White Scars: Khorne or Slaanesh?

[b1soul]

It seems like the Chaos Gods had their eyes on a number of loyalist Legions during the Heresy. 

 

If Mortarion had pursuaded the Khan to join Horus, which Chaos God do you think the Scars would have followed?

 

I'm thinking Khorne would've made the most sense...maybe Slaanesh because the Scars seem to really enjoy the thrill of "lightning warfare". Speed is to the Scars is as noise is to the Emperor's Children perhaps? 

 

Chaos Undivided, Tzeentch, and Nurgle don't fit the Scars (especially not Nurgle)

[tdemayo]

I think they'd most likely have gone undivided, rather like the Night Lords.

 

Anyway, why _not_ Tzeentch?  They have a strong Librarius and are interested in misdirection, concealment, and outsmarting the foe.

[Rev. Tiberius Jackhammer]

I'm not sure who the Khan himself would follow, but I don't think the legion itself would be dedicated to a single god. World Eaters/Death Guard/Thousand Sons/Emperor's Children were pretty much tailor-made to fit their patron god; the other legions have enough variation in them to not be in consensus for their worship.

 

I'd imagine that plenty would be too free-spirited to submit to the tyranny of a single god, they'd either pay respect to Chaos Undivided or join the rebellion without Chaos worship. Warriors who revel most in bloodshed would fall to Khorne, those who live for the feeling of the wind rushing past, looking down on mortals from their steel mounts would worship Slaanesh, and a cabal of Stormseers might follow Tzeentch's teachings.

 

Edit: Thinking on it, the Traitor Primarchs either followed a single god, were empowered by Chaos Undivided or followed no gods. Maybe Kahn would break the mold and follow an incomplete set?

 

"My right fist is Khorne, my left; Slaanesh. With Tzeentch's temperance, I can wield these powers together."

[Conn Eremon]

Every Chaos God could have an understandable claim, though some more than others. In my mind the order of likelihood would be Slaanesh, Nurgle, Tzeentch and Khorne.

 

Slaanesh, because their thrill for combat comes across as more Slaaneshi than Khornate.

 

Nurgle, because it seems like they want the V Legion to be as derivative as possible, or at least their one author so far really goes for derivative works, and you can't think about Mongolians without thinking the Black Death.

 

Tzeentch, because they have a level of respect and courtesy for their psykers that could readily be manipulated against them if corruption were to set in.

 

And Khorne, because ultimately, what Legion wouldn't feel his call?

[b1soul]

Every Chaos God could have an understandable claim, though some more than others. In my mind the order of likelihood would be Slaanesh, Nurgle, Tzeentch and Khorne.

 

Slaanesh, because their thrill for combat comes across as more Slaaneshi than Khornate.

 

Nurgle, because it seems like they want the V Legion to be as derivative as possible, or at least their one author so far really goes for derivative works, and you can't think about Mongolians without thinking the Black Death.

 

Tzeentch, because they have a level of respect and courtesy for their psykers that could readily be manipulated against them if corruption were to set in.

 

And Khorne, because ultimately, what Legion wouldn't feel his call?

 

Can't really agree with Nurgle...but it's an interesting direction

[Noserenda]

I think Nurgle could fit pretty well, not the lumbering plague hulks of the Deathguard but rather Plague Vectors, laughing as they ride and bringing the Fathers Gifts to all and sundry in their wake, maybe horrific corrupt exhaust fumes? :D As said above the Cult legions as written have the force of inevitability to them but Nurgle in particular is an odd one as the Plague Marines are soo completely Deatguard as well as Nurgle.

 

Tzeench would be my second choice, Freedom is the Scars first love after all (With a Dash of Sorcery)

[Slips]

Bike exhaust that causes instantaneous Super-Cancer could fit pretty well with Nurgle White Scars...not that theyd be White for long....

[Hesh Kadesh]

Magnolia Scars?

[b1soul]

I think Nurgle could fit pretty well, not the lumbering plague hulks of the Deathguard but rather Plague Vectors, laughing as they ride and bringing the Fathers Gifts to all and sundry in their wake, maybe horrific corrupt exhaust fumes? As said above the Cult legions as written have the force of inevitability to them but Nurgle in particular is an odd one as the Plague Marines are soo completely Deatguard as well as Nurgle.

Tzeench would be my second choice, Freedom is the Scars first love after all (With a Dash of Sorcery)

I think the idea of biological warfare Scars is pretty cool

...but isn't Nurgle supposed to be about stagnation. That's why Nurgle favours the lumbering Death Guard

I don't think speed meshes that well with Nurgle

Plague bikes are an effin' cool idea tho

[Conn Eremon]

Speed and stagnation are not mutually exclusive. What makes canon Plague Marines the slow, plodding creatures that they are is because they are a fusion of Nurgle's love and the Death Guard's already slow, plodding tendencies. Replace the Death Guard with anyone else, and you lose that aspect automatically.

