simison Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Demus is correct. Since Depth wasn't very active, we didn't do a lot with the Ghost Walkers besides having them ambush the Fire Keepers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312261-insurrectionists-strategium/page/13/#findComment-4462396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Ok, that leaves me with a lot space to work on. By the way, do we have an overall timeline of both, the Great Crusade and the Insurrection? Could only find a timeline of our Primarchs discovery. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312261-insurrectionists-strategium/page/13/#findComment-4462529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 The Great Crusade starts at the same time as the canon one, but lasts another 37 years under the command of Alex, ending on 044, which is the Day of the Revelation. The Insurrection lasts roughly 27 years, from 044-071, ending with Icarion's death at the hands of the Emperor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312261-insurrectionists-strategium/page/13/#findComment-4462537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 At the beginning of the Insurrection there is at least one traitor in the Hands, the Lightning Bearer. Then there's going to be more in the Crusader Host. Thoughts on how the Insurrectionists would use them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312261-insurrectionists-strategium/page/13/#findComment-4464772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 To write my Warmaster versus Bloodthirster post, I did read parts from the Daemon and Khorne Daemonkin codices. I even rolled out the fight between Alex & Raz, which did end in a single round thanks to Force. Anyway, I learned that there are 8 ranks of Bloodthirsters, and we've been told what 3 of the 8 ranks specialize in. Of course, I wanted to be different, which means Razzie is from the second rank. Anyone happen to know what the Bloodthirsters of the second rank do? Or, better yet, anyone *glances at Raktra* want to take a stab at what the second rank be devoted to? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312261-insurrectionists-strategium/page/13/#findComment-4465938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 Lemme dig out my End Times books and I'll get right back to you on that! I know the first host are the hunters of champions and the greatest generals (ohai Ka'Bandha), so they've gotta be something hefty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312261-insurrectionists-strategium/page/13/#findComment-4466512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Right, I know the First Host are the worst/best of the bunch and include Ka'Bandha & An'ggrath, while the Khorne Daemonkin codex details the Third, Fifth, & Eighth Hosts, which is why I picked the Second Host. I wanted to make it clear that Khorne did see great potential in a Khornate Warmaster, but he was also fairly certain that Alex would reject him (along with his usual biases against psykers), so he didn't send anyone from the First Host. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312261-insurrectionists-strategium/page/13/#findComment-4466606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 I suggest that the crushing of the Technocracy and the Shepherds might be the final push that drives Alex to seek xenos allies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312261-insurrectionists-strategium/page/13/#findComment-4482933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 If I remember rightly the technocracy became part of the Mechanicum Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312261-insurrectionists-strategium/page/13/#findComment-4482936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Not quite, as they want to keep a measure of autonomy and don't do religion. They become collaborators with Abyssii, perhaps to the annoyance of Kelbor-Hal, and respond to the murder of their saviour Daer'dd about as well as you'd expect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312261-insurrectionists-strategium/page/13/#findComment-4482940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 (edited) So, fall of Aureus - who'd like to assist Raktra in purging the Technocracy and his bastard sons? I quite like the idea of having The Drowned and Grave Stalkers involved, as it will essentially be a genocidal campaign with the enslavement of any surviving mortals. Raktra's suggested they go full Blood Boiler on the Iron Citadel, and an American friend at my hostel (who may have a B&C account, I haven't asked, and in any case he's more interested in 40k than 30k) suggests they could simply drop a freighter full of explosives on the walls. We're looking at unmitigated slaughter, with barely any survivors even among the mortals. Edited August 30, 2016 by bluntblade Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312261-insurrectionists-strategium/page/13/#findComment-4483866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 So, Insurrectionists. For the diversionary attacks that happen pre Blood Crusade, which traitor legions would fight which loyalists? My current thoughts are: Grave Stalkers vs Iron Bears: GS start raiding the worlds of Three Fires, relying on the Iron Bears honour and the like to keep them in Three Fires trying to stop the GS raids rather than going to the Dominion. Godslayers vs Halycon Wardens: Godslayers are sent to tie down the Halycon Wardens on the outskirts of the Segmentum Solar in an attritional battle. Reason Icarion withdraws his Harbingers is that he wants them to be his shock troops I imagine and not get ground down by attritional warfare Warbringers vs Scions Hospitalier: As part of trying to end the stalemate, I imagine Icarion would want to end resistance in the Eastern Fringe. So sending the Warbringers to cut off the narrow corridor between Terra and the Eastern Fringe. However, I imagine Alex would order the Scions to keep the corridor open at all costs so a battle ensues between those two. Stygian Jackals vs Void Eagles: Sent to harass and harry the Void Eagles, launching constant hit and run attacks against them but never letting themselves be drawn into direct battle, essentially leading them on a chase all across the galaxy(in addition to raiding as they already are doing). Drowned vs Dune Serpents: Sent to annihilate the Dune Serpents once and for all. Warriors of Peace and Eagle Warriors not committed to the Blood Crusade vs Fire Keepers: Sent to keep them pinned in place. That and it would be interesting to see the EW and WoP need to work together Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312261-insurrectionists-strategium/page/13/#findComment-4484682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 How about putting predators and firekeepers togheter to beef them up? