mental challenge where only the strongest thrive. Taught to strive for excellence and obedience in all things, the minds and bodies of the recruits are sharpened to a killing edge whilst their spirit learns to embrace the Emperor as Master and Immortal Father. Most of these intense young men and women go on to train as Militarum Tempestus Scions; Commissars or, in the most unusual or cases, Inquisitors. Those of their number who are born killers, however, are instead appropriated by the shadowy figures that haunt each Selection Day. Those recruits are never seen again by their fellows. From that day onwards, their only true friend, is death itself." ~Excerpt from Officio Assassinorum. It talks about every faction that uses it except for the Adepta Sororitas...what's with that? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312142-written-out-of-the-progenum/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Not really, just not mentioned. It does say "most of" and it could easily be an oversight or simply the author not knowing his stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312142-written-out-of-the-progenum/#findComment-4141959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 It also misses out the real main eventual destination for Progena, the Adeptus Terra. Just an author fail. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312142-written-out-of-the-progenum/#findComment-4141962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sororita Katya Posted August 9, 2015 Author Share Posted August 9, 2015 Hmm ok, but id say the Adepta Sororitas and the Adeptus Terra are were the majority of all these orphans go...so that's a pretty big author fail... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312142-written-out-of-the-progenum/#findComment-4141967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naminé Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 I always had the impression that Sororitas recruits were rarer then Scions, but I could be completely wrong on that. Not sure were I picked that up... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312142-written-out-of-the-progenum/#findComment-4142020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 I can't remember seeing and particulars in the fluff recently, but I think that's still the case. I'm wondering if this might change somewhat in the new codex, at least to give Sisters more numbers as the Sisterhood has a lot of responsibilities across the Imperium so I think should have more presence. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312142-written-out-of-the-progenum/#findComment-4142031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sororita Katya Posted August 9, 2015 Author Share Posted August 9, 2015 I always had the impression that Sororitas recruits were rarer then Scions, but I could be completely wrong on that. Not sure were I picked that up... Could the Scions have at least a single guard at every chapel in the imperium plus fight wars and keep the cathedral worlds running...that's a hell of a lot of troops. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312142-written-out-of-the-progenum/#findComment-4142032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 There isn't a Sororitas at every chapel in the Imperium. Most chapels are completely unguarded save maybe a priest who's a bit of a weapons nerd. The official numbers put the Sororitas at somewhere between 60,000 and 1,000,000 across the whole galaxy. The vast majority of Progena go to the Adeptus Terra. Those who are especially Faithful go to the Sororitas (girls), or the Commisariat (boys and some girls). Those whose fighting ability is stronger than any other attributes go to the Scions. Those who ask too many questions tend to be picked by the Inquisition. etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312142-written-out-of-the-progenum/#findComment-4142180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Those who ask too many questions tend to be picked by the Inquisition. Well, that's one of two fates there then! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312142-written-out-of-the-progenum/#findComment-4142274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Mehman Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Most chapels are completely unguarded save maybe a priest who's a bit of a weapons nerd. Hell yeah we are ! I mean...no, that's what I meant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312142-written-out-of-the-progenum/#findComment-4142447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 You're a weapons nerd, because if you're anything else with all that martial training you'll break the Decree Passive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312142-written-out-of-the-progenum/#findComment-4142485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sororita Katya Posted August 10, 2015 Author Share Posted August 10, 2015 http://i62.tinypic.com/sqshat.jpg Every shrine and cathedral, plus guarding relics...that's an awful lot to protect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312142-written-out-of-the-progenum/#findComment-4142507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 That just makes what they do, and what they have to face even more awesome Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312142-written-out-of-the-progenum/#findComment-4143014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Danse Macabre Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 If the space Marines can handle one marine for every world then surely we can manage this. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312142-written-out-of-the-progenum/#findComment-4143070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I did math some time ago and based on some very loose estimates that were designed to try and keep numbers pretty low there were still about 10.5 Billion Sisters. That's .00005% of the total pop of the Imperium. It'd be like having 6 Sisters of Battle in every US State. That'd be a more reasonable number in my mind to handle everything they do I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312142-written-out-of-the-progenum/#findComment-4148561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sororita Katya Posted August 17, 2015 Author Share Posted August 17, 2015 I did math some time ago and based on some very loose estimates that were designed to try and keep numbers pretty low there were still about 10.5 Billion Sisters. That's .00005% of the total pop of the Imperium. It'd be like having 6 Sisters of Battle in every US State. That'd