 

Considering the Mongolian penchant (during the period in which the White Scars are derivative of) for biological warfare, and the absolutely immense loss of life they instigated due to disease, even if the scope of tens to hundreds of millions was likely unintentional, it would certainly be fitting for the White Scars to have a connection to Nurgle.

 

Plague Scars would embody the rapid growth and spread of an epidemic. Inexorable in its relentless speed and destruction. A Hive-Baron witnesses the plague-induced demise of a sister hive, and immediately places his Hive on emergency lockdown and quarantine. The Death Guard encircle, test the perimeter. Unleash crippling disease that slowly seeps in, infecting those nearest the surface and the edges of the Hive. A combination of the corruption warping the outer walls and the unthinking betrayals of the infected eventually undermine the integrity of the quarantine. And the Death Guard are in.

 

The White Scars were already inside.

[no I'm alpharius]

I think Nurgle could fit pretty well, not the lumbering plague hulks of the Deathguard but rather Plague Vectors, laughing as they ride and bringing the Fathers Gifts to all and sundry in their wake, maybe horrific corrupt exhaust fumes? As said above the Cult legions as written have the force of inevitability to them but Nurgle in particular is an odd one as the Plague Marines are soo completely Deatguard as well as Nurgle.

Tzeench would be my second choice, Freedom is the Scars first love after all (With a Dash of Sorcery)

I think the idea of biological warfare Scars is pretty cool

...but isn't Nurgle supposed to be about stagnation. That's why Nurgle favours the lumbering Death Guard

I don't think speed meshes that well with Nurgle

Plague bikes are an effin' cool idea tho

Battered and rusty harley davidsons, ramshackle trikes with heavy weapons teams on the back or on the sides. The background story of the land slowly succumbing to their 'plague' also works, and with pack animals being replaced by oil and brake fluid (although its browner and more viscous now .... )

From the last 'Traitor Scars' thread

That'd be the imagery I'd expect from Nurglite Scars, rusting hulks of bikes and trikes, a hint of Mad Max 2, leather and oil and dirt grime. Not speed, per se, but the constant march of our forces over you.

[N Prime]

I can definitely see Plague Scars moving quickly, spreading like an epidemic, an outbreak of violence, madness, and suffering.

 

The visuals that crop up are most definitely Pestilence, of the 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse .
 

"And I saw and beheld a white horse; and he that sat upon it held a bow; and a crown was given unto him and he went forth conquering and to conquer."

 

Deathly pale, bone white, possibly with splotches of faded yellow and other sickly spots. These aren't the fat bloated things of Mortarions eternally suffering legion. These are riding corpses, wrecked with the poisons that coat their weaponry. Close combat weapons: A one handed sickle, oozing ....ickiness.

 

They may strike as a thunderbolt or simple race through, sickly clouds of sickly green, black, and  yellow trailing behind them, faces etched with rictus grins. And the enemy does not yet know they are dead.

 

Maybe they kill quickly, maybe they do not. But the Hit, Leave, Hit Again sounds an awful lot like a plague that just wont die out to me. :)

[no I'm alpharius]

"And I saw and beheld a white horse; and he that sat upon it held a bow; and a crown was given unto him and he went forth conquering and to conquer."

 

Special character called the man in black ... proclaiming the forthcoming fate of those who oppose when The Khan comes around. 

 

Hear the trumpets, hear the pipers.
One hundred million angels singin'.
Multitudes are marching to the big kettle drum.
Voices callin', voices cryin'.
Some are born an' some are dyin'.
It's Alpha's and Omega's Kingdom come.

Wait a second ... 

Just. 

As. 

Planned. 

[Rage of Khorne]

In one of the White Scars stories it tells of Yasugei's transformation from a gifted golden eyes child into a Zadyin Auga. When he is greeted with a vision of the gods they come in the form of animal headed apparitions urging him to drink from the cup of the Aether. I would imagine, based on this vision, it would make the most sense that the scars would follow all the gods in a more tribal traditional way rather than one specific god.

 

Visually I am reminded of the Chaos Tribesmen from the old warhammer fantasy world, growing up with traditions that pull them in the direction of ritualistic worship of chaos. They appear much like nomadic tribesmen (as the scars are) in model and story.

[Petitioner's City]

In one of the White Scars stories it tells of Yasugei's transformation from a gifted golden eyes child into a Zadyin Auga. When he is greeted with a vision of the gods they come in the form of animal headed apparitions urging him to drink from the cup of the Aether. I would imagine, based on this vision, it would make the most sense that the scars would follow all the gods in a more tribal traditional way rather than one specific god.

 

Visually I am reminded of the Chaos Tribesmen from the old warhammer fantasy world, growing up with traditions that pull them in the direction of ritualistic worship of chaos. They appear much like nomadic tribesmen (as the scars are) in model and story.

 

Yes I wanna go say I'd imagine them a bit like Dan Abnett's depictions of the chaos maurauders in Riders of the Dead.

[b1soul]

You guys think Chaos SW would also be tribal Chaos Undivided marauders?