Frater Cornelius Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Are Plasma-based weapons expensive to produce? Do Regiments get them en-mass or are they are rare commodity? I was thinking to make my Regiment heat-weapon based. We are talking a good amount of Meltas spread here or there but mostly Plasmas up the rear. We are talking everything from the regular Plasma Guns in a Platoon and up to the Executioner being the main Battle Tank and even fully operational Stormblades (the one with the big Plasma Gun on it). As I gathered correctly, Ryza is the main expert on Plasma-based tech, right after Mars, correct? Cheers ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312634-fluff-are-plasmas-an-expensive-commodity/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
M@verik115 Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Plasma's are not a commodity, they are a punishment. When are guardsman is really really bad he gets issued a plasma gun for the next battle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312634-fluff-are-plasmas-an-expensive-commodity/#findComment-4151445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Historically, plasma weaponry was described as incredibly rare, almost forgotten technology, and a tremendous honour to be issued with. Then they started handing them out to cannon fodder by the half dozen. Go wild. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312634-fluff-are-plasmas-an-expensive-commodity/#findComment-4151451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Indeed, though they were once rare that no longer seems to be the case. I don't think I can remember any reference to scarcity in recent stuff so there aren't any reasons why you can't load up on them :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312634-fluff-are-plasmas-an-expensive-commodity/#findComment-4151471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted August 20, 2015 Author Share Posted August 20, 2015 I am not sure about the regular Plasmas, but Executioners and Stormblades seem to be made exclusively on Ryza (and Mars), so there can not be that many of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312634-fluff-are-plasmas-an-expensive-commodity/#findComment-4151480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFeeder Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I am not sure about the regular Plasmas, but Executioners and Stormblades seem to be made exclusively on Ryza (and Mars), so there can not be that many of them. As of M41, the Leman Russ Executioner is only produced on Ryza. I think the Stormblade is produced in other Forge Worlds though. I like to think of Executioners as relic vehicles personally. I always imagined them to be a maximum of one or two per armoured regiment, with the notable exception of Ryza's Skitarii regiments, who are known to have entire companies of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312634-fluff-are-plasmas-an-expensive-commodity/#findComment-4151487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted August 20, 2015 Author Share Posted August 20, 2015 So, say you still have loads of them lying from from way back, when they were common. Would you contact Ryza to maintain them? Or could other FW keep them up and running? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312634-fluff-are-plasmas-an-expensive-commodity/#findComment-4151492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Do you want to be able to maintain them without Ryza? If the answer is "yes" then you can ;) Maybe some Ryza Enginseers accompany you, or they taught others how to look after the tanks? Building something is quite different to maintaining it, so I wouldn't worry too much about the fluff here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312634-fluff-are-plasmas-an-expensive-commodity/#findComment-4151506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted August 20, 2015 Author Share Posted August 20, 2015 Sweet. As a Knight House, they have relations with the AdMech, but Ryza is fairly far from where I want to locate myself. Hence the concern. Also, how do you determine the colour of Plasma? Is it always that light blue (or red if you wear spikes and are evil) or can you add different flavours? I would like mine to be banana flavoured (read, yellow), like the Emperor's holy fire. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312634-fluff-are-plasmas-an-expensive-commodity/#findComment-4151517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Blame your Gets Hot rolls on improper maintenance. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312634-fluff-are-plasmas-an-expensive-commodity/#findComment-4151520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quneitra Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I keep hearing about how plasma weapons are supposed to be rare, but I don't think that fluff is up-to-date anymore. It seems like everyone and their pet grox has a plasma gun hidden somewhere these days! As far as I know, the only "rare" plasma weapon is the Executioner, which is supposedly produced only on Ryza, but considering that the Ryza Stormblade is being manufactured on other worlds, I wonder if the Executioner is also being produced on other forge worlds such as Mars. It'd explain the discrepancy between the Executioner's main turret and the Ryza-pattern one FW makes, at least. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312634-fluff-are-plasmas-an-expensive-commodity/#findComment-4151570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted August 20, 2015 Author Share Posted August 20, 2015 I suppose there is always some leeway. As for Mars, they have it all. If something is exclusive to X, it means being exclusive to X and Mars :D So anyway, about that colouring ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312634-fluff-are-plasmas-an-expensive-commodity/#findComment-4151572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quneitra Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 About colours - the colour of the plasma depends on the gas being used to create it and the temperature. Lightning, for example, is a plasma that sometimes appears yellowish-pale. I'm sure you can find a way to make your plasma emit a fiery colour, if you get the temperature right Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312634-fluff-are-plasmas-an-expensive-commodity/#findComment-4151576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Pick a colour that contrasts your main colour scheme nicely. Hence why I use Blue Plasma, though any colour is fair enough. Arguably Purple is the most accurate as the radiation would lean towards Ultraviolet and other high-frequency emissions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312634-fluff-are-plasmas-an-expensive-commodity/#findComment-4151611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted August 20, 2015 Author Share Posted August 20, 2015 Keep that purple one for the Pretty Marines. Pale-ish Yellow is good enough for me :D Edit: I just read up that Plasma produced with Oxigen as its gas is pale yellow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312634-fluff-are-plasmas-an-expensive-commodity/#findComment-4151635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I think I heard someone science plasma guns and claim they should be blue once, but as mentioned what suits your colour scheme is best. Physics kneels before the Rule of Cool as all things must ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312634-fluff-are-plasmas-an-expensive-commodity/#findComment-4151647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted August 20, 2015 Author Share Posted August 20, 2015 I read that the colour of Plasma depends on temperature and gas. In the upper atmosphere, lightning has a different colour than what we see. Orange and yellow is amongst them. What I read on a physics site anyway, take that for what you will. Edit: Apparently, those electric discharges are called Sprites and happen above Thunderstorms. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312634-fluff-are-plasmas-an-expensive-commodity/#findComment-4151661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quneitra Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 And there's your answer! Physics going hand in hand with rule of cool :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312634-fluff-are-plasmas-an-expensive-commodity/#findComment-4151677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUESH33P Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 The idea of yellow plasma makes me want to get an executioner - though I did paint a power sword yellow once and I kinda stuffed up the blending on it (Averland sunset doesn't seem to blend very well with white scar) :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312634-fluff-are-plasmas-an-expensive-commodity/#findComment-4152079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
morroccomole Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I have not read any books yet (but i just got "First and Only" in the mail ) BUT, from what I understand from my local group, plasma weapons are from the "Dark Age" of technology, so they 'get hot' because no one really know how to properly care for them. Do I have that right? As to their rarity, I have no idea. They are quite rare for me, however, since they only come on the command sprues Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312634-fluff-are-plasmas-an-expensive-commodity/#findComment-4152139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted August 21, 2015 Author Share Posted August 21, 2015 Heh, if GW availability is a factor, then Meltas and Grav Guns are rarer than a virgin in a maternity ward :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312634-fluff-are-plasmas-an-expensive-commodity/#findComment-4152250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emicus Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Yellow Plasma, eh? Challenge accepted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312634-fluff-are-plasmas-an-expensive-commodity/#findComment-4153044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviler Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 The vitrian regiment in gaunts ghosts novel mainly use plasma weaponry. It's part of their home world heritage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312634-fluff-are-plasmas-an-expensive-commodity/#findComment-4154727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 In pre-Heresy terms, the Ultramar Guard regiments were extremely well-equipped, with most of those posted on Macragge having reliable plasma weapons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312634-fluff-are-plasmas-an-expensive-commodity/#findComment-4155083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quneitra Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 The Tallarn favor the use of plasma weapons as much as possible, too. I wouldn't be surprised if the old fluff about plasma weapons being rare was a myth created by the AdMech to encourage troopers to venerate their plasma more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312634-fluff-are-plasmas-an-expensive-commodity/#findComment-4155553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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