Candleshoes Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 After finally slogging through Nick Kyme's Rebirth, I found a portion interesting and wondered why nobody had made mention of it. I looked in the Lexicanum and sure enough, it had been added there, and so I thought I might get your opinions. As per the article:The Draor Obelisk'On the eighteenth day of Nureg, the Guardian of Terra did alight on Draor and there was a great star-fire in the heavens as seven ships of gold descended. And, lo, did the men of Iron kneel to his will and the will of the Avenging Son. He brought his word and his bond, but it was the gift of bone the men of Iron took heed of. And so reunited with their patriarch was a pact with the men of Iron sealed and the Imperium of Man reunited. Never again would it be put asunder.’On the world of Draor, Inquisitor Kinebad, accompanied by a companion named only as 'Scar-borne', uncovered an ancient Obelisk detailing a pact made between Guilliman, Dorn and the Shattered Iron Hands legion. In return for their adherance to the nascent Codex Astartes, the Iron Hands were returned the Skull of Ferrus Manus. How exactly Guilliman and Dorn retrieved the skull is unknown. So according to Kyme's latest special Salamander release, the Iron Hands traded their loyalty to the birth of the codex, for the head of their Primarch. That being said when Dorn walked into Horus' Bridge, and came upon the bodies of the Emperor, Sanguinius, and Horus, could he also have found the head of his brother Ferrus mounted on Horus' throne? If so, it just adds insult to injury for how he must have felt, and furthers the gap between his mental state, and that of Guilliman or the other survivors. Thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312644-draor-obelisk-and-the-binding-of-the-shattered-iron-hands/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I like that actually. While obviously not fully traitor I can see the IH not wanting to, probably in thier view, service Guilliman with the Codex Astartes. They'd probably rather just attack chaos with thier own empire on Medusa and just go about robocopping themselves. But Dorn giving them the head is a great peace offering to get then to pledge to the imperials showing he cares. Cool stuff Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312644-draor-obelisk-and-the-binding-of-the-shattered-iron-hands/#findComment-4151809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegriss Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 yeah I like it Dorn for the win Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312644-draor-obelisk-and-the-binding-of-the-shattered-iron-hands/#findComment-4151821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 The Iron Hands don't conform to the Codex Astartes though? Well, not the pre-Raukaan supplement Iron Hands anyway, but they might as well be black ultramarines with a bionics fetish compared to all previous literature on the Chapter. Considering how fractured the Legion was after Isstvan, and how antagonistic the individual Clans are, I doubt this would apply to all the remnants of the Xth Legion - with a relatively high compliment of Legionaries after the Massacre, I kinda hope that they almost drove themselves to extinction during the Scouring, and the remaining fragments didn't necessarily see eye to eye. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312644-draor-obelisk-and-the-binding-of-the-shattered-iron-hands/#findComment-4151839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 The Iron Hands don't conform to the Codex Astartes though? Well, not the pre-Raukaan supplement Iron Hands anyway, but they might as well be black ultramarines with a bionics fetish compared to all previous literature on the Chapter. Considering how fractured the Legion was after Isstvan, and how antagonistic the individual Clans are, I doubt this would apply to all the remnants of the Xth Legion - with a relatively high compliment of Legionaries after the Massacre, I kinda hope that they almost drove themselves to extinction during the Scouring, and the remaining fragments didn't necessarily see eye to eye. I think it was also to do with splitting into chapters from legions, If I remember remember correctly in some of the old fluff the shattered Iron hands were strongly against it but then Guilliman came and convinced them to accept the new changes maybe giving the skull was how he convinced themHopefully we find out more Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312644-draor-obelisk-and-the-binding-of-the-shattered-iron-hands/#findComment-4151999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 So all those old stories about the mech having ferrus's head in a jar alive are retconned and the iron hands searching for it are debunked.... We need to find our primarchs head. Actually sir we did receive it 10000 years prior but it's somewhere in our massive storage facility. You know what to do then call in the storage hoarders we must quest to reclaim it from the towers of books and mountains of rubbush Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312644-draor-obelisk-and-the-binding-of-the-shattered-iron-hands/#findComment-4152004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I