be a more reasonable number in my mind to handle everything they do I think. I got 8.4 billion from what me and my friends could work out. It's still a significant amount, much more than an elite group, because they're not that. They are a military arm of the Ecclesiarchy and therefore have to be a big enough force to not only defend all assets but attack and build on that as well, not just for the Ecclesiarchy, but for the Inquisition and their own means as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312142-written-out-of-the-progenum/#findComment-4148654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 The problem is that there are hundreds of churches and shrines in 40k literature that don't have a single Battle Sister on the same planet as them, and given how often they become major plot areas, that comes across as more than a little ridiculous if there's supposed to be a Sister at every chapel. We have to conclude that either there's a form of Erasure going on, or that line is pure hyperbole. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312142-written-out-of-the-progenum/#findComment-4148774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sororita Katya Posted August 17, 2015 Author Share Posted August 17, 2015 The problem is that there are hundreds of churches and shrines in 40k literature that don't have a single Battle Sister on the same planet as them, and given how often they become major plot areas, that comes across as more than a little ridiculous if there's supposed to be a Sister at every chapel. We have to conclude that either there's a form of Erasure going on, or that line is pure hyperbole. That's too much logic for GW to follow, id be mainly inclined to go with the codex than any fiction from black library though Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312142-written-out-of-the-progenum/#findComment-4148874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teetengee Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Maybe the sisters are horribly understaffed and the line about a sister at each chapel is more of a comforting lie than the truth, that the higher ups are unwilling to provide them with new material and bodies sufficient to maintain their duties? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312142-written-out-of-the-progenum/#findComment-4148935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 The problem is that there are hundreds of churches and shrines in 40k literature that don't have a single Battle Sister on the same planet as them, and given how often they become major plot areas, that comes across as more than a little ridiculous if there's supposed to be a Sister at every chapel. We have to conclude that either there's a form of Erasure going on, or that line is pure hyperbole. That's too much logic for GW to follow, id be mainly inclined to go with the codex than any fiction from black library though That's fine. I'm more inclined to go with the "Sisters are rare and super-elite badasses" rather than relegating them to "well-equipped mooks". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312142-written-out-of-the-progenum/#findComment-4149766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sororita Katya Posted August 18, 2015 Author Share Posted August 18, 2015 The problem is that there are hundreds of churches and shrines in 40k literature that don't have a single Battle Sister on the same planet as them, and given how often they become major plot areas, that comes across as more than a little ridiculous if there's supposed to be a Sister at every chapel. We have to conclude that either there's a form of Erasure going on, or that line is pure hyperbole. That's too much logic for GW to follow, id be mainly inclined to go with the codex than any fiction from black library thoughThat's fine. I'm more inclined to go with the "Sisters are rare and super-elite badasses" rather than relegating them to "well-equipped mooks". I think that's a bit harsh. Although their stat lines do not suggest super elite. The whole awesome thing about them is that they are just humans, with their power coming from true zeal (with assistance from power armour). You have to be careful here to not throw them into the same boat as grey Knights, which are what you are describing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312142-written-out-of-the-progenum/#findComment-4149912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 That's a fair point, but much relies on the particular narrative of where you are at the time. Whenever it is convenient something will be reduced to mook status and at other times shown as paragons of awesome. Of that stick Sisters have the former more than the latter. That's how it goes; blame poor writing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312142-written-out-of-the-progenum/#findComment-4149926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 The fact that a Battle Sister can shoot better than a Space Marine with all his magic eyesight and fully integrated autosenses, while still being fully human, doesn't scream super-elite to you?! The fact they're raised like Sardaukar doesn't say 'super-elite' to you? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312142-written-out-of-the-progenum/#findComment-4150243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teetengee Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 They don't really shoot better do they? just "as good as?"Still, I would say that they are super elite for humans.Mutated humans such as the space marines may be stronger or somehow more combat effective (or not as circumstances are) but they also cheat via being not quite human any more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312142-written-out-of-the-progenum/#findComment-4150248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naminé Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Sororitas represent the pinnacle of what a human soldier can be: Expertly trained, equipped in the most finely-crafted technology known to the Imperium and unshakably loyal. They are what the Guard could be if they were given the best of the best and treated as a valuable resource instead of the cheapest. But they are also underestimated; in a galaxy were Space Marines exist in the limelight, the humble Sister can take other warriors by suprise with her battle prowess! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312142-written-out-of-the-progenum/#findComment-4150427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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