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312261-insurrectionists-strategium/page/13/#findComment-4484864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 How about putting predators and firekeepers togheter to beef them up? Kelborn has said they only turn traitor post Blood Crusade :/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312261-insurrectionists-strategium/page/13/#findComment-4484869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 No. Together as loyalists. And andezo works different from niklaas and as they.argue there can be a slow building up of beef. For example: niklaas.like trench warfare, but andezo just blows the castle up, losing a lot of weapons in the process or so. A complicated Relationship although they are on the same side Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312261-insurrectionists-strategium/page/13/#findComment-4484873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Could have them fight together to make future betrayal more potent. Put a couple of seeds of distrust between the two for potential foreshadowing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312261-insurrectionists-strategium/page/13/#findComment-4484874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Exactly my thinking. Or have andezo the witch gain niklaas trust. Could work as well Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312261-insurrectionists-strategium/page/13/#findComment-4484876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 (edited) Oh right :) sorry misunderstood. Yeah I could see that working although we'd need to reshuffle which traitor legions get sent against them. Could possibly be a bit like the Thramas Crusade Inner voice: Stop finding parallels with canon! We're unique damnit! Sorry... Perhaps that war could be a boxed section. Edited August 30, 2016 by Sigismund229 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312261-insurrectionists-strategium/page/13/#findComment-4484877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Thanks, guys. That is what I had in mind previously when I said that I'd love to have a campaign including Niklaas and Andezo. Either they distrust each other because of their different pov on the universe OR the could become pals while fighting at each others side. Like it! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312261-insurrectionists-strategium/page/13/#findComment-4485170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Consider this when building relationships between Niklaas and his brothers. Niklaas cheap shotted Raktra in a training cage match because Raktra interrupted him during a tactical briefing. He was trying to teach a greater lesson. But ya know how that goes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312261-insurrectionists-strategium/page/13/#findComment-4485480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Consider this when building relationships between Niklaas and his brothers. Niklaas cheap shotted Raktra in a training cage match because Raktra interrupted him during a tactical briefing. He was trying to teach a greater lesson. But ya know how that goes. Actually it was a duel for blood. Anyway read the story A difference of Opinion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312261-insurrectionists-strategium/page/13/#findComment-4485483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Regarding a Red Box for the Fall of Aureus: I think it should be in Book 2. We want to demonstrate the Imperium on the back foot in 2, and there's a stage in the conflict between that event and the events of Escalation. Otherwise there's potential for confusion, and the account of Icarion's forces wiping out the Shepherds will jar next to information telling about how his forces had been stalled and he needed to break the deadlock. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312261-insurrectionists-strategium/page/13/#findComment-4486358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Will we have a book stalemate were.we introduce the xenos mercenaries and other factions like the interex, the imperial guard etc? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312261-insurrectionists-strategium/page/13/#findComment-4486385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 (edited) Bit off topic: Predators and their relations - a suggestion Lightning Bearers: Sworn Brothers (fought several times at each others side, Andezo feels comfortable with him, although he dislikes their usage of sorcery and seemingly obsession of precognition) Space Wolves: extinct - formerly Fellow Warriors (in terms of hunting, keeping their individuality) Crimson Lions: Distrusted Allies (Andezo sees that Hec has something dark within him, lurking beneath his skin but can't name it) Void Eagles: Fellow Warriors (for the sake of Why not?) Halcyon Wardens: Distrusted Allies (they don't feel comfortable with Alexandros taking care so much, would rather be on their own) Iron Bears: Sworn Brothers (Daer'dd was at the Emperors' side when Andezo was discovered, therefore both Legion worked very close together) Berserkers of Uran: Fellow Warriors (Outsiders need a buddy, aye?) Godslayers: By order! (Pariah) Warbringers: By order! ('cause Skalpy said so ^^) Fire Keepers: By order! or Distrusted Allies / Fellow Warrios? (depending on the possible campaign with both being involved) Thousand Sons: extinct - Distrusted Allies (same as the Lightning Bearers, although having powerful psykers by themselves, they distrust the overall usage of their brothers; something like the canon distrust between Wolves and Sons) Wardens of Light: By order! (Pariah and too much bling http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/msn-wink.gif) Eagle Warriors: Sworn Brothers ('cause Alexos directly says what he thinks, whatever the odds) Dune Serpents: Fellow Warriors (not quite sure about that, had their commonality in infiltration in mind) Grave Stalkers: Distrusted Allies (Pariah) Drowned: Fellow Warriors (both Legion don't care for casualties as long as the campaign / hunt was a success, rather feel comfortable with the pre Morro Drowned) Warriors of Peace: Distrusted Allies (Pariah) Sytgian Jackals: Distrusted Allies (even for someone like Andezo, Wyllem is too much of a wildcard) Scions Hospitalier: Distrusted Allies (Predators hunt people down, Scions save people...doesn't match) CC is welcome!! Ah crap! Wrong thread!!! SORRY!!!! Slips, can you move that one??? Edited September 1, 2016 by Kelborn Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312261-insurrectionists-strategium/page/13/#findComment-4486398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 (edited) Distrusted Allies with the Shepherds, I suggest (hypothetically) Edited September 1, 2016 by bluntblade Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312261-insurrectionists-strategium/page/13/#findComment-4486399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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