Knights 40K vs 30K

[Dark Bjoern]

I´m curious, had anyone played the C: IK and the Questoris list from HH book 4? Which one do you prefer? What are the pros and cons of each list?

Unfortunatly i hadn´t have the chance to test my pure knight lists. Only one or two with my Taghmata list. When i tell them i wanna test a list with 5 or 6 knights my opponents say thanks but no.

[CommodusXIII]

30K and 40K aren't mixed in my meta,so I only use the Codex list.

[RandomMarine]

30k list is more fun due to the different classes within each slot and the CHOOOM Knight . Imho

[Slips]

Main downside to 30k knights is, much with everything in 30k, they only start to come into their own at 2k+

 

Though 30k has the advantage that, if you take the Right Knights and slot upgrades for them, you can give a single one Skyfire/interceptor to deal with their main weakness vs flyers while another can gain Tank Hunters. Or have a Knight Lancer with Ws5 and a 4++ with the HQ upgrade.

 

Downside is that it take a lot of multi-Knight coordination to pull off stuff like this.

 

40k knight have the advantage of being cheaper individually, having formations and stuff that give nice buffs and a few good relics.

 

You make up for the potential lack in quality by having quantity, imo.

 

But theyll never have a CHOOOOOM Knight.

Edited August 17, 2015 by Slipstreams

[Dark Bjoern]

To say it like an Ultramarine, it´s not the theory, it´s the practical i´m interested in. What are your experiences with both lists? It´s my impression, that the Codex is concentrated about a single formation. It gives you some special rules and that´s it.

It sounds the 30K list offers more options. The synergy Sound more interresting to me. Actual i have 7 Knights (3 Paladin, 2 Errant, 1 Lancer, 1 Castigator) at hand. An eighth Knight is on the way, a Styrix.

[CommodusXIII]

The Codex actually has two Detachments and several Formations, all of which have their own uses. You can read through the Imperial Knight Tactica thread in this forum for a more in-depth evaluation. The modularity of the 30K list is a plus, as it gives you a little more flexibility, but 30K doesn't always mesh well with 40K.

 

The Styrix has no place in the 40K Codex as its rules are for 30K only, so you should probably focus on the 30K list.

[Slips]

Well, I have faced a 4knight list with an accompanying Admech Detachment in 30k and while I did succeed in blowing one knight up into another and bringing that one down to 1hp in the explosion, his Senechal Lancer with at 4++ survived 5 turns of melta bombs from a Breacher squad. Helps that Knight #4 charged into them to tank some bombs. If it wasnt for rolling 6s on stomps he wouldve been tarpitted all game.

 

In this case, we didnt have enough anti-knight weaponry and they penned us in on our side of the board. That let the allied Admech just shoot into us no problem.

 

So, if you can make a 4+ knight list, your essentially reachinng critical mass at that point and most "all comers" list will have some trouble dealing with them even if they do no damage to your army.

 

So only lists that are really expecting them and tool up a list to specifically deal with that many knights will have a walk in the part due to how much stuff they can bring to bear vs 4+ knights. And let me tell you, a Castigator with skyfire is no fun.

[Dark Bjoern]

For 30k i wanna Play the following list:

 

+++ House Taranis (2500pts) +++

++ Questoris Knight Crusade Army (Age of Darkness) (2500pts) ++

+ HQ (455pts) +

Seneschal (455pts)
····Ideal Mission Commander, Master Knight
····Questoris Knight Paladin [2x Bio-corrosive rounds for its heavy stubbers, Occular Augmetics, Rapid-fire battlecannon]
········Household Rank

+ Troops (790pts) +

Scion Martial (405pts)
····Objective Secured
····Questoris Knight Paladin [2x Bio-corrosive rounds for its heavy stubbers, Occular Augmetics, Rapid-fire battlecannon]
········Household Rank

Scion Martial (385pts)
····Objective Secured
····Questoris Knight Errant [bio-corrosive rounds for its heavy stubbers, Occular Augmetics]
········Household Rank

+ Elites (415pts) +

Preceptor (415pts)
····Oracle of Battle
····Cerastus Knight-Castigator [Occular Augmetics]
········Deflagrate, Flank Speed, Household Rank, Tempest Attack

+ Fast Attack (410pts) +

Scion Uhlan (410pts)
····Impetuous Advance, Uhlan's Scorn
····Cerastus Knight-Lancer [Occular Augmetics]
········Flank Speed, Household Rank, Swift Strike

+ Heavy Support (430pts) +

Scion Arbalester (430pts) [Questoris Knight Styrix]
····Blessed Autosimulacra, Deflagrate, Graviton Pulse, Household Rank, Overtaxed Reactor, Weapon Calibration
 

I know, many people prefer the Castigator in the role of the Arbalester, but i prefer the longer range and higher strength of the Styrix.

[Slips]

Styrix or Castigator are both equally good for Arbalester both have the necessary to make them work well: High Volume, High Strength Shooting though S8 Swings it in the Styrix's Favor.

 

Occular Augmentics is weird because it says re-roll 1s on the Vehicle Damage or D chart but only if its ranged attacks. Since they have no Ranged S:D, really, you're losing some benefit. But, hey, if you have the points, might as well take em.

 

For the Senechal, its mostly comes down to how much use you'll get out of the buffs. Imo, a Lancer or Admech Knight benefits the most.

 

Lancer: Can use the Invuln in CC and +1WS Helps with its role of Super-Heavy Killer.

Admech Knight: 3++ Ionic Flare Shield makes for a very tough nut to crack.

 

Other than those two, any knight can reasonably fill the role. Though, IIRC, only a single Troops choice is Compulsory...but, nothings more LOL than OS Knights.

 

I'd also potentially consider an Acheron as an additional Perceptor. Having an Interceptor Ap3 Hellstorm Flamer can come in very handy especially if you can cause some collateral damage.

 

I made the following really quick:

 

Hidden Content

+++ Imperial Knights (2500pts) +++

 

++ Questoris Knight Crusade Army (Questoris Knight Crusade Army) (2500pts) ++

 

+ HQ (455pts) +

 

Seneschal (455pts) [Questoris Knight Styrix]

 

+ Troops (370pts) +

 

Scion Martial (370pts) [Questoris Knight Errant]

 

+ Elites (845pts) +

 

Preceptor (405pts) [Cerastus Knight-Castigator]

 

Preceptor (440pts) [Cerastus Knight-Acheron]

 

+ Fast Attack (400pts) +

 

Scion Uhlan (400pts) [Cerastus Knight-Lancer]

 

+ Heavy Support (430pts) +

 

Scion Arbalester (430pts) [Questoris Knight Styrix]

 

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Dual Perceptors also mean that you can spread that Interceptor Bubble to more of your Army.

Edited August 17, 2015 by Slipstreams