personally choose to ignore anything Nick Kyme adds to the background, so this could be chalked up to general "it was a time of legeeend!" stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312644-draor-obelisk-and-the-binding-of-the-shattered-iron-hands/#findComment-4152037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo13 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 So all those old stories about the mech having ferrus's head in a jar alive are retconned and the iron hands searching for it are debunked.... We need to find our primarchs head. Actually sir we did receive it 10000 years prior but it's somewhere in our massive storage facility. You know what to do then call in the storage hoarders we must quest to reclaim it from the towers of books and mountains of rubbush This is fantastic!!! Better than Kyme's theories :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312644-draor-obelisk-and-the-binding-of-the-shattered-iron-hands/#findComment-4152093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 So all those old stories about the mech having ferrus's head in a jar alive are retconned and the iron hands searching for it are debunked.... We need to find our primarchs head. Actually sir we did receive it 10000 years prior but it's somewhere in our massive storage facility. You know what to do then call in the storage hoarders we must quest to reclaim it from the towers of books and mountains of rubbush The search for some head, eh? ;) Doesn't sound at all different like college...oh the puns are real today. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312644-draor-obelisk-and-the-binding-of-the-shattered-iron-hands/#findComment-4152131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 My main gripe with this is Nick kyme... I loved scorched earth but everything else he's done for the heresy is :cuss complete total utter :cuss. It's not to say he's a bad writer but he should not have any input into the Horus heresy or even referencing it. Stick to 40k and don't do anything that involves the heresy. After the atrocity of Vulkan lives and the complete utter :cuss up of death fire I can not stand his work in our setting. Numeon is the most boring character ever and if your going to do a mythological story in a 30k (like the odyssey) get it right or don't do it at all. And especially don't bring in moustache twirling villains that lose because Salamanders. Seriously 60 Salamanders can not beat a fleet of :cussing traitors just because they scream out Vulkan lives. Death Guard board your ship no worries we only send 5 Salamanders and a Knight errant and we can defend an entire :cussing Strike barge. now you go to say that the entirety of the Iron Hands persona is redundant because they just misplaced the keys to the shed where daddy dearest skull lives. ohh and also ferrus's mannus has finger bones that can apparantly cut vulkans flesh (no necrodermis either). Let's keep the heresy dark and realistic not :cussing some teenage girls Bloody dream. rant over Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312644-draor-obelisk-and-the-binding-of-the-shattered-iron-hands/#findComment-4152160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo13 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Points above ^ I think he's mad.... (hides behind concrete barrier) Understandable though, I agree with the because there salamanders they can do it. I feel like many of the other writers have the willingness to let reality (I know it's fantasy but bear with me) take it's course and let their characters die off properly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312644-draor-obelisk-and-the-binding-of-the-shattered-iron-hands/#findComment-4152164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I kinda like death fire. Weird Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312644-draor-obelisk-and-the-binding-of-the-shattered-iron-hands/#findComment-4152308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tharand Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Generally speaking I don't have any issue with having his skull be some sort of peace offering. That doesn't mean all the various Iron Hands factions would accept it or even care about the skull. In some of the references many Iron Hands basically renounce Ferrus because he died...basically his flesh was too weak. Also, I thought Death Fire was about the same level of bad as Battle of the Abyss. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312644-draor-obelisk-and-the-binding-of-the-shattered-iron-hands/#findComment-4152745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 The thing is Battle for the abyss was at least Bolter porn and for the start of the series I can accept some mistakes... But when you reach book 32 in the main series heaps of novellas and short stories your writing should fit the established setting. Honestly since unremembered empire things have been :cuss for me in the Horus Heresy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312644-draor-obelisk-and-the-binding-of-the-shattered-iron-hands/#findComment-4